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..well to a point. Daz has been losing sales with me, and thus I've been inadvertently saving a lot of money because just about everything is dForce and there is no indication if it would also work as conforming unless you post a thread asking about it here or just put the money down hoping it works (and then having to write another support ticket for a refund when it doesn't). Working on older hardware, dForce is a serious resource hog.
Back in the day most clothing for Poser was conforming not dynamic but Daz seems to have gone the other way with conforming seeming to be the exception instead of the rule.
Kk: that's absolutely untrue. ALL dForce clothes are conforming, at least on Daz store.
While they're all conforming (if you don't count items like cloaks or ponchis), some of them mention on the product page that they really need dForce to work properly. But most will work fine as a conforming item.
The sets of scarves and ponchos and capes that is under IDG Designs are dynamic rigged props though, textured to look like clothing, and not wearable conforming clothing. We did that on purpose so it could be used on any figure. The point still holds that Daz expects clothing created for a figure to be conforming and work without dForce. There may still be the odd exception, but they are rare.
Will you be buying it?
Considering I've spent $147 USD on Kpop Signed Albums....YES!
I've also found that a lot of dForce clothes have many more morphs than their non-dForce predecesors.
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https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/210021/new-clothing-still-looks-like-stiff-tubes
Good for you, even I knowing modelling and other 3D skills I prefer buying when you have a budget and a client's deadline to cover.
3D for me is not a hobby but a secondary income.
Absolutely correct! And so are Bryce users and Hexagon users!
I am passing up all sales on Genesis 8 until one of these comes true:
Not because I don't like the PAs; no not at all. I love the PAs, they are the glue that keeps all "this" together. But I can't buy anything unless and until we start seeing updates for all of their products, starting with at least one of them. Pick one! Any one! Until then, my valuation of DAZ products will be lower than the current Genesis 8 sale prices.
I'm sorry, but I have my dignity; it's the first thing I acquired when I learned how to use the potty and tie my shoes. I've grown fond of it over the years and I'm pretty sure it will be the last thing I lose when I'm ready for the home.
Oooh, Kpop Albums; okay I give up my dignity. Just send me to the home right now. Dignity is overrated anyway!
You have customers who "demand"? Sheesh, what do they think they are...customers or something?
My scheme is different and it pays my bills in the process and some caramel machiatto coffee on Starbucks
If Genesis9 would cost $199 USD, I will buy it because:
I would charge 350-500 USD for my work involving Character Design, involving costs of Licences for gaming included.
so, for me, Pro Bundles and licenseing gets paid "in the go". maybe more slow than you can model cloth but works for me.
The same I said to EMS parcel service...not going until Feb 17 because the albums are artist signed (autographed)
btw WHERE IS AIKO8!?? I DEMAND!
Eh, here?
https://www.daz3d.com/catalog/product/view/id/049969
My mistake, I was asking for Aiko9,
A8 is already in my runtime since her release.
I think G9 will release in june or july .
Kyoto,
I saw you'd mentioned the cost of upgrading to Gen 8. This was why I spoke of getting into it during the fall sale at the time. Now it's March Madness. Yesterday I got two g8 figures and clothes for free under a PC coupon for free DAZ Originals. It will be expensive to get to a useful point. My point was to build it little by little at sales.
But if you don't need it. Ok. I understand the dForce thing 100%.
I agree with Silvergraf. There's no shame in buying. I want to have as full of a library as I can. It'd be nice to make shirts and stuff. I focus my touch more on the people I create. I have a ton of morph packs and hundreds of character sets. The Gen 8 collection, which I once only bought for a few times a year, now has over 114 female characters alone. Almost all were picked up for 50% off or more, including fast grab and PC picks.
I still use v4 and g2, g3 is my mainstay. It's just nice to have a solid library for 8. This way I can add whatever new concepts are released in that generation's products to my creations. The other thing is that auto fit has been working better with g8 and even g3. Some of these people speaking of autofit issues are probably thinking of g2 or maybe older g3 issues. Of course Genesis and v4 had major autofit and poke through issues. It happens with newer g3 and g8 but not often. Maybe particular artists have more autofit issues than others in the way they design items. Most items can also be expanded to fit and cover poke through.
I agree with that, and i don't think theer has been enough diversaty in the clothing products, they just seem to have been re vamp hash from pevious models and clothing.
I don't doubt it at all. June is when new figures generally release, so that's a good prediction.
June 2020 is probably as good a guess as June 2025.
Except it isn't. One is far more likely to happen than the other.
I could be wrong, but I think we're already starting to see what would be G9 functionality in more recent G8 offerings, with increasing reliance on d-force, increased use of strand hair, more hd textures, etc. It's possible G9 is a mirage. A figure marked G9 will eventually appear. That's the nature of technology, but hard to say what technological improvements would be offered. I guess we'll find out.
None of those suggest any new technology that could be used for G9.
DForce applies to physical draping and gravity, rather useful for clothing yet barely useful for figures.
Strand hair applies to hair, hair is not part of the figure technology.
HD Technology applies to the surfaces and textures, not to the figure technology by itself. Sure, Daz could design to overhaul the figures' topology, but, that would have no effect on the HD technology itself, it'd still be the same HD Technology, applied in exactly the same manner, only the shape of the output would be different. They better have a darn good excuse if they decide to overhaul the topology.
The one thing we see more lately that could be useful if standardized within a figure, but which already existed during G3 as well, would be pressure-morphs for clothing and such. At the same time, I don't expect such a feature to be automated and incorperated into the standard body in a useful manner for several years to come. But *if* added in some automated manner, it will probably be a HD feature, because a HD body has way more vertices to respond to pressure, allowing for more as well as more precise results.
If daz machine and software licensee are located only in their office then june o july 2021
Daz is working remotely but there have still been new DS builds appearing in the change log, I would imagine they would also be able to work on a figure should that be something they are currently actively doing.
Exactly.
Better eye geometry
Hire DMaster to design G9 facial expression
Hire DMaster to design the bend controls and HD creases
Hire bluejaunte to design G9's skin shader, ideally implement new SSS
I wouldn't mind but I guess from the many forum posts it seems there is a market for this: if you have bluejaunte on board anyway, let bluejaunte design G9's feet
Something like this, doesn't even need to re-invent everything that G8 did well.
Fast grab today is mostly G8 Pro bundles. We've had a ton of sales where G8 pro bundles have been dirt cheap the last few weeks. This new character today has an Ophelia 7 feel to her. Genesis/Victoria 8 came out around June 15, 2017.
Just saying...