Cloud rendering
CASINC
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Since searching these forums is about useless, I'll ask maybe a repeat question. Any info about cloud rendering would be nice. Recommendation, sites, pricing, is it worth it, other alternatives, those types of things. Thanks!
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OK three alternative examples
1) Skydome (iray and 3delight example) https://www.daz3d.com/easy-environments-frozen-lake or https://www.daz3d.com/terradome-3-iray : easily available, relatively cheap, distant only, these are often part of location sets.
2) Billboards https://www.daz3d.com/billboard-nodes-plugin: uncommon, can get a little closer, you can fly behind these
3) Actual objects https://www.daz3d.com/iray-clouds : rare, can do real closeups
check out this site it has a whole list of render farms, https://rentrender.com/all-render-farms-list/ just look for the icon to match the software your looking to use. some of the farms will work with daz studio .
Also you might try contacting a PA here. his named is Jack Tomalin He has a render farm as well though, i am not sure fo his requirments or prices though.
Here is another option https://www.daz3d.com/cloudscape-creator-bundle
...I believe the OP is looking for an online render farm. and I see Ivy is already onto it.
Thank you for this, I've been looking into render farms too, but none of these have the Daz logo that I can see. Does anyone know if any of these work with DS? I will try contacting Jack too.
Yea I run a private server.. not affliated with Daz or anything, but happy to talk via PM if people are interested.
Just pm-ed you
I can't speak for anyone else here. But for my work flow I use external Hard drives and external GPU's connected a usb3 super hub. so I can connect 2 desk top pc's and 1 lap top. to the hard drive hub. I use the big system with 120 gig ram for rendering, which allows me free so I can make and test render new scenes on another computer, I use another hard drive as a shared project drive, By using external hard drives it allow me to access my main daz content folders with as many computers as I have connected to the main usb3 super hub I am up to 5 -2tb HDD content hard drives and 2- 1TB SSD shared project drives that I can access with 3 computers all at the same time.. each computer has their own, but the same versions of daz studio on them. that is how use my system for creating and rendering daz animation on a home computer system. not really a rendr farm more like a storage farm. for my usb3 hub I just use a simple Anker 7-Port USB 3.0 Data Hub with 36W Power Adapter for the hard drive you connect to it
Most of those render farms on the list use a virtual desk top app which pretty much connects any software anyway, it really depends on how much you want to spend. I have used rev render render farm a few times for large projects and they work well with daz Studio4. because you connect daz to their iray servers using a virtual desktop app , they give you to download & install. which will virtually allow you to connect any 3d software that uses iray not just daz. the best thing all the daz content remains on your system so no fear of violating the daz TOS. plus Revrender support is very good kind of expansive though at a $1 a core hour, when you need 80 cores for 3 or 4 hours.
You don't just transfer the scene file to a iRay server. The scene file basically just tells DS where to find everything the file contains.
To do rendering on one machine qand scene setup on another you need the same content at the same path on both machines. You can do this by sharing your content directories over the network or having a NAS where all your content is stored.
Also you're not looking for a server farm that supports Daz Studio but one that supports iRay. DS knows how top connect to an iRay server and transfer all the data required.
@Ivy once you're storing 11Tb of data on external drives and a powered USB hub it might be worth looking at building a NAS. It will be far less hassle than your setup and not nearly as failure prone, Plus USB 3 is 5 Gbits/sec while 10Gbit ethernet is, obviously, twice as fast.
you can access multi computers to the same external hard drive if you set them up just as storage drives, there is a number of websites on google & YouTube that show you how to set them up with out conflicts as a storage drive there no restrictions unless you set restrictions like a password or something. my project SSD drive i have set up so I can use only 1 driv at a time. so I do not cause conflict with on going projects i am working on. my lap top is wireless and does not use the usb3 hub it uses my wfi network bypassing the main hub so I never get conflicts with using my lap top when i am using my render rig at the same time. The one huge conflict I do get a lot is if I try saving to the same project file while I have another copy of daz open with that same scene file. Then will have access violations errors if you do that and it will crash daz every time,. But that is only happens when i am being stupid and forget and try to save to the file that rendering. , so I always make 2 copies of the same scene file so each version of daz has their own scene file instead of working on just the one same scene file. to avoid that conflict. you have to be careful of exception and access violation errors when using external hards drives. My External GPU box holds a 1200 watt power supply running 2 - gtx1080 ti's and 4 120mm variable fans. connected using usb3 & HDMI . This is a old set up Ive been using it a long while & it been working really good. so I really am not looking forward to the day I have to give up my render rig because of lack of support for windows7, because i have no idea if this kind of set up can be done with windows 10 PC my win 10 lap top usies wireless so there no conflict with my windows 7 I just use the home network work for that
but like i said just do a search on YouTube for connecting 2 pcs to a usb3 hub for multiple drive connections there is tons of them.
good advice . I will look into that set up :)
...for my scenes, If I can get access to a couple NV LInked RTX Quadro 8000's I'd be very happy.
