Daz 3D is part of 
Connect
DAZ Productions, Inc.
7533 S Center View Ct #4664
West Jordan, UT 84084
Licensing Agreement | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy | EULA
© 2025 Daz Productions Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Comments
I just don't see what would be the selling points to G9 without a major facelift to DAZ3d.
For hobby 2D and virtual story you don't need something that wouldn't fit into 4 or 6 gb or at tops 8gb with hair and clothing for major scenes(opening picture, chapter endings & beginnings). You need speed and stability for setting things up and doing your rendering.
For hobby 3D the interactive licence price is a nightmare, moreover the models are already highpoly. So even more highpoly models are not good. What could be wow if there would be an even more complex bone system, with skin deformation system. That might come handy for 3d game dev. But engines are giving out figures with their own bone system....
For professional gamedev, you use the figures the engine provide, improve it with zbrush, blender, substance, etc...
Highend 8-11+gb real life looking renders, okay for these you might need something even better, but there is a limit how much the base figure counts, if you don't render things in bikinis or nude, about 80-90precent of the figure is under clothing and covered by hair, so better clothing system and better hair product are needed with good lights and some Photoshop skills. G9 could come out but imao g8 HD with good hair products and clothes would be at the same level.
So investing into a few high end hairs and clothes is the way to go vs jumping on the G9 line. If someone posts a G3 in HM's clothing, Linds. hair it would beat G8 in PC+ products. (No offence to PC+, but some artists are really good specialists on their field.)
So G9 could come but how much people will invest into it will be the question of compatibility.
Personally I think many of us are just having generational burnout. While I love new toys to play with you spend 10 minutes with a new figure (essentials) and your pretty much going to know how useful it may be compared to previous generations. I think DAZ should spend more time just getting a handle on body collision stuff and muscle deformation that's actually built into the figures rather than depending on an outside artist to sell as an add on. That way it's supported from the ground up!
The ONLY reason I moved from G3 to G8 relatively quick, was because the two are similar enough in the first place. Yes, it took a little while for the G3 < - > G8 clothes converters to happen, and even longer for exchanging figures/morphs (Hoping Zev0 fixes his XTransfer soon, so he can work on his G8 -> G3 converter again), but skinshaders were easily exchangable from the moment G8 was introduced. Same with poses. The poseconverter helped, but even without it, problems when using a G3 pose on G8 were easily fixed manually anyway. G8 was really barely a necessary product, that's how similar it is to G3.
For progress, I seriously hope G9 will be way more revolutionary than G8 was. At the same time, it's fairly probable that I won't bother with it if it is as revolutionary as I hope it will be. Revolutionary products will only turn the assets I already have obsolete, and I have no interest in that either.
They've been offering a LOT of discounted gift cards and G8 bundles lately. I have this weird fear that next week they will announce G9 with some sort of incredible bundle deal and special perks hoping to woo us into getting it...
I really don't think there is anything revolutionary enough to bring on with G9 that they could not add to G8 at this moment in time. (I don't think they would do anything with motion capture of any kind)
I feel there are other areas of Daz were we need real improvements, not on the base figures. There are also so many other products that fell behind in tehnology like the animals. It would be nice to bring that up to speed instead of just progressing with the human side and letting everything else behind.
While I share reservations about moving generations, I'd like to point out that just about every comment about not wanting a new generation, starting over, still viable, etc has been made ... every time.
Was there a generation that came in that people were overwhelmingly in favor of?
Very true. And also, in the end, a new generation will have to come or we won't have progress. And since every generation lasts for a few years, I expect that sooner or later, plenty of people will switch to the new generation. I just hope they focus on something else now, since I feel there are areas of Daz that need the progress a lot more than the G8 figure.
V4 was, I think, eagerly anticipated by many people.
I'll note that with Genesis -> Genesis 2, and Genesis 2 -> Genesis 3 I shared a lot of the grumps outlined above.
But then I noticed that after the fact, I grew to appreciate the benefits of each step. So with G3-> G8 I decided to have some faith in the process, and will continue to have that attitude.
Mind you, Daz has been doing so many other new, really cool things (dForce, dForce Hair, Power Poses, among other things) and there are no indications that G9 is looming. Also, whatever pattern of releases has been true, keep in mind the 'sample size' is low (a handful of incidents over... 15 years?), and so I wouldn't rely too heavily on precedent.
I will for sure get the Genesis 9 Starter Essentials. Money being much tighter than it used to be I will likely only buy the 6 DO Body, Head, and Expression products for the G9 base gal & guy.
