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I only have an old version of the plugin, I am two versions behind on 2, Octane is on 4
still at least it does work in it and Octane will let me apply textures to things without a UV via projection
oddy the obj mesh exported does have a UV but not while it is in this interactive form
With my BSOD trying to do this I can attest to that
my reaction is to wander back to Carrara
The floof is strong there 
I don't really know yet, barbult. I am still brand new with this system, too, and until I am more familiar with the various ways of texturing the hair (yes, you can apply textures to it by unchecking the "use source uvs" option), but I haven't had a chance to see how good it looks and if it is even "correct", except to say it seems upside down from what I designed ColorWerks to do, basically. The roots are at the bottom of the uvs, rather than at the top. Anyway, I will certainly be looking into it. Below is an example of the Daz Horse 2 mane and tail I started working on, but then abandoned because it was too early to show in promos. Please realize, this was only on my first day of installing the beta, so it is not great (yet). I used a ColorWerks preset on the hair and it looks ok.
I absolutely agree with this. Now, since the update is finished downloading and it is the weekend, I am going to rewatch that video on how to get started and go see what I can come up with.
The current strand system is at least on par with LAMH plugin. LAMH doesn't have draping/simulating.
So... at _worst_ you are getting a LAMH/enhanced Garibaldi system... free.
So my little question.. probably been answered but there is just too much to read!
So the strands are rendered out as a full hairstyle but is there a way to export the completed hair style or what ever as an obj to take into say ZBrush for some tweaks or will it just stay as strand guides?
So you DID make that tail and mane with the new process? In another thread it was said that that particular long mane was probably a photo shopped mane and tail product!
I'm confused about all the comments above... will a non PA be able to make a tail with a simple drape like that, or is that something that only a PA with the D force tool will be able to do?
Edit, Ahh, I see the difference now... will the non PA be able to edit and drape the strands at all to get the more natural look?https://www.daz3d.com/fantasy-alcove-window
By the way, can't folks just use this: EcVh0 dForce Master to make ANY hair d-Force?
Well yes, this was what I was doing in my posts but as I said the obj was too complex and crashed my desktop to unresponsive black monitors it took about 3 reboots to fix....
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https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-master-cloth-simulation-presets try this one
And seeing and subscribing your work on YouTube I know you would have put that ability to good use
I am not as upset as some because I simply use the tools myself in other more robust software but what does sadden me is only a handful of PA’s will use this added functionality and so many with the talents who are not PA’s will never achieve the animations we would love to see, people like you and Ivy Summers, though I guess you both can simply do as I do and go elsewhere and composite if needed, the issues of aligning it all just irks me a tad as my Carrara animations never match my DAZ studio ones as both read the aniblocks, duf poses etc differently I have actually tried doing 3 layers in Hitfilm of back hair figure and front hair sandwiches!
I'm kind of late to this, but I'm a bit baffled by the responses of some people. Most high end programs don't have free versions, of software or plugins. Even the ones I know of like Zbrush, the free version (sculptris) has much less tools than the full version, and there's a core version that you can pay for that is less than full version, but more tools than free... Daz has already made most of its software free and keeps on developing it and improving it and we get to keep using it, not having to buy new upgrades every time. I already think that's awesome. :D (this coming from someone who had to cancel certain programs lately that went to pay-as-you-go plans or pay to upgrade and current version becomes obsolete... augh)
Isn't it always that we work at the level we can afford? I mean, to this day, I still use GIMP for painting and make many morphs in DS with dformers the old way. I don't have Zbrush or Octane or any of the fancy stuff. I'm super loving dforce clothing (make clothes work on nearly any character via animation drape ! awesome!) and as a long time fan of LAMH, I'm excited about more hair options for Daz. I have lots to learn, but the development of hair for Daz is an exciting move forward for everyone and hopefully will bring fabulous new kinds of content for everryone to enjoy. I like seeing what people are figuring out and hope I can try some stuff soon. <3
I don't want to confuse anyone... I did attempt a mane and tail using the new dforce hair tools, from guides imported from zbrush, not the strand based hair editor. But, the mane and tail in my alcove promo, mentioned above, were NOT made with this new system at all. They were made using an existing human hairstyle that had the dforce cloth modifier added. No new hair system stuff at all in that promo. The timing is just unfortunate because people were asking how I made the mane, and then strand based and dforce hair are announced only days before. Sorry for the confusion
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As for the second part of your question, and hopefully Daz will correct me if I am wrong, I believe you can take strand based hairs, whether you made them in the editor yourself or they were purchased from the Daz Store, and you can edit them in the strand based editor, ie: comb them differently, clump them, or whatever. Now, if that purchased hairstyle has been converted from strand based hair to dforce hair, I don't know if the ability to edit is removed. That would be a question for Daz.
