Marvelous Designer 2???

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,249
    edited December 1969

    lms501 said:
    Kyoto Kid said:

    The fact they dropped the Small Business licence is also a blow to 3D content creators for the only commercial rights one has with the personal licence is selling though their site. To get the rights to sell patterns/designs on your own or though another broker will cost 2,999$ for an Enterprise Licence (one node).
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    Not sure this is correct. The Personal license wording states quite categorically:

    Licensee may sell or distribute its original works and their derivatives in any file formats and Licensor acknowledges that it has no right, title, or interest in and to any such original works and their derivates.

    They've removed the wording relating to selling on their website.
    ...so my question then is who in their right mind would shell out nearly 3,000$ or (5,000$ for the network version) for an Enterprise licence if both allow the user to sell their creations?

    Something still just doesn't seem to fit here.

  • ghastlycomicghastlycomic Posts: 2,531
    edited December 1969

    Kyoto Kid said:
    lms501 said:
    Kyoto Kid said:

    The fact they dropped the Small Business licence is also a blow to 3D content creators for the only commercial rights one has with the personal licence is selling though their site. To get the rights to sell patterns/designs on your own or though another broker will cost 2,999$ for an Enterprise Licence (one node).
    .

    Not sure this is correct. The Personal license wording states quite categorically:

    Licensee may sell or distribute its original works and their derivatives in any file formats and Licensor acknowledges that it has no right, title, or interest in and to any such original works and their derivates.

    They've removed the wording relating to selling on their website.


    ...so my question then is who in their right mind would shell out nearly 3,000$ or (5,000$ for the network version) for an Enterprise licence if both allow the user to sell their creations?

    Something still just doesn't seem to fit here.

    I think the Enterprise version is the one that doesn't need to be online to work.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,249
    edited December 1969

    ...well, they don't actually give the details up front. You have to ask them about the conditions privately. Very much in line with most other unaffordable high end software developers.

    The other thing is you need a separate licence for each workstation. At 3,000$ each, that is a bigger investment per workstation than Optitex's 3D Designer Suite (based on a minimum ten node setup) for a programme that doesn't have nearly the same features.

  • j cadej cade Posts: 2,310
    edited December 1969

    Someone asked for cheap alternatives... there was this: http://www.blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?258004-Patch-for-Sewing-Clothes-in-blender . Unfortunately it appears to have stopped being updated. Anyone friends with some coders? on the other hand, I think if you're really desperate (like me) you can just use blender (or probably any modeler with cloth simulation) to imitate sewing cloth.

    It is not nearly intuitive as a more focused app, like MD or Optitex, and there are a lot fewer cloth settings, but hey, Its Free! what have you got to lose.

    Underneath should hopefully load a very basic and unimpressive proof of concept. I'll see if I can create something better in the next few days.

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  • dylazunadylazuna Posts: 19
    edited December 1969

    Kyoto Kid said:

    ...so my question then is who in their right mind would shell out nearly 3,000$ or (5,000$ for the network version) for an Enterprise licence if both allow the user to sell their creations?

    Something still just doesn't seem to fit here.

    A personal license can only be held by an individual.
    An enterprise license is for a company or government body

    (1) “Personal License” is a named-user license which restricts the use of the software to the person who purchased that license. The license allows for installation of the software on different computers (at work and/or at home), provided that multiple instances of the software will not be used at the same time. A Personal License is not available to a company or an individual who expects reimbursement of the license fee from a company. A Personal License is property of an individual who have purchased it using his/her own funds and should be limited to only one per each individual. Transfer of a personal license to a company or other individuals is prohibited by this License Agreement. Personal License is categorized into two products, Basic and Advanced. Advanced Personal License includes several more features compared to Basic License as notified on the website. The pricing is different for each License. Licensee may sell or distribute its original works and their derivatives in any file formats and Licensor acknowledges that it has no right, title, or interest in and to any such original works and their derivates. The usage is prohibited in companies, government organizations and educational organizations. (2) “Enterprise Licenses” are available to legal entities, including, government organizations and educational organizations. Enterprise Licenses that are registered in a legal entity name allow for use of the software on any computer, operating system, and by any employees within a legal entity, provided that the total number of concurrent users never exceeds the number of purchased licenses. Licensee may sell or distribute its original works and their derivatives in any file formats and Licensor acknowledges that it has no right, title, or interest in and to any such original works and their derivates. (3) “Trial License” is granted to use the Software for evaluation purposes without charge for specified period. Licensee's use of the Software shall be limited to the internal evaluation of the Software for the sole purpose of determining whether the Software meets Licensee's requirements and whether Licensee desires to continue use of the Software. Except as expressly permitted in this License, you may not decompile, reverse engineer, disassemble, modify, rent, lease, loan, sublicense, distribute or create derivative works based upon the Software including user interface in whole or part. The Software is licensed to You as a single product and its components may not be separated for installation access or distribution on more than one Computer.