Honest question - what would you willingly pay for that?
I have a similar setup at home - I do the scenes on my i7 laptop with 1050ti and render them on a desktop-ish computer (a NUC with a 2080ti eGPU connected to it). In order to do that, you'll need to either attach your external drive to the rendering machine, share it on the network and mount it as an network drive on your laptop or you can get a NAS (I have the most basic Synology box at home - cost me around 100 euro) and put your daz library on it and mount it both on the laptop and the rendering machine. I did some research on iRay servers but it turns out there are many restrictions regarding what you can render on those (e.g. you can't render animations), so I gave up on the idea of running a iRay server on my NUC. I do the scenes on my laptop, connect to my NUC via remote desktop, start DAZ and either schedule a batch rendering for the static scenes, or if it's an animation, just open it and start the render. This way I can continue to work on my laptop while the renders are running on the NUC, effectively saving time which otherwise would be wasted waiting on the render to complete.
Heh well I'll kinda answer in KK's absence. A pair of those would cost about £11,000.. so sadly it would be cost a bit more than the current $50/month subscription.. though if say a number of people wanted to jump in and guarantee say a years sub.. then I'd seriously getting it. Balls in your court :)
hm... a few month ago I would yelled happly here.
But now we are getting finally memory sharing with RTX cards... and the RTX 3000 is slowly knocking on the door.
2x RTX Quadro 8000 are not much faster than my 2x RTX 2080ti.
And with the memory sharing I'll have hopefully something around 22GB, which should be good enough (of course, in reality you can't have enough VRAM).
Maybe it would be better to wait for the next Quadro generation?
..do you have such a system? Looking to rebuild /revise railway station and girls at the bus stop scenes (both were still WIPs which were lost in the drive crash). Then there is an idea I had that will be very "complex". Remember a person long ago who wen't by the name of Alpha Channel? Yeah like his stuff.
Don't even think my Titan X could handle that.
No Quadro's at the moment, the current render server has 4 x 2080ti's, with another 3 in my work/backup server. I was thinking of putting all 7 in one rig, then potentially adding something spicier like some Qaudro's in the backup server, and have that as a bit more an 'extreme case' server. I heard that the memory pooling slows down the GPU's, so it might be worth trying to get the best of both worlds that way.. speed and then RAM capacity.
The usage isn't too bad at the moment, but certainly doesn't have the userbase to really warrant that level of investment yet.
Yea all good points.. the nice thing about the higher end cards is they do keep a fair bit of their value.. so chopping out and changing cards, while a pain practically, isn't quite as bad as starting from 0 each generation.
I think the Titan cards have a much better usage/price ratio.
If the 3000 generation are getting a Titan, too, maybe a 4x 3000 Titan system with memory pooling would be the best choice for heavy jobs.
Does iRay server support NVLink? Have you tried it on the 2080ti's?
I haven't no, tbh I'm not sure it does support it yet actually..
It maybe can work with a linux server
see:
https://www.reddit.com/r/deeplearning/comments/9jcyln/hardware_nvlink_on_geforce_rtx_does_it_pool_memory/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=comments_view_all
and
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/NVLink-on-NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-2080-2080-Ti-in-Windows-10-1253/
I'm not able to get to a proper computer to dig it up right now, but if you take a look at the complete Iray changelogs (not just the piecemeal excerpts of them included with each new release of Daz Studio) nvlink vram pooling has been fully implemented in Iray software-wise since the summer of 2018 when it was updated for Volta. Hardware-wise, Linux users seem to have an assured case of it working. Windows users, on the other hand, are said to be subject to limitations because of how Windows enumerates graphics memory. However there's been a lot of major code/feature changes to Iray since then, and no one with capable hardware has yet gotten around to experimenting with things.
Even the server side of it?
On Linux, apparently yes (remember: Iray Server has parallel Windows/Linux releases.) On Windows - that's where the big question mark lies.
I tried it a while back, but then realised you couldn't cluster between different OS'es.. so went back to Windows on it.