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There are always going to be things that will need to be edited post export. Adding thickness to the mesh for example so the cloth looks more realistic, adding hard surfaces and other such items. Making morphs and other adjustments to the mesh. Editing meshes together. etc.
I'd say Marvelous Designer gets you 90% of the way towards a finished outfit but that remaining 10% that really makes the outfit pop will need to be done post export in modelling software. A quad mesh will not only give a cleaner subdivision but will make that post export editing so much easier.
As for the subdivision problems.
You can see the "quilting" effect of the subdivided tri mesh on the shoulders here. Depending on the angle of view and lighting the effect becomes more pronounced. That effect would not be present with a proper quad mesh.
I've had not problem either with importing except I can't get the images (fabric or textures) to import into daz.
...that is interesting, however the feature that attracted me to MD was the fact it works from a P.O.V. I more readily understand - actually cutting fabric, pinning and sewing clothing.
I know about Sub_D and tris, Applied it to a model recently which apparently has some tries in it's mesh at the corners and the map distorted in those regions actually showing where the tris were.
Another attraction is MD actually lets me create dynamic cloth simulation for my own designs rather than being limited to whatever Optitex releases. So, rigging is not an issue. True having to pre-pose the figure, drape the clothing properly then re-import into Daz requires a few extra steps, but building the base mesh is so much more intuitive than having to do it in a conventional modelling programme.
Now I didn't get the chance to check out the beta so not sure if some of these issues like thickness and mesh composition were addressed.
Don't take me wrong. I really like the MD software and how you can use patterns to make clothing. I often scan old homemade doll patterns my Mom made then import them into MD to make new patterns.
Personally, I'm not happy with the company because they tried to release the MD3 while totally releasing a new web site meaning that during the beta testing the forum was not working half the time. It has been nearly impossible to answers. To make it worse, they pulled all the old tutors and forums. But my biggest peeve is that company is saying they will not longer support MD2 which after spending 700.00, upsets me.
MD is a great software concept and I use it nearly daily. However I think the company needs to rethink it business plan.
I appreciate the illustrations you created and posted, they're great! I don't exactly remember, but I think I read somewhere that the mesh for dynamic clothing should be random triangles because when the fabric drapes - especially in tight folds - that quads give a jagged hard edge, whereas the random triangles won't.
I've attached a DAZ promotional image for Angelic Dynamic Gown for V4 Poser Version http://www.daz3d.com/angelic-dynamic-gown-for-v4-poser-version
Take a look at the bent elbow on the left of the image, and the folds in the wrinkles on that sleeve, and also at the tops of the pleats in the skirt. That's atrocious. I find it hard to believe that DAZ okayed that for sale.
The beneficial side of MD meshes in DS (at least) is that they usually look good enough without any subd at all.
We have prices for MD3 http://www.marvelousdesigner.com/marvelousdesigner/pricing/ The monthly rates aren't too bad but I have to read up on difference in basic and advance. Standalone prices are way to high for me.
Thought I'd let you all know.
Maybe if I was into dynamic clothing, but for me, those prices aren't reasonable at all, so I'm not sorry I uninstalled MD3 after the Beta license expired.
I hate subscription based anything. This is why I dropped WOW. It puts me under too much pressure to "use" the software to what I feel is an acceptable level to be getting my money's worth. $400 for the perpetual use version is way too expensive. At $200 I was on the fence. Given how the company has screwed over their MD2 users (each upgrade revokes your rights to use older versions of the software, no quads as promised, etc) I just can't trust them not to screw me over if I purchase their software too.
Eventually there will be an open source alternative. I will await that.
...looks like I will be sticking with ver 2. The Personal Licence upgrade will cost twice what I paid for the original (and like you Ghastly, not into software by subscription).
The fact that they did away with the Small Business Licence is also a blow to content creators for the Hobbyist'/Enthusiast' market for now to make clothing meshes for commercial purposes, the only option is the Enterprise Licence which costs about as much as 3DS. Definitely places this in the diminishing returns category.
Bugger, and I still feel it is such a nice concept for clothing design compared to using a standard modelling app.
I bailed out of computer graphics in the 80s because it dealt more with math and compiling than with creativity. Since then, both 2D and 3D apps have become much more intuitive from an artist's P.O.V.. Unfortunately looks like for that to happen (and be affordable) with 3D clothing creation, we still have a long way to go.
Guess it's back to hoping Daz and Optitex get something worked out so we can at least have open dynamics by Studio5, and maybe as Ghasly mentions, some enterprising souls will develop an open source clothing creation app along similar lines as MD or the other fashion CAD programmes.
From what I understand the personal is actually the new Small Business License and there is no personal license. I guess there's another page with the small print that says this. For me, I probably use the 50% coupon on the My Page at MD and get a year half price then that will give me a year to see what else comes down the pipe line. For right now I'm waiting till I can get more information.
...so basically those of us with a Personal licence were hosed.
I have no intention of marketing content, heck I don't even know how to go about packaging and promoting it. I just purchased my licence so I could make normal everyday clothing for my characters that Is almost impossible to find in 3D stores because it isn't 'sexy" enough.
Speaking of making clothes. Whatever happened to Virtual Fashion Pro. Looks like it was the big dynamic clothes making software in 2006 but now all traces of it and the company that made it are gone from the internet. Did they go bankrupt or evolve into another company?
I sell MD patterns and make clothing obj starter kits so I have a real need for MD. Just yesterday I picked up a large custom order from my starter kit store which should bring me a good return.
I sell MD patterns and make clothing obj starter kits so I have a real need for MD. Just yesterday I picked up a large custom order from my starter kit store which should bring me a good return.
