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Well yeah. When there's a lot of demand for computers because of obvious reasons, and supply is constricted because of those same reasons, as well as other reasons, prices go up. That's first day of Economics 101 stuff.
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This is quite interesting to me too, as just recently 16GB ram price was 30 euro on aliexpress but now it got up to 40 for no reason although some sellers sell it for 35.
My suspicion is that the price hike is related to the dollar devaluation. Since within the last half of the year, dollar went down significantly.
and maybe also energy cost increase since chip manufacturing is all about energy cost since the entire factory is almost fully automated.
This is not how the economy works today. Supply is pretty much infinite.
In modern times, price is inversely proportional to the demand, the higher demand the cheaper it becomes to manufacture. Chinese biorobots will make as much as required. LOL
Supply and demand, and with more demand, prices rise.
Actually, it's the opposite - demand for computers is way down, as between COVID, the closure or limiting of many stores, and so many people and companies finding that tablets and phone apps work as well for their need, sales of new machines went down dramatically this year, especially in the lower end of the market. That already reduces the economy of scale and, when coupled with the fact that the manufacturing companies had to deal with shutdowns and other additional expenses that need to be offloaded somewhere, prices have to go up a bit to compensate. On the other hand, for things like hard drives, where demand has either gone up dramatically or stayed stable, prices have stayed relatively low.
...what is really frustrating is that some older tech is even more expensive. Wanted to replace a dead hard drive in an old notebook (which I plan to use for my role play game sessions) with an SSD, however the connection is PATA not SATA and PATA SSDs are ridiculously priced
For the cost of a Samsung Evo 1 TB SATA III SSD, I can only get an 80 GB PATA drive. There are adapters but the drive bay in the notebook I have doesn't have enough room for one and the drive.
Not exactly. At the moment one of the big problems that everyone is trying to deal with is that there are a lot of basic raw materials that have gone up dramatically in price due to interupted supply chains, huge changes in consumer buying patterns, and the costs/delays costed by the increased health protections. That's not just in the high tech sector, either. There's a huge shortage of aluminum cans right now, for example, as far more beverages are being bought for home use, and that's caused a lot of the beer and soft drink companies to to both raise prices and purge out or reduce runs of the products that have lower turnaround. The same is also true for pasta products, with production lines that used to handle the more esoteric types being switched over to handle additional production of spaghetti and pre-packed Mac and Cheese.
By the time SSD was a thing, PATA was no more. In any case PATA is ancient so getting new pieces of that will be expensive, if you really want to keep the notebook try:
Used drive: won't last much but should be cheap.
Adapter: Unless very rare notebook, you probably have 2.5 bay. You may not have enough space for 2.5 PATA to 2.5 SATA; but may have space for 2.5 PATA to 1.8 SATA or a 2.5 pata enclosure for a mini pcie device. Is a complete waste of a drive tho. Also, be carefull and not to get a big drive as the old controller will probably not be able to handle it.
...the notebook is actually a bit newer than my 13 year old Toshiba Satellite in which I installed a 320 GB HDD so it would be able to address a 250 GB drive (about 25$ - 28$ for SATA) which is what I intended to install.
Really cannot justify the cost for a brand new one as I only plan to use it for keeping character/game related software, Open Office, and my PDF library of game books on it to take to play sessions (not into lugging around 15 - 20 kilos of dead tree books anymore). Thought about a tablet but those tend to be pricey and the main character generator and maintenance programme I use is only Windows compatible (W7) it won't work on iOS or.Andriod.
Having bought both, I can assure you that there's a difference between the type of hardware used by cubicle dwellers and the type used for gaming and/or rendering. It's the latter that are in high demand because there's currently a great demand for at-home entertainment.
KK, I just came in and saw this thread. How big a PATA 2.5 drive do you need? I think I have one that was removed from a laptop a few years ago and placed into a USB2 external 2.5 PATA case. It's been sitting in a drawer or in my laptop bag for a couple years mostly unused but it worked the last time I tried it. If you're interested pm me. Meanwhile I'll see if I can dig it out and get the details.
Found it. It's a 120GB IDE (PATA) drive 2.5". Still works.
Oh,... reread your post and it looks as if you want a PATA SSD? But if this still interests you, pm me.
...thanks for the offer but want to move away from HDDs in a notebook because they tend to get jostled around while carrying them which tends to increase failure risk. A I mentioned I don't need something fancy or with a lot of storage given what I will be using it for.
That is why I never opt for a new desktop PC, notebook or even a laptop. We used to get refurbished accessories and toolkits even when it comes to network hardware servers and other utilities.
A refurbished version of any gadget can save a lot of amount, but I do not recommend anyone to go for any refurbished items, unless you have make up your mind yourself.
OK, no problem. I'd just thought that you were having a hard time finding any PATA drive and this one is sitting idle and being wasted. I'm actually in the market for a cheap (free?) 320GB PATA 3.5" hard drive to go into an underused 3.5" USB external case matching a similar case and drive. Not that I really need the measly 320GB of storage, but that it's one of a pair of blue & chrome metal drive enclosures that I use for redundant backup of a particular data set. They look nice paired off in my row of three sets of paired off external drives but one of these blue ones has a 320GB drive and the other only has a 160GB drive and I've filled the smaller one.