    The license agreement link is on their website at the bottom of the page http://www.marvelousdesigner.com/footer/license.aspx

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,249
    edited December 1969

    ..I read through this several times and still find it somewhat vague. According to the description, the Enterprise Licence offers the exact same features (including rights to sales of creations made with the software) of the Advanced Perpetual Personal Licence but at an extra cost of over 2,400$.. For what, just the fact it is a company's rather than individual person's name is attached to the licence? It doesn't grant installation and simultaneous use on multiple workstations (I would expect the network version does however) as it states "Per Licence" That's pretty steep for basically the same software one can purchase for just over 500$. If a design/production firm has three or more workstations, they'd be better off purchasing the Professional CLO3D suite.

    Returning the proposal I found by a university for purchase of Optitex's 3D Designer for ten workstations (the minimum).Per workstation 3D Designer comes to about 1,800$. compared to 2.999$ for each MD Enterprise licence. That would have cost them almost 30,000$ for the same number of stations (just for the software alone), which is almost 7,000$ more than the entire software, hardware, setup, and training package they ordered through Optitex. Where is the advantage in that, especially since 3D designer is a more "comprehensive" software suite like I mentioned earlier?

    Considering the changes CLO has been making to their requirements and conditions in the last few weeks, things are still in too much of flux state for me to plunk down my zlotys even if I had the 274$ to upgrade to the MD3 Advanced Perpetual Licence.

    Now if, like it originally was, a Personal Licence holder could only use it to create freebies and sell through the MD/CLO store exclusively, then the higher price for the Enterprise Licence would make more sense. Right now it doesn't. This is why I don't feel things are totally on the level yet.

  • ghastlycomicghastlycomic Posts: 2,531
    edited August 2013

    I've still been trying to find out what happened to Virtual Fashion Pro. I've downloaded the v1.0 demo and played with it but I can find nowhere to buy the actual version of the software. It's like the company has completely disappeared off the face of the earth. Even other software made by the company, Reyes Infographica, seem to have disappeared.

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,249
    edited August 2013

    ...If they came out with a non-commercial licence dor the Advanced version that only allowed for personal use and freebie distribution (like the original Personal licence was) and it was at an affordable upgrade/sidegrade price I would reconsider.

    It would also need to be a perpetual licence.

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  • PieHeadPieHead Posts: 5
    edited December 1969

    Is it possible to export a CLOTHED genesis figure in obj format from DAZ to Marvellous Designer, then work on the clothes there, then export everything back out of Marvelous Designer to wherever?

  • dylazunadylazuna Posts: 19
    edited April 2014

    PieHead said:
    Is it possible to export a CLOTHED genesis figure in obj format from DAZ to Marvellous Designer, then work on the clothes there, then export everything back out of Marvelous Designer to wherever?

    You can export a clothed figure if you want the MD clothing to sit on top of the garments. You won't be able to work on the DAZ clothes as they will just be part of the exported obj. You can then export your created MD garments to DAZ and they will 'fit' your clothed figure in DAZ or you can export everything from MD as a single object if you want to use it elsewhere.

    Hope this helps.

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  • icprncssicprncss Posts: 3,694
    edited December 1969

    I've still been trying to find out what happened to Virtual Fashion Pro. I've downloaded the v1.0 demo and played with it but I can find nowhere to buy the actual version of the software. It's like the company has completely disappeared off the face of the earth. Even other software made by the company, Reyes Infographica, seem to have disappeared.

    Reyes Inforgaphica is dead and gone along with their assets. I purchased it when eFrontiers still owned CP and they had Passport. App was buggy and unstable. Support was non-existent. I think I uninstalled it around the time P7 was released.