When you upgrade to MD3 it invalidates your MD2 license so you cannot use MD2 and MD3, meaning unless you upgrade to MD3 Advanced license you will lose features you currently have in MD2.
Do you know if this invalidation is a "gentleman's agreement" as in "please stop using MD2" or do they actually deactivate your ability to run MD2 when you install MD3.
...well got the email today, and it mentions that the Personal Licence can now be used to create commercial products. OK so that makes sense as to why the Small Business Licence is no more.
However, I am wondering is the 50% off based on the Full List or "Major Upgrade" price for the Perpetual Licence? Can't afford 275$ for the Advanced version and certainly not going to spend 200$ to get less than I currently have.
I'm really wishing I had purchased MD2. It has more features than MD3 basic and it was half the price. So much sad. :long:
...maybe not.
Went to fire it up this morning and I get a popup titled "Licence Manager" which has my logon to the MD site. and two buttons: "Activate" and "Cancel" as well as a tick box for 'Auto Deactivation" and one for "Use Proxy Server".
Didn't do this the other day. Looks like a "time bomb" was triggered somehow.
Not exactly sure what to do here. Anyone else with MD2 get this and if so, what needs to be done?
Wow... if they actually force deactivate all the MD2 users then they may well go down as one of the douchiest of companies.
Something tells me the whole Hobbit thing has gone to their head and they now think they're an Autodesk tier company.
I just checked my MD2... didn't happen, but..... That is usually the popup that occurs when you had de-activated at the last time you used it. If you were using the MD3beta, as well as MD2, you had to switch between which one was 'active' . Could this have been the case?
...never even got to install the beta not much less use it. When I installed the latest version of MD2 everything worked fine. Today was the first time I saw the prompt.
Considering what I read about licences for MD2 being deactivated, it definitely had me worried when the popup appeared.
Kyoto Kid: Do try to click on the Activate and see if you can run MD2 okay... let me know, please?
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Licenses for MD2 are not being deactivated willy-nilly, as far as I have heard. It is still okay to use it .. they said so.
The only thing that 'seems' like a forced deactivation of a 'license' is some odd wording in the license for MD3, which says that if you upgrade to a newer version (supposedly MD4, or later number when they arrive) that earlier versions will be void. (Section 4 of the license agreement, IIRC. http://www.marvelousdesigner.com/footer/license.aspx )
So, if you don't want to upgrade, then don't, and continue to use MD2. This may send the message that MD3 just doesn't cut it as a good enough 'upgrade'.
A lot of users seem to be deciding on this approach. Especially with the odd pricing structure and little explanation so far of what is in store for the subscription/'perpetual' license system.
(I'm still on the fence myself.... I use MD A LOT! now, and while MD3 didn't gain much ground, and lost ground in some other things, there were a couple of nice new things that I enjoyed. But MD2 still seems the best bet for my production needs... *waffle*, *waffle*, looks through wallet/bank account....hmmmmm)
...got two error messages, then realised I had changed my password since (forgot what the original was). When I put in the new PW it opened up fine. So as long as you don't upgrade, MD2 does still work.
The only advantage I see to upgrading is if I decide to sell content created with MD as they now allow commercial sales with what was the Personal licence. Basically it would be like getting the "Small Business" licence for less than it originally cost.
However reading the terms seemed a bit confusing as in one part it says you can sell your creations anywhere then it later it goes on to say only at the MD store.
Still not clear to what price of the Perpetual Licence the 50% coupon applies to. Is it the Full Retail or the Upgrade? If it's 50% off the upgrade price than it would be a deal even for the advanced version (137.49$). If the upgrade price listed includes the 50% off coupon then it looks like a miss as I purchased my MD2 Personal Licence during the introductory sale for 99$.
Off topic reply but will they support a daz feature if we pay for it through subscriptions of support and maintenance?
They are selling maintenance and support packages through other sites for the MD3 which doesnt make sense... I have been on the MD site trying to find people that understand what it is but no one has responded. It is weird.. does buying the perpetual mean they are charging for support subscription?
That is a scary position because just how no one can find the right people to complain to about features they have not put in the software we also wonder if they are selling us a blank card. That is so crazy...
This part of the license seems to have been dropped in the last day or so... wonder if the uproar has made them think again..
To be honest the way this company has been handling things makes me seriously wonder if they'll even be around in 6 months. It might actually end up being the best thing for their users if another company purchased them.
..like Daz?
I also got that e-mail and it looks like you can sell the 3d models created in MD3 only at
www.MarvelousDesigner.com
so it is similar to the personal license of MD2.
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excerpt from the e-mail:
- 3D Data Sales: Licensee may distribute his/her own 3D works created in Software and their 3D derivatives for non-commercial purpose.
Licensee may sell his/her own 3D works and their 3D derivatives solely in www.MarvelousDesigner.com.
- 2D Data Sales: Licensee may distribute or sell any 2D images and 2D animations derived from his/her original works.
I also got that e-mail and it looks like you can sell the 3d models created in MD3 only at
www.MarvelousDesigner.com
so it is similar to the personal license of MD2.
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excerpt from the e-mail:
- 3D Data Sales: Licensee may distribute his/her own 3D works created in Software and their 3D derivatives for non-commercial purpose.
Licensee may sell his/her own 3D works and their 3D derivatives solely in www.MarvelousDesigner.com.
- 2D Data Sales: Licensee may distribute or sell any 2D images and 2D animations derived from his/her original works.
The excerpt from the email was removed for the terms. That is what MD is saying on the MD forum.