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This is the most positive development I've heard in a long time. Focusing on the capabiities of studio would be fantastic - not to mention some stability on the model side. Maybe we'll even see a richer variety of items from PAs rather than the generaltional retooling of existing pieces that happens at times.
To answer the OP's question, taking into consideration the additional info we have.
I'll likely get G9 and the morphs and likely V9 too (Please Daz release a different base first for a change.), Victoria has never been my favourite; having said that V8 is my favourite of them.
When will they arrive? No clue.
We can't speculate as we don't have enough information. G9 could be released in 2020, but who knows.
I agree to a point. I would love to see a Gen 9 this year (not going to happen) if we see significant improvements such as much better facial expressions. See below:
To me this is mandatory in the next figure. Keep in mind that Snappers Systems in not a huge company like Disney, and the rigging was done in Maya. I love their blue dot manipulaton system directly over the mesh (not off to the side on a seperate representation of the figure) It was rendered in Unreal Engine 4.
Other things such as advanced and completely accurate HD morphs to the body based upon something like being done at https://texturing.xyz is crucial for those of us desiring realism. The HD morphs I have purchased look pretty good to me so this might already be being done in all fairness, and can be done for Gen 8 without the need for a new figure. I would love to see a bit more rigging for the toes, and a re-work of the balls of the feet. Because of increased tessellation for the toes there is a transition from bigger quads to smaller ones which means splitting tri's to make quads. In SubD this causes unrealistic ripples in the balls of the feet because the quads are so close together. All I can do is go into Zbrush and try to spread the geometry a bit to relax those ripples.
I have almost 80 figures now for Gen 8 female and probably 10 for Gen 8 male plus all the content I need for these figures, I'm kind of done buying for a bit unless something really grabs me.
Things such as more realistic hair, better soft body dynamics, better more efficient collision detection with multiple objects, much faster DForce (Marvelous Designer comes to mind) that is greatly expanded in capabilities, and applying a brush to control the amount of HD morph in certain body areas vs HD morph for only the whole body are some improvements that come to mind. This is more applicable to the application (DAZ Studio) versus a new figure so I think DAZ is on the right course for delaying a new figure release and concentrating on Studio updates this year.
I am super excited and can't wait to see a new Gen 9 male and female figure line, but as long as it is a big leap forward.
As glad as I am to here there won’t be a Genesis 9 this year, I’m not gonna get my hopes up there won’t be a new base figure, we never got a genesis 4, it went straight to Genesis 8 so they could just be renaming he figure again lol. I for one am thrilled at the news, and hope there isn’t a base figure coming out :)
...unless it’s a the Cat or even a baby base figure or other animals :)
I am really hoping for Cat 8 and other animals or creatures. Definitely got enough people.
I'd like to see the addition of a Real Time Render engine like the one in Blender.
Lets be honest, for 90% of renders we simply don't need full ray tracing.
I'm BARELY using the Genesis 8 stuff I own, even though I've been pretty good about the pro bundle sales. I just like Genesis 3 better, even though Genesis 8 is supposedly better. Plus the older stuff is somewhat more cooperative when autofitting to Genesis 3 as opposed to 8, particularly shoes...
So yeah, no hurry on Genesis 9 for me. I'll probably buy Genesis 9 characters, if the associated pro bundles and sales are good, but yeah I'm not waiting with bated breath. Unless they figure out some way to reduce render times with Genesis 9 so that they are less than Genesis 3, but even then, I'm pretty heavily invested in Genesis 2 and 3 at this point, and will continue using G2 and G3 characters for a while yet.
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Genesis 8 IS the Genesis 4th generation; the numbering was changed after Genesis 3 (aka, 7th generation) to make clear that the current generation is the eighth generation of Daz bases. All the Named Bases followed that convention already. E.g., Victoria 5 is a Genesis base, Scott 6 is a Genesis 2 base, & Karen 7 is a Genesis 3 base.
I would like to see more animals updated--we only have Big Cats, Horse & Dog--and a new baby figure, preferably with morphs for several ages between Newborn & 2 years. Both Millennium Baby & Genesis Baby seem to have been pulled from the store, and the Growning Up sets only go down to about age 5, so Daz doesn't have an infant or toddler figure. Granted there's Luna, but she looks closer to 12-18 months
For me, it's the introduction of dForce that's more revolutionary than another generation - now we have a lot more "normal" daywear along with
I must confess that I've been busy with other projects for a while so I haven't done much rendering in the past couple of years... but the big changes I see with Genesis 8 is that the different official DAZ character bundles now look more unique - like different people instead of all being family relatives of Victoria & Michael - many more mature characters too, which is right up my street.(thank you all those HD sculptors out there).
As far as the clothing is concerned, I must admit that there are fewer items in the G8 bundles that grab me by the proverbials... but I think this might be the artists trying to make things that are uniqe and original rather than rehashing old designs again and again. The problem with this is that certain classic designs became classic for a reason - which is where dForce comes to the rescue - auto-fit and old product and activate dForce on the cloth sections - great stuff.
Even going through back catalogue items, it's a little surprising with all the NVIATWAS stuff that there's never actually been a proper Red Sonja armour or Princess Teegra costume (I know kit-bashing is fun, but you know what I mean).
