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Ummmm not exactly =)
Speaking as a longtime user of Garibaldi - unless collision detection code in the editor has been massively improved, brushing (long) hair around ears, especially elf ears, takes quite a lot of patience and... finesse, for lack of a better word.
// of course, folks in this thread report dForce hair products also have issues with elf ears... ooh hoomanz //
And what about draping long hair not only over body parts, but over other items? It's not a trivial task.
Granted, now that Mattymanx has revealed that dForcing curves is like "baking" them into an uneditable form, it means that this dForce hair doesn't work the way I expected it to, based on hair/fur solutions in other software. This sort of slashes my jealousy at least in half.
Rather than trying to read 31 pages of the thread ... though I have no interest in learning how to use sbh myself, will there be products and animals available for purchase with sbh presets included so us lazy types can still have long-haired dogs and such? Sorta like LAMH does?
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Yes reading Carrara and Poser hair is still far superior
I gather the Dforce hair needs weightmapping too which would be an utter pain as I know from my experiences with fibermesh, Poser and Carrara it simply grows on the mesh and follows it simulated too which at least the static strand hair can do so that is halfway there
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Right. I believe what @Psyckosama was suggesting is that it was gimped on purpose. Otherwise you could buy dForce Hair A, then edit/style it yourself to create a new dForce Hair B.
Please understand that I'm not sure this is really the situation, or if it has to be that way for some technical reason - I don't know.
- Greg
AFAIK, there's no way to "save" the strand hair, right? If I create it once for a character and then re-pose the character, I need to recreate the hair?
My semi-educated guess is it is a technical limitation of strand-based hair due to a lack of support for the curves in Iray. One of the big issues facing Garibaldi Express and LAMH for using their products in Iray was that Iray doesn't support the technology used to create the hair. AM talked about this in his LAMH commercial thread. After some time, he came up with Catalyzer, but it only works with hair he has converted for use with Catalyzer.
Prior to Catalyzer, there were only two ways to render LAMH in Iray, either convert the curves to an obj or fiber mesh. The free LAMH Player will convert to OBJ, but one needs the full program to convert to fiber mesh. Regardless, Iray does not see and won't render hair from the curves.
I believe it was Richard who mentioned the dForce hair modifier is applied to fiber mesh hair, regardless of how that hair was created. So it stands to reason, (if I'm remembering what was stated correctly,) that the strand based hair is being converted to fiber mesh before applying dForce, and once strand based hair becomes fiber mesh, it can no longer be edited by the strand based hair editor.
I believe, currently, the only way to save the strand based hair is to save it in the scene. If you create it on a character, then save that character with the hair, opening the scene with that character should include the hair. (Look at the his and hers mohawks that come in the dForce Starter Essentials.)
If the character has the hair when loaded, you should then be able to open the hair in the editor and make changes to work with the new pose.
Yes, I think the terminology may be fractionally off but the main thing is that the Strand Based hair tool is one way to generate mesh which can be converted to dForce hair - they are different types of object, which is why you can't simply go backwards from dForce hair to the Strand hair editor.
Once I've created a hair item that I want to use in other scenes, I save it as a scene subset. Then I can merge it into any scene and fit it to the same base mesh it was created on. It may look like it doesn't move but it works fine in the render. When the scene is saved and reloaded later, the viewport guides move to the proper location too.
Exactly... Just about every single thing we've seen in this thread is Strand Hair - NOT dForce hair (aside from PhilW's hair, I believe). The tools that have been given to the community are incredibly powerful. I bet most people complaining about not being able to make dForce hair haven't even worked with Strand Hair enough to even see what they can do with it. I haven't even touched dForce hair yet and I've been able to create some really fun and (imo) some pretty cool stuff with the Strand Hair. The styling tools are powerful and you can make the hair go anywhere you want.
Here are some of my latest experiments with Strand Based Hair (no dForce):
I agree most won’t need Dforce hair as most do still renders and the PA’s who actually will produce it will cater for those people too.
DAZ Studio simply is not aimed at animators and they do not want people who animate to have the tools to do so
we have to look elsewhere
Carrara, iClone, Unreal Game engine in my case, C4D in Wolf’s case and so on
C4D has awesome hair by the way
me jelly
Shave and a Haircut is free now bought by Epic Games for the Maya users
Oh boy!
So it's not like I'm doing something wrong when I get no RiCurves in my RIB when trying to render that dForce mohawk example?
All dForce hair is PointsPolygons, even if we render in 3Delight?
I would buy and learn these programs in a heartbeat if their content was anywhere near as excellent as DAZ.
Content?
actually DAZ is the best for that
originally that was their purpose, creating 3D content
sadly more and more the emphasis has been on making it useable only in DAZ studio though people who use pro software do find other ways
Do you have the 3Delight shader applied? I'm sure of the answer to your question, but that may be a potential issue.
Sorry, that's what I meant.
DAZ content is the best, and DAZ studio is the best (sometimes only) way to use the DAZ content. Thus, I use DAZ.
If we could easily import DAZ figures / props into (for instance) Maya or C4D, I'd learn those programs. I know there are ways, but they seem extremely complicated and fraught with peril.
Yes, absolutely. I tried the stock one and my own specialised hair shaders - RIBs show that dForce hair gets exported as PointsPolygons.
The Garibaldi 2.0 aka strand hair tool works as expected, generating curves.
Putting two and two together - Mattymanx saying that you can't edit dForce hair even as a PA, and you mentioning that imported fibermesh can be turned into dForce hair - it may very well be the intended behaviour. Unless there is a hidden switch somewhere...
Actually there is a lot of native content out there for Maya or C4D (I don't know if my post will get deleted if I name any of the marketplaces?), and it is also excellent, but.
The prices are exorbitant as compared to the prices we are used to.
Same for the prices of actual software as well.
When I try to use dforce hair, it doesn't fall "straight" according to gravity. Am I missing something?
Reason normally being they're normally lisenced for full commercial use. Add the Daz Interactive Lisence and it'll be a lot closer...
That too is a factor, yes.
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I found these SBH videos on YouTube. No tutorials from DAZ3D except the intro video, which if their previous practice continues, is all we will get from DAZ3D on a new feature.
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An Overview of Strand Based Hair in DAZ Studio - 3D Shenanigans #20
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An Overview of Strand Based Hair in DAZ Studio - 3D Shenanigans #20
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DAZ Studio Strand Based Hair Animation Experiment 01
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DAZ Studio Strand Based Hair Animation Experiment 02
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Is anyone else a bit concerned by the lack of dforce hair? When dforce cloth came out, the store was flooded with dforce skirts, shirts, etc.
We only have, like, 4 hairs!
It’s what DAZ and all the PA’s piping up in here in support want
It’s also the reason I don’t expect anything useable for animations to eventuate
We don't know just how many PAs got brought in to the late beta on the hair, and the skill set for dForce hair is different from the skill set for the previous hair methods. Clothing for dForce is fairly close to non-dForce clothing, so a shorter learning curve. I'd say we should see a major change within the month.