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gwba01936gwba01936 Posts: 0
edited December 1969 in The Commons

Hi
Can anyone tell me which 3d printers can print from Poser output (or Studio)
George

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  • SylvanSylvan Posts: 2,718
    edited December 1969

    For Daz none, because their EULA forbids 3D printing for now.

  • ShaneWSmithShaneWSmith Posts: 636
    edited December 1969

    Before the clarification of the EULA, I looked into this a little bit, and discovered that most figures with clothing would create a model that is NOT a closed mesh, and therefore could not be printed. Much work (well beyond my pathetic skill level) would be needed to make it compatible with a 3D printer.

  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,313
    edited November 2013

    Edit: Nevermind. We've had this discussion so many times it isn't even funny

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  • nobody1954nobody1954 Posts: 933
    edited December 1969

    Frank0314 said:
    Edit: Nevermind. We've had this discussion so many times it isn't even funny

    As 3D printing get cheaper, expect even more.

  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,313
    edited December 1969

    Well the EULA states quite clearly that no 3D printing without a 3D printing license which isn't available yet. Yet less we have this discussion almost weekly and people insisting they can.

  • MarcCCTxMarcCCTx Posts: 926
    edited December 1969

    Besides if you're using your home printer for personal use, the EULA wouldn't apply. When the tech get's cheap enough, I want to print my own RPG figures. (It's not there yet!)

  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,613
    edited December 1969

    MarcCCTx said:
    Besides if you're using your home printer for personal use, the EULA wouldn't apply. When the tech get's cheap enough, I want to print my own RPG figures. (It's not there yet!)

    Technically no, as rights not explicitly granted by the EULA are reserved to DAZ 3D and/or the PA.

  • polmearpolmear Posts: 33
    edited December 1969

    If you're looking to print 3rd party commercial models like the ones you purchase from DAZ, then sure, the EULAs are a limiting factor.
    If you're looking to print open source, public domain, print licensed or your own creations then that would be different.

    So long as you can get a clean, watertight model, I would imagine any currently available 3D printer would do the job, with more or less success.
    But if you are trying to print a rigged character you have to be careful to export the model so there are no holes in the mesh, otherwise your slicing program might choke when you generate the G code.

    I wouldn't bother with trying to print models that have been in Poser/Studio. I create my models in Hexagon and transition into the print workflow from there.

  • MarcCCTxMarcCCTx Posts: 926
    edited December 1969

    I wonder if there'll be a market for closed polygon clothes and accessories (either from DAZ or someone else with a personal use EULA, maybe special EULA for printable clothes/figures)?

    Something like shirt, pants skirts with the cuffs filled in, so that you could just 3print without the current drama. I think you could even make those ends transparent so they render correctly, as long as the obj files are closed. It might cause collission errors with the current software, but that could be fixed (new shading properties- collideable, and printable?)

    It's still a few years away, but something to think about.

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,673
    edited December 1969

    Frank0314 said:
    Well the EULA states quite clearly that no 3D printing without a 3D printing license which isn't available yet. Yet less we have this discussion almost weekly and people insisting they can.

    Well, of course they can, they just shouldn't. 8-o

  • MarcCCTxMarcCCTx Posts: 926
    edited December 1969

    Yet less we have this discussion almost weekly and people insisting they can.

    that's because despite the fact it's not feasable yet -- we (or people like us) are taking steps to make this usable. The technology exists but pointing it towards a goal is what we're doing.

  • Subtropic PixelSubtropic Pixel Posts: 2,388
    edited December 1969

    Okay, if 3D printing is not EULA'd yet, then DAZ needs to be working on an equitable EULA and maybe not so much on complicated rule-bound sales.

    And do it before people start figuring out "other ways", including just doing it like one would use a regular printer to print 2D images of his/her own artwork or finding other software or figure posing tools to use. DAZ, don't come in last place behind other vendors. DAZ should be among the first to deem 3D printing to be important enough to get an EULA written and vetted by their own legal beagles.

  • bryantreil_73e2d426c0bryantreil_73e2d426c0 Posts: 5
    edited December 1969

    This is where I'm at-I'd much rather use DAZ because the Genesis model allows for a lot of customization, and there is such a variety of hair and clothing, but for now I need to use MakeHuman and other programs and do a lot more work from scratch. So looking forward to seeing how the license option turns out but I fear DAZ risks losing a chunk of the market in the interim as people turn to other programs for 3D printing.

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited December 1969

    Even if and when DAZ 3D do make a license agreement for 3d Printing it will only cover Daz Originals. PA items would still need to be licensed separately, in the same way as the Games Developers license works.

  • MarcCCTxMarcCCTx Posts: 926
    edited November 2013

    chohole said:
    Even if and when DAZ 3D do make a license agreement for 3d Printing it will only cover Daz Originals. PA items would still need to be licensed separately, in the same way as the Games Developers license works.

    Actually, eventually DAZ will need a different PA license especially for designed to be printed items. I suspect they'll have to be marketed different in the store. I can see the comments in the forums now - "Why isn't this printable?""should I make seperate runtimes?"
    I predict fun times ahead.

    Edit: spelling

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  • icprncssicprncss Posts: 3,694
    edited December 1969

    MarcCCTx said:
    chohole said:
    Even if and when DAZ 3D do make a license agreement for 3d Printing it will only cover Daz Originals. PA items would still need to be licensed separately, in the same way as the Games Developers license works.