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    edited December 1969

    hmmm. was thinking, wouldn't it be nice if carrara modeling had tools to make dyn ds clothes, or the hexagon even

  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,782
    edited December 1969

    hmmm. was thinking, wouldn't it be nice if carrara modeling had tools to make dyn ds clothes, or the hexagon even

    Here i was thinking, would get great if DS actually had a proper dynamic engine and not one that is proprietary.

  • Midnight_storiesMidnight_stories Posts: 4,112
    edited December 1969

    lms501 said:
    Kyoto Kid said:

    ...so my question then is who in their right mind would shell out nearly 3,000$ or (5,000$ for the network version) for an Enterprise licence if both allow the user to sell their creations?

    Something still just doesn't seem to fit here.

    A personal license can only be held by an individual.
    An enterprise license is for a company or government body

    (1) “Personal License” is a named-user license which restricts the use of the software to the person who purchased that license. The license allows for installation of the software on different computers (at work and/or at home), provided that multiple instances of the software will not be used at the same time. A Personal License is not available to a company or an individual who expects reimbursement of the license fee from a company. A Personal License is property of an individual who have purchased it using his/her own funds and should be limited to only one per each individual. Transfer of a personal license to a company or other individuals is prohibited by this License Agreement. Personal License is categorized into two products, Basic and Advanced. Advanced Personal License includes several more features compared to Basic License as notified on the website. The pricing is different for each License. Licensee may sell or distribute its original works and their derivatives in any file formats and Licensor acknowledges that it has no right, title, or interest in and to any such original works and their derivates. The usage is prohibited in companies, government organizations and educational organizations. (2) “Enterprise Licenses” are available to legal entities, including, government organizations and educational organizations. Enterprise Licenses that are registered in a legal entity name allow for use of the software on any computer, operating system, and by any employees within a legal entity, provided that the total number of concurrent users never exceeds the number of purchased licenses. Licensee may sell or distribute its original works and their derivatives in any file formats and Licensor acknowledges that it has no right, title, or interest in and to any such original works and their derivates. (3) “Trial License” is granted to use the Software for evaluation purposes without charge for specified period. Licensee's use of the Software shall be limited to the internal evaluation of the Software for the sole purpose of determining whether the Software meets Licensee's requirements and whether Licensee desires to continue use of the Software. Except as expressly permitted in this License, you may not decompile, reverse engineer, disassemble, modify, rent, lease, loan, sublicense, distribute or create derivative works based upon the Software including user interface in whole or part. The Software is licensed to You as a single product and its components may not be separated for installation access or distribution on more than one Computer.

    The license agreement link is on their website at the bottom of the page http://www.marvelousdesigner.com/footer/license.aspx
    I actually was looking at buying this software but seeing this agreement these guys have shot them self in the foot. I looked some of the other terms which totally contravene common law. So I defiantly won't be getting this it's useless to a vendor. Thanks for pointing this out !!!

  • edited December 1969

    There are - well, to me, anyway - two aspects to MD: the create-clothing-from-a-pattern aspect (of almost nil significance to me, since I don't sew much these days) and the mesh it generates. The latter is the by-far-more-compelling aspect: I create dynamic cloth for Poser, and delaunay mesh just deforms so much more naturally than quad- or conventional tri-based mesh.

    As pretty-much everyone on this thread have noted, it appears that the MD people have thrown non-corporate software users under the bus. Clo3D is in the same ballpark: they don't even publish prices on their site. Seems a bit like what the disgustingly wealthy used to say - with a haughty sniff - about yachts of yesteryear: "if you have to ask, you can't afford it." :roll:

    So, what do we battlers do, then?

    Come up with an Open-Source solution, of course. :cheese:

    I'm pretty comfortable in Blender. I know, not everyone's cup of tea, but the newest version is a LOT more user-friendly. You can still do the hotkey thing, but there's a lot more visual cues on accomplishing tasks, including tabs and context-sensitive help. And it's getting better all the time. Oh, and it's free.

    So, the attached is a render of Pixeluna's Lavinia wearing skirt created in quads and converted to delaunay mesh with the Decimate modifier. The top is Vyktohria's t-shirt, still in quads. Not bad, but I reckon converting it to delaunay would make it deform better.

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