Yeah, yeah, I know, silly rabbit "put the data on a bigger drive and dump the old, slow, tiny, drives", but they've been in that row for a decade and it's just the nostalgia and esthetics of the thing.
I'm not ready to throw them into the volcano yet.
I'm waiting for one of them to fail.
I sold my 2070S on ebay for more than I ended up paying for a new 3070 and that is over the RRP of the 3070, crazy times (I really wanted a 3080 but they are needed to mine bitcoin by others more resourcful than I)
Yeah, I notcied this with RAM prices. During the Summer, I could have bought a new 128GB/3200 DDR4 kit for $700. Now? 64GB kits are selling for $600. Pretty wild!
I'm working off a workstation that was manufactured in 2012 and have had it for nearly 4 years. It's a dual eight core Xeon with 64 gigs of ram, cost me 1000 bucks (with a 500 dollar 980ti-the cost at the time). It still meets my needs for the time being. When it comes time to get a new system, I'll do the same again if possible except perhaps this time I will spring for a used Quadro. Not sure on that yet. At any rate, I seem to be doing fine with what I've got for now ;). I may add 16 gigs of ram to my laptop (increasing to 32 gigs), but those are my only plans for now ;).
Laurie
It's also worth remembering that on Dec 31st,2020 some exemptions to the 25% tariff on components imported into the United States from China expired. Those tariffs are now included in the cost of those components.
Prices for Graphics Cards and Motherboards Go Up as US Tariffs Kick Back In | PCMag
It seems the only good news to buying an ots box right now is that you can actually get a 3000-series gc in it. I'm not seeing anything for sale like what @AllenArt describes, let alone at the price paid. Also, most of the reasonably affordable new machines I see for sale only have 16gb ram.
...just found a nice Lenovo notebook with a 256 GB SSD, 8 GB memory and an i5 CPU. Perfect for my needs and not only a good price but the seller is here in Portland so no shipping charges. Has W7 Pro and includes two new batteries, AC adapter, and carry bag.
I had the same question 3 years ago, following the 3D way investing more and more in hardware components for what?
... making renders than doesn't even my mom and wife have an interest?
I'm very happy with my old system, so old but I can still play Cyberpunk2077 in High Settings.
I just bought 14 new IdeaCenters 540s from Lenovo at $400 off, as a business reseller they couldn't offer me better then that promotion anyone can get. I wouldn't recommend them for iRay rendering though.
Newegg in the computer refurb section. :)
Not at the present time. Section contains only single processor boxes mostly with 16Gb ram.
I've just finished buying parts for a new DAZing machine and it has cost me a couple hundred more than I expected even after buying some of the parts on sale. I thought it was because this new machine is considerably "more better" than my last build. I didn't think about it but after comparing old receipts for corresponding parts, yeah, prices do seem to have gone up a bit since my last build a year ago.
Buy directly from a manufacturer. You'll be waiting in a queue to purchase, but at least you won't have to sell a kidney.
Hmmm... the math confuses me. 64+16 not equal to 32.
Do you presently have 16GB instead of 64GB? 
Oops, nevermind, I just reread and realized that you're talking about two different machines.
(*slinks away*)
Yeah, I've been watching the factors on the price increases, even though I built my current rig around this time last year:
Increased demand for systems for working from home or the need for options for home entertainment. Not just laptops anymore, but the whole range.
The tariffs are now hitting full force, and in such a way that it's literally cheaper (and easier with video cards) to buy something off the shelf completely assembled than to try to build it now. (I have 32GB of RAM, I was intending to buy another 32 to go in it, but since it's not really necessary, it's now on the back burner until all this is finally over.)
Reduced supply of components in certain areas, partly because of the unanticipated shifts in demand, partly because of supply chain disruptions due to lockdowns. This also drives up prices.
Cryptocurrencies are in another peak, which has massively increased the demand for graphics cards again because it's viable to mine it again. This is compounded by scalpers buying up what they can and reselling it at an obnoxious markup to those who need it right now because they can. I have another system in the house I'd like to upgrade the video card on (virtual pinball machine), and that is also on the back burner because I'm not spending that much on three year old technology (the upgrade would be to be able to run a playfield screen at 4K instead of HD 1080), and the cryptocurrency thing means that buying a used video card of any flavor is now an incredible gamble.
In other words, multiple factors have reduced supply (in some cases dramatically) and increased demand and have increased the prices that the market will bear now.
Price changes in Denmark, Europe for "CORSAIR Vengeance LPX - DDR4 - kit - 32 GB: 2 x 16" (lowest price found) - $ 1 = KR 6,10
https://www.newegg.com/p/1VK-001E-168F6?Item=9SIAC0F7VG8046
I'm not sure where you're looking, but I'm finding quite a few like I described. :)