Help this n00b buy a PC

LeatherGryphon

Hylas said:

Ok guys, I done did it! I placed an order. I ended up going for:

 

Intel® Core™ i5 6 Core i5-10400 (2,9 GHz) cache van 12 MB

ASUS® H410M-A: Micro-ATX, DDR4, USB 3.2, SATA 6 GBs

32 GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 2666 MHz (2 x 16 GB)

8GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3060 Ti - HDMI, DP

1 TB PCS 2,5" SSD, SATA 6 Gb (520 MB/R, 470 MB/W)

CORSAIR 650 W CV SERIES™ CV-VOEDING 650 W

CoolerMaster Hyper 212 (120mm)

 

I was initially looking at RTX 3070 and Ryzen 5 3600X but the endprice made me a little queasy.

I looked for reviews that compared the RTX 3070 and the RTX 3060ti. I couldn't find anybody who compared the two in an IRAY context (I guess we're too niche) but several gamers had published reviews. They made it sound like the 3060ti is a really solid product and great value for the money. Here on the forum I also found a smattering of posts that were excited about the 3060ti.

When looking at lists of recommended CPUs for the 3060ti, the i5-10400 came up a few times. Which is also a little cheaper than the Ryzen 5 3600X or the i5-10600K. All of which brought down the price to a more palatable level.

Now I just have to wait of course, because the 30XX products aren't actually available atm. It's ok, I'm not in a hurry. I just hope my excitement isn't going to curdle into regret by the time the thing actually arrives!

Thank you so much, everybody who contributed! I've been a Mac user for my entire adult life so all of this is very foreign to me. I find it hard to find information specific to a niche hobby like ours. I couldn't have done this without you all!

Congratulation on your new 'puter.

Buying a computer aways incurs regret.  If not now, then later.  There's always something else you could have added.  And, even NOT buying a computer sometimes ends up with regret.  

Sometimes I feel sorry for people with more money than is good for them because they think throwing cash at a problem will avoid the regret.  It just hurts all the more when they realize that the only person to blame for not getting what you needed was, in the end, yourself.  Not lack of money, not lack of advice.  Just bad expectations and bad choices. 

Anticipate getting your new toy, gleefully, it's at least half as much pleasure as having it.

I snicker delightfully whenever I see some spoiled rich person smash their quarter million dollar car by trying to show off their "driving skills".

Ostadan

It is a long-standing principal of rapidly advancing technology that the longer you wait, the better thing you will be able to buy; but as long as you wait, you end up buying nothing.  (We Mac owners are in an even weirder place now; buy a current Mac and try to get an older OS on it for Daz3D?  Wait for the new M1 and hope that Studio will somehow run on it?) 

Anyway, the end result of the tech curve is that you will always be facing buyer's remorse; or else non-buyer's remorse!

Sven Dullah

Ostadan said:

It is a long-standing principal of rapidly advancing technology that the longer you wait, the better thing you will be able to buy; but as long as you wait, you end up buying nothing.  (We Mac owners are in an even weirder place now; buy a current Mac and try to get an older OS on it for Daz3D?  Wait for the new M1 and hope that Studio will somehow run on it?) 

Anyway, the end result of the tech curve is that you will always be facing buyer's remorse; or else non-buyer's remorse!

+1

j cade

Ostadan said:

It is a long-standing principal of rapidly advancing technology that the longer you wait, the better thing you will be able to buy; but as long as you wait, you end up buying nothing.  (We Mac owners are in an even weirder place now; buy a current Mac and try to get an older OS on it for Daz3D?  Wait for the new M1 and hope that Studio will somehow run on it?) 

Anyway, the end result of the tech curve is that you will always be facing buyer's remorse; or else non-buyer's remorse!

"Wait until the 30X0 gpus you'll regret if you don't"

"Well obviously don't buy a 30X0 now wait until the prices come down or you'll regret it"

And I imagine in another 6 months

"Don't buy for the the 30X0 according to rumors the 40X0 is going to blow it out of the water you'll regret it"

kyoto kid

...NM

seems you picked a system similar to what I was going to suggest.

Hylas

kyoto kid said:

...NM

seems you picked a system similar to what I was going to suggest.

Would still be interested in your hypothetical suggestion, if you've already thought about it :)

nonesuch00

j cade said:

Ostadan said:

It is a long-standing principal of rapidly advancing technology that the longer you wait, the better thing you will be able to buy; but as long as you wait, you end up buying nothing.  (We Mac owners are in an even weirder place now; buy a current Mac and try to get an older OS on it for Daz3D?  Wait for the new M1 and hope that Studio will somehow run on it?) 