Oh, and I finally ran out of space on my runtime drive - so I'm still buying plenty of stuff it would seem, hehehe.
This sounds like music to my ears. Genesis 8 is a fantastic figure with great capacities and it is good to use all its possibilitys before bringing out another generation on the market.
I agree about preferring Genesis 3. The "added features" for Genesis 8 really didn't deserve a full generation rename and I've generally found the G3s to be more attractive in design. Frankly, for the tiny benefits that I've seen, I really wish DAZ hadn't messed with everything so quickly and had instead kept it all in the same gen so that clothes fit across the board without issue. That said, the G8s have been great for older characters and there seem to be a lot more younger looking females as well.
I'm an email hoarder. I never delete anything. The mail introducing Genesis™ was on June 10, 2011.
Okay. I don't have old emails from Daz, so my only point of reference is the online documentation.
It might be fun for the rest of us if you can screenshot the emails introducing each generation from Genesis through Genesis 8 and post them here. I know I'd find it interesting.
I would definitely have made the announcement more prominent too, especially since the title of the thread says the opposite. My brain saw the question mark as well as the words but didn't process it - I only read this thread after reading of the announcement on another one. It was subsequently locked for being too similar, but was actually titled 'No Genesis 9' or something a lot like it. It's now sinking to the bottom of the forum, and people will be seeing only this thread and not even opening it because they've made the same assumptions that I did. Meanwhile, I'm still reading of people reining back their G8 spending because G9 will be showing in a couple of months. It seems a shame.
Hopefully @freni-kyn will see this and update the thread's title and first post to cut down on the confusion.
I've put some character creations in the closet because I was assuming G9 woud be published this year. Good to know they can run free now :D
double post DX
To say that Genesis 8 features and updates 'could have just been added to the Genesis 3' is rather short sighted, I'd say. It had key refinements that just wouldn't have worked on the previous figure (more toe bones and facial muscles made for quite a step up). In fact, Genesis 8's feet were such a step up from Genesis 3's (bones/tendons/far better textures in some cases) that at times, they could look real. I'd love to see what Genesis 9 will bring (though I appreciate DAZ's choice to strentghen what already exists and to wait for next year ~ after all, we're getting a fully loaded 3D posing program for free and the last thing I'd do is complain about the release of a new figure).
In all, I get that some people aren't ready to move on, but you wouldn't have had to had Genesis 9 released this year. Those of us who are ready for a new gen will and the two figures can (and will) co-exist. No one 'loses' anything.
Hear, hear!
I didn't say 'I was asked to wait' for anything. The point was that no one loses with the release of a new generation and saying we had no notable updates between the two latest figures is shortsighted. I even went as far as to elaborate on a point by saying "though I appreciate DAZ's choice to strengthen what already exists and to wait for next year ~ after all, we're getting a fully loaded 3D posing program for free and the last thing I'd do is complain about the release of a new figure".
It can release 5 years from now. The point is those that don't want to upgrade wouldn't 'lose' anything regardless.
That's true up to a point, but the moment a new figure comes out, most PAs drop developing new things for the previous figure in favour of redoing the basics/essentials for the new one. So for me it's kinda cool to wait and see what PAs can come with up that's new, or I-never-thought-Id-need-that-but-wow in the Gen8 figure cycle...
Genesis 3 has been supported quite nicely since the release of Genesis 8 (though admittedly, it being backwards compatible, to a degree, is mainly why). Still, a new release never forces anyone to upgrade and you can still depend on new releases for the previous figure for a good while after launch.
I would like g9 to have separate visibility toggles fir hip and pelvis, individual toe parts visible toe toggles , separate mat zone for inner nostril. A uv map that doesnt have deep v in back. Give her new toenail beds on left foot first middle and lil toe. There is something wrong with them toes which shows when using vicki 8 morph in daz's other software.
Would luke all the g9 uconic characters to have scaling separate dial please dont put scaling and fbm in only one bidy mirph dual.
would like dragon 4 face rigged. Or sell a tutorial on how to face rig.
And mebbe cinsider updating the dson bring back poser customers and carrartists. Imagine all of the back catalog all of a sydden working in poser.
plus, aren’t Poser and DAZ competitors? if so, it's possible that DAZ did this for competition reasons.
Not really, Smith Micro sell Poser and other software they did have a store but it was pretty neglected and is now part of Renderosity, Daz give Studio away and sell you content. Poser hasn't had a new version in over 2 years and it doesn't look like there will be a new version any time soon.
Just as a reminder, Daz created the DSON importer so content using their proprietary rigging tech (TriAx) could be used in Poser, and before that they had tried to work with Poser owners so that they could integrate TriAx support in Poser (which Poser owners chose not to do as they didn't want to depend on somebody else's tech, which is totally understandable even if it's too bad for customers). And before Genesis all their content was created primarily for Poser.
With G3 Daz switched to an industry standard for rigging (dual quaternions) instead of their own tech so that it was easier to transfer their content to other software. There's nothing stopping Poser owners to add support for dual quaternions rigging if they want to, it's not even proprietary tech this time. But that's not something that Daz can do via their DSON importer.