    Actually, eventually DAZ will need a different PA license especially for designed to be printed items. I suspect they'll have to be marketed different in the store. I can see the comments in the forums now - "Why isn't this printable?""should I make seperate runtimes?"
    I predict fun times ahead.

    Edit: spelling

    If you look at the gaming licenses DAZ already has that. The DAZ gaming licenses only cover those products listed as DAZ Originals. I know RawArt has a separate gaming license for his products but most of the PA's do not. Why would DAZ have to market items in a different store? There have been DAZ Originals and PA products pretty much since DAZ has been in business. If DAZ were to make changes that allows for 3D printing it would probably be in the form of a license that users would have to purchase. Like the gaming licenses, it would only cover DAZ Originals aka those products that DAZ has purchased the copyright to. I'm not really sure what's so difficult about the concept.

  • MarcCCTxMarcCCTx Posts: 926
    edited November 2013

    I'm not really sure what's so difficult about the concept.

    Currently DAZ handles the licensing for renderable item between it's users and the PAs, why shouldn't they do the same for printable items? Yes, it will be different from the current license and items marked "printable" may cost more because of this, but really this is something DAZ should do to keep current with the emerging market. DAZ really makes it easy to buy and use their current products without worrying about licensing problems, Keep up the good work!

    Why would DAZ have to market items in a different store?

    Not a different store, but different markers (tags?) to show that the item is printable/licensed to print.


    Edit: Also standardize the terminology so everyone's on the same page when talking about this.

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  • robkelkrobkelk Posts: 3,259
    edited December 1969

    MarcCCTx said:
    Besides if you're using your home printer for personal use, the EULA wouldn't apply.The EULA says you're not allowed to do that - you have to send the model to a third party to be printed.

    Text extracted from the EULA:The creation of three-dimensional physical images (3D-print, molded copy, CNC-routed copy, and the like) of Content or any three-dimensional art derived from the Content is permitted only by User’s purchase from DAZ, via the User’s online DAZ store account, of permission to deliver User’s derived works (art), including necessary Content, to an entity that creates three-dimensional images in a physical medium. User may then deliver User’s art in file format to that third party to have three-dimensional physical images printed or created, up to the limitations set forth in the online DAZ Store as delineated on the purchase page associated with the permission purchased. These limitations govern (i) personal and/or commercial use of the three-dimensional physical or printed images; and (ii) the quantity of three dimensional physical or printed images allowed.

  • MarcCCTxMarcCCTx Posts: 926
    edited December 1969

    Geez - how old is that? Technology has moved on...

    (OK, I realize it's not that old, but the technology is moving on.)

  • Mc-DwyreMc-Dwyre Posts: 4
    edited February 2015

    2015
    Now they have printed figures for sale,
    but I am disappointed by the results.
    The faces are too blurry.

    Hope they will looking better in the future. :)

    Post edited by Mc-Dwyre on
  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479
    edited December 1969

    Merlus said:
    2015
    Now they have printed figures for sale,
    but I am disappointed by the results.
    The faces are too blurry.

    Hope they will looking better in the future. :)

    Before you criticize the output too much, take a look at their promo video, "DAZ 3D - Software, Content, 3D Printing," on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yme_z6sM9AY

    The 3D print is the color of the medium. In the video, the medium is white. After printing the figure, they have to paint the model.

    As one of the DAZ customers participating in the #daz3dprinting campaign, I received a 6-inch "Victoria In Action" 3D Print. Vicki's face is not blurry at all. But I find her difficult to photograph well using auto-focus. The camera doesn't see enough contrast in her face to focus on it. If you'd like, you can see several of my promo photos of the figure on the DAZ twitter feed: @daz3d.

    I think the printed figures are reasonably priced considering the amount of post-printing work that has to be done. And I'm an oldster who can remember penny candy, 7¢ Popsicles, and paying 25¢ to go to the movies! (I can even remember paying 25.9¢ for a gallon of gas, in my teens, in California.)

  • ncampncamp Posts: 345
    edited December 1969

    As far as color printing goes, I just saw this on facebook.

    http://3dprintingindustry.com/2015/02/06/something3d-announces-chameleon-full-color-desktop-3d-printer/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=3DPI+Facebook

    ncamp

  • ghastlycomicghastlycomic Posts: 2,531
    edited December 1969

    3D Printing is at such a primitive state right now, like the first dot matrixes of the 60s. Expensive for the machine and the results are of inferior quality compared with traditional printing/manufacturing methods. I find myself tempted to buy one at times, but it'll probably be another 10 years before we have 3D printers that make stuff with the same quality that traditional manufacturing can produce it.

  • Silver DolphinSilver Dolphin Posts: 1,620
    edited December 1969

    If you are going to pay for such an expensive item as a 3D printer you can afford to hire someone to create a 3D mesh that belongs solely to you. If you can't afford to do that you can use using something like MakeHuman and the Blender Modeler and create your own mesh which will belongs to you and you can do whatever you like with it. I like that Daz is offering 3D printing services that is a great idea. I recieved one of the promos and it was well made they even covered the model with some sort of heavy clear plastic to make it look glossy. The only problem I foresee is breakage. These models are very fragile. A glass figurine is stronger than these 3d printed statues.

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