I say that knowning that if something unique like Edie 8 Pro Bundle, Ollie 8 Pro Bundle, Toon Dwayne Pro Bundle, Girl 8 Pro Bundle, Guy 8 Pro Bundle, Morpheus Pro Bundle, Toon Generation 8 Mega Bundle come out I will buy those, one way or another. That's pretty regardless of 'physics amazing enhanments' to DAZ Studio or the 3D modeling specifications and methods DAZ 3D uses.
I think it probably coincides with their marketing push. Cost is a huge barrier to entry for this, with a really short leap from "wow! the program is free!" to "oh, there's only so much I can do with it without content." Then you look at the prices for really cool assets and tools and even with PC+ discounts it's a fairly steep investment. It feels like the purpose of pro bundles has shifted a bit, too; there are fewer very distinct signature characters and more frequent releases of bundles that are probably guaranteed to sell well (this is not a criticism). This is just speculation but pro bundles are great if you need a lot of content to fill your library, and when I was first starting out I got caught up (and hooked) with a combo of steep discounts on older bundles combined with the intro offers on new ones.
I'm beginning to wonder whether they aren't trying to work themselves up to biting the bullet and moving on the DS 5 before they release a new figure generation.
Moving to a whole new version of Studio would break a lot of existing Plusg-ins, so they aren't likely to be looking forward to it. Maybe they'll save that up for Genesis 10.
...
...yeah, I picked up the Edie Pro Bundle (the first one that interested me since the YT 5 one) for something like 18$ and have the G8F - G3F converter so I can use all the morphs, poses, and resources I have for G3 instead of having to purchase them again for G8..
Honestly, from my perspective, me not investing *too* much in mostly gen 3/8 products, morphs etc, I can't wait for a new generation. Surely, genesis 8 could use some improvements, but as others mentioned - technology will only improve if there is a demand for it. I feel for the people who spent a lot $$ than most of us, but they will probably stay on genesis 3/8 for quite some time - or at least until converters come.
what I would like to see with genesis 9 is the ability for non PA to create HD morphs. And if needed, I'm prepared to pay a nice sum of money for this tool. I also like FaceTransfer, and while it's not perfect (yet), I hope it's going to get improved with the option to add side pictures, change textures etc, just like in Facegen and HeadShop. I like it because it's integrated in the program itself, but at this point I don't see myself buying the unlimited version.
apart from that, it would be awesome to get some sort of soft body physics/collision or skin bending. There is a program out there that uses Daz models and it uses collision physics. I haven't trued it myself, but in the videos, it seems quite realistic.
But anyway, I will wait as long as necessary for new generation to be released. I will, as always, probably buy about 50 or so females and start a rant about the lack of male content, but it's the way it is ????. Daz, I have set some money aside so I can cash out on Genesis 9. Please, release it soon and take my money for it. Can't wait for new gen!!
The part with HD morphs for everybody will not happen just because it's a new generation. If they wanted, they could just as easily release the G8 version but they don't.
Actually all they would need to do was to let people import a higher subD version of G8 as morph. It would be all that was needed for us to make our own morphs if we wanted to. That is something related to Daz itself and not to the figure. The part with FaceTransfer is something that I would also love but again, it is not related to G8 itself. They can improve upn face detection as much as they want, G8 is not limiting them at this point in no way.
Soft body physics is also something that would be awesome but it's not related to G8. just as dForce is not related to G8 itself. It is something that Daz would have to improve about the software itself.
I can understand why you would want a new generation if you didn't buy much of G3/G8. You already want something new, even something closely matching G8 maybe, but since G8 is already old and you expect G9 soon you want to invest in the new figure. This being said, I believe the new figure would need something really good that they can't do on the G8 itself to be worth it.
For example, maybe they want to do motion capture on the face, so you can take a photo or a video and they could replicate the expresions into a pose/animation. Maybe for that, except the software that needs improvement, maybe they realize the topology of the current Genesis doesn't fully support all the thing they need to do and so they create a new generation with a topology better suited for their new needs.
I am not interested in the next generation (G9), as someone pointed out already if it is mostly just poly increase to make the figures more realistic I will pass.
More poly for morph/poses/details that means I would need a better computer, I am good with Gen8 thanks.
P.S: The only thing that would interest me for Gen9 would be if it has some sort of killer app like Headshot.
I'm not too keen on upgrading until my skill & the models run into limits. When I ceased playing with DS in 2007 I was running into V3's joint limitations (particularly elbows & glutes) and came a year or two late to the party with V4. Unfortunately V4 stressed my hardware beyond its limits and I had to give up.