Anyway, the end result of the tech curve is that you will always be facing buyer's remorse; or else non-buyer's remorse!

"Wait until the 30X0 gpus you'll regret if you don't"

 

"Well obviously don't buy a 30X0 now wait until the prices come down or you'll regret it"

 

And I imagine in another 6 months

 

"Don't buy for the the 30X0 according to rumors the 40X0 is going to blow it out of the water you'll regret it"

 

All very true when you actually have a very limited budget to work with. If you don't, lucky you, I guess?

Waiting certainly has paid off quite well for me. I went from a 8 year old laptop I bought on eBay in 2017 for $55 to a 2020 Ryzen 7 8 core CPU 32GB RAM with, coming Feb 2021, a GeForce RTX 3080 with 120GB for $1400. I don't think that had I build a run of the mill intel i5 woth 8GB RAM and a GeForce 1080 for $1400 back in 2017 the extra $1350 would have gotten the capabilities I wanted from the video card. No, I know that wouldn't have gotten my the capabilities I need for the video card. Now I'll have a video card that no doubt I can wait several years for before the computer's hardware capabilities are impeded by modern software capabilities as was the case with the 8 year old laptop. 

That's the difference between always buying want you want versus buying what you can afford. Some people don't have to worry about such matters but many do.

j cade

nonesuch00 said:

j cade said:

Ostadan said:

It is a long-standing principal of rapidly advancing technology that the longer you wait, the better thing you will be able to buy; but as long as you wait, you end up buying nothing.  (We Mac owners are in an even weirder place now; buy a current Mac and try to get an older OS on it for Daz3D?  Wait for the new M1 and hope that Studio will somehow run on it?) 

Anyway, the end result of the tech curve is that you will always be facing buyer's remorse; or else non-buyer's remorse!

"Wait until the 30X0 gpus you'll regret if you don't"

 

"Well obviously don't buy a 30X0 now wait until the prices come down or you'll regret it"

 

And I imagine in another 6 months

 

"Don't buy for the the 30X0 according to rumors the 40X0 is going to blow it out of the water you'll regret it"

 

All very true when you actually have a very limited budget to work with. If you don't, lucky you, I guess?

Waiting certainly has paid off quite well for me. I went from a 8 year old laptop I bought on eBay in 2017 for $55 to a 2020 Ryzen 7 8 core CPU 32GB RAM with, coming Feb 2021, a GeForce RTX 3080 with 120GB for $1400. I don't think that had I build a run of the mill intel i5 woth 8GB RAM and a GeForce 1080 for $1400 back in 2017 the extra $1350 would have gotten the capabilities I wanted from the video card. No, I know that wouldn't have gotten my the capabilities I need for the video card. Now I'll have a video card that no doubt I can wait several years for before the computer's hardware capabilities are impeded by modern software capabilities as was the case with the 8 year old laptop. 

That's the difference between always buying want you want versus buying what you can afford. Some people don't have to worry about such matters but many do.

 Oh I am very pro- waiting for the best deal (unless your computer borked on an update and you're stuck booting linux off a flash drive - at that point you just find the best current options, true story) But soemtimes it feels like the suggestions are to endlessly wait for the next thing. at some point you need to take the plunge It sounds like you did just that.

Im defintely in the budgeting camp. Once I saw someone suggest that the minimum gpu requirement was a gpu that cost as much as my entire laptop 

 

Honestly im not sure i'd want something too top of the line. How would I then feel superior about how much I can do with some very mediocre specs? ;)  

kyoto kid

Hylas said:

kyoto kid said:

...NM

seems you picked a system similar to what I was going to suggest.

Would still be interested in your hypothetical suggestion, if you've already thought about it :)

...actually the system you settled on is a bit better than what I found.  I used the cost you posted as a basis and the one i found was about 100€ more (not counting VAT). While had an 8 core/16 thread i7, 1 TB NVMe SSD, and RTX 3070, it only had 16 GB of memory.  I also forgot that the 3060Ti has 8 GB instead of 6.

Here are the full specs (excuse the lengthy verbose link).

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali468/p/N82E16883360053?Item=N82E16883360053&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-COM&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-The+Tech+Buyer's+Guru&AFFID=3031734&AFFNAME=The+Tech+Buyer's+Guru&ACRID=1&ASUBID=&ASID=https://techbuyersguru.com/&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=3031734&ranSiteID=WAzU8cLhuCU-MHOUR5hW3ZNnepyu0deTrg

Based on the current conversion rate it would be1315.20€