If I am correct, then you would be able to pose your figure, then take the hair back into the editor and comb it to fall the way you want for the pose. Again, I am also still new to this, so if I am mistaken, I apologize now.
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https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-master-hair-simulation-presets-for-dforce-cloth-engine
Weirdly the link works if I just go to the store and paste in EcVh0 dForce Master and then choose the dForce Master - Hair Simulation Presets for dForce Cloth Engine
As Dan Farr once explained it to me, it grows the base. The business vision (back in the day) was that users would start out as just scene builders using purchased and free content from DAZ. As they became more skilled, modifying the content they bought would be the next logical step. With increased confidence and skill they would start creatiung their own content and DAZ would be there with the tools they needed (the example he gave me at the time was Zbrush and rigging integration.) From this base of increasingly skilled users, DAZ would also be able to recruit the next generation of PAs. The desire was to let users stay (but not force them) with the DAZ studio ecosystem for as long as possible, thus keeping them as clients of DAZ for as long as possible, as well as having some mature into future DAZ partners (e.g. the PAs.)
Admittedly, Dan isn't with the company anymore and that was 10 years ago, but that was the rational when DAZ studio went from paid package (a few hundred dollars for the "Pro" option with the creator tools to free.) The idea was to open the platform to maximize the number of potential clients the DAZ Studio platform had. It was his view that the more clients DAZ had, the more people would be buying existing content and the more potential PAs they would have for new content as the technology grew and evolved. It was the view then (but probably not now) that the sales of existing content would pay for the platform development costs. The business model was to maximize the base of content buyers by giving away the studio product, with the full knowledge that advanced users would want the tools for modifying and creating their own content.
I'm somewhat with the open platform side of the discussion because I create a lot of my content, but I fill out my scenes with premade content, shaders, and environments (including some of your stuff) and use the "creator tools" in studio extensively. I've long since stopped making content for my sale myself. It might be nice if DAZ made a "for personal use only" license for sale of the two technologies in questions (HD morphs and Dynamic Hair) just to keep those users who wish to use those advanced techniques in the base. It's DAZ's IP and they can do with it as they wish, but it does seem to go against the spirit of original decision to make the creator tools free to all.
It might be worth keeping in mind that the original rollout of dForce included (and still includes) the ability to try and apply it to clothes that did not start out as DForce, and relatively few people took (and still take) advantage of it. And a significant minority of those complained bitterly because they were trying to dForce things that were self-evidently not suitable for it, or because it required more horsepower than their computers had. Maybe they just didn't want to deal with all the complaining that would go along with dforceable strand hairs crashing their computers every ten minutes.
And count me as one who had read the initial statements (not the headline, but the early posts by DAZ personnel, PAs and moderators) as strongly implying that we weren't going to be able to dforce strand based hairs straight up. I don't think they were actively trying to hide the fact from us, just they fell victim to the same awkward phrasing problems we see in their sale copy.
dForce Hair (whether it started life as Strand Based Hair or not) cannot be edited in the Strand Based Hair editor. But there are many properties that can be adjusted such as density, hair width, length (making it shorter from the ends anyway), various randomizations, frizz and scraggle.
@Slosh, where can I find the "use source uvs" option to turn it off so I can try ColorWerks textures? Is that in the Strand-Based Hair editor or the Surfaces pane for the new shader? I can't find it.
Yes I would like to know for Octane too if I use it, if I cannot have a pelt UV a vertical UV is still preferable to none
Been playing with this for a little bit of time now and I can see tons of possibilities.
I can’t seem to get the length I envisioned (trying for a long wavy hairstyle) but that could be just because I am not doing something correctly. Or it could be limitations on what was released. This is still a beta after all.
i look forward to seeing what is released in the future to support this new addition to the “DAZ toy box”.
It only appears when using Target Surfaces as the Hair Generation Mode, which I only see in the dForce samples included. It is in the shader tab. I don't know if it is shader based, or what. Sorry :(
Sadly that appears since it is a Dforce Mohawk (with a separate root anchor surface like I do on my fibermesh hairs too I see) to be part of the PA tool so not in our surface parameters
not part of the PA tool... just part of dforce hair, which you will see whenever you load a dforce hair. That screenshot is from the Pubic Beta, with the hair models provided in the dforce Starter Essentials and was done on my laptop, which has no PA tools installed. What I have on the laptop is what you have at home.
Oh I didn’t know there were sample Dforce hairs!
yes... a mohawk each for G8F and G8M, as well as strand based versions of them
The Mohawk seems a bit of an odd choice for the sample dForce style, since the typical Mohawk sees the hair defy gravity rather than to succumb to it :)