I re-started with DS in March 2019, and dived straight into G8. What can I say? G8 is such an advanced figure, I'm sure it'll take me years to get to the boundaries where I feel I need a G9. Soft body physics could probably be covered by a DS 4.13 adding such features to the way it handles the base figure. Possibly an update to the G8 figure essentials would be needed for this, but a G9 is far beyond what my few skills need. To be honest, I feel a real sense of achievement and wonderment when I get a dForce simulation to work and give the correct results. I still can't believe it's available on a freebie program.
Regards,
Richard
I'm interested about G9 if it has good new features, but more than that, I need a proper road map that most/some companies present for every year. I don't expect dates like February 13. we'll release this or that, but more like a normal roadmap that Q1 we plan to do this and Q2 we plan to do that. Sometimes there's problems and new features are delayed, but this secrecy where Daz only hints that something might come at some point this year or another, or something might not happen this year, is getting annoying. Can't talk about others, but at least I would appreciate a proper roadmap of what Daz is doing and what their plans really are.
Also I assume ( can't know for sure of course ) that Daz is already developing the next generation of genesis, so I'd like to read blog posts and see pics of this new figure and know what it can do. What are the new features, what are they focusing on, how far they are in developments etc... Maybe it's just me, but that seems like a great way to build up hype and get their community involved. Now everything happens behind closed doors, and nobody outside knows what they are doing. At least for me this secrecy is starting to show in sales, since I'm constantly waiting the announcement of the next figure, and don't want to invest so much in the current generation anymore.
like the Platinum Club used to get sneak peeks ...
Yeah, that's another thing I'm curious about as well. Why are the staff so quiet and out of the way? If they are more involved in the community, it's pretty hard to tell. From my personal perspective, it would do them good to be a bit more open about what they're working on and what's coming soon. It builds hype! Hype is good for business. That's one of the things that I enjoy about other devs like Allegorithmic, SideFX, The Blender Foundation, Pixologic, etc. They're really open with their community when it comes to development, and they always give us something to look forward to in future releases of their products.
It's common practice these days, so why is Daz Productions so silent and out of reach?
Those companies sell software and rely on shiny new features to to keep the cash flowing. Announcing future features helps with that. Daz doesn't sell software, they sell content. Announcing a new Genesis figure long before it comes out just wouldn't really help with anything. In fact it may just result in people stopping to buy the current gen stuff in anticipation. Potentially same with other features that are tied to content.
I was strictly Poser until G3 came out, I had no interest in Genesis or G2 or DS for that matter until I saw V7 and IRay... So if it wasn't for G3, I'd still be using Poser and V4...
Fair point.
I can't see buying any more content. Right now I can't easily handle the content I do have. That won't change until I can afford to buy a customized PC in order to have the most efficient use of iRay, etc. I'm retired, and don't have 1 or 2 Thousand dollars to spend.
I'm sure when Gen 9 came out, there'll be new people who discover Daz and start picking them up. I started Daz basically when Charlotte 8 came out so I've only actually bought Gen 8 figures, but I have a lot of Gen 3 figures from the free bundles when they were giving two away with the purchase of a Gen 8 bundle, but I never really utilize those characters because I can't use them in the powerpose tool like I can in Gen 8, the bones don't move the same and I don't care to use the sliders for broad strokes. So surely there's going to be something to make Gen 9 better, even if slightly, for new people, but not enough for someone like myself to dive right in because things work for the most part how I want them to.
Plus, I've discovered I enjoy doing more anime style renders, so until there's a Kanade/Yuzuru, Sakura, Girl 9/Guy 9, or the next toon generation, I won't have any use. But when anime style characters come out, I'll definitely pick them up and give them a whirl to see how they fare.
Well G9 probably should increase the poly count so that products like Face Gen Artist Pro don't have to delete details, games are getting higher & higher poly counts anyway so that's not the issue it was in the past, but outside of that I'm interested to see what improvements the DAZ can make to G9.
This might sound off-topic but has anyone noticed a significant slow-down in product releases in the store as of late? I feel like G9 is around the corner.
i hope they beta testing g9 in carrara.
g8f has a bug around the lefft toe nail beds. they left verts out of her actor group.
also some of the internal ids, don't match the node names, the tongue parts start base, 01, 02, but then it goes 01,02,03. node can't find the joint
I haven't noticed a slowdown at all, except the usual gap in release fireworks that tends to happen between major sales. A month or so ago some people thought G9 might be out first week of January because there was too much new product, like new core figures every week (which I think only happened once, so I think that was just to coincide with specific sales).