windows 8.1 pro question

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  • R25SR25S Posts: 595
    edited October 2014


    .....
    Also...to the person who was talking about Corel Paintshop and Draw X5. The current versions are X7, but the X5 versions have been available for 2 years, which is the same length of time Windows 8 has been available. The X5 versions will work just fine on Windows 8.1. If you are having trouble, then there is something else wrong, it's not an incompatibility with Windows.


    If you take a look at the official Corel compatibility Page
    http://www.corel.com/us/corel-and-windows-8-compatibility/
    their is clearly stated that Windows 8 needs Corel Draw X6 and up and PaintShop X5 and up, Word Perfect X6 and up.

    So their is nothing else wrong.

    official statement from Corel:
    " CorelDRAW X5 was launched on January, 2010, and of course was not made for Windows 8 because still doesn't exist. The first release officially developed and certificated for Windows 8 is CorelDRAW X6.1 (the first release, X6, is also compatible but not certificated by Microsoft). "

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  • ModernWizardModernWizard Posts: 851
    edited December 1969

    Hello!

    You've asked a simple question, but there are a lot of complex issues at play here. I'll slice your original post apart and will try my best to answer each concern to the best of my ability. Please bear in mind that my answers ONLY refer to Windows on the "x86" architecture. You can think of this as a "regular desktop or laptop" type computer running an Intel i5 or i7 CPU or an AMD CPU.
    ...

    Okay, I'm exhausted now.

    Upgrading Windows to 8.1 may be a great idea if you want to get more life out of your old hardware. There's an upgrade advisor on the Microsoft site. Let the upgrade advisor tell you what needs to be done and whether you have any known incompatibilities.

    Hey Subtropic Pixel -- I just want to say thanks for your exhausting/exhaustive overview of PC specs as they relate to digital rendering use. I'm in the market soon for a much more powerful laptop that can handle the moderately complex stills I render. Your discussion of features, especially HDD size, amount of RAM and processor type, gives me a good idea of what to look for.

    P.S. I envy your desktop 64 GB of RAM!!!

    --MW

  • Sfariah DSfariah D Posts: 26,551
    edited December 1969

    Good news is that I am about to start a job on Monday. I am going to do research right now to see if I want Windows 8.1, but I will not make the decision lightly. I have gotten some windows 8 books from the library and going to look over them while I can have them out.


    I do not want to waste the money I could use on something else on Windows 8.1 until I am sure that I will use it and not convert back to Windows 7 Pro.

  • Sfariah DSfariah D Posts: 26,551
    edited December 1969

    I know that Windows 8 has an app store. Once an app is downloaded or bought can it be used on all windows 8 machines and windows tablets that belong to the same person?

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,770
    edited December 1969

    That's my understanding, yes - just log in to the system using the same credentials and your app store items should be available (hardware permitting).

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,673
    edited November 2014

    Everybody's probably already said the things I could say about 8.1, so since my opinion doesn't matter anyway here goes:

    If you don't like Windows7 then Windows8 will certainly be different and worse, unless you like dragging your fingers across your screen. Which is really kind of fun and convenient for changing apps, or turning off your system, but otherwise a waste of hardware. This of course assumes your new system has a touch sensitive screen. If not then the point is moot, just use a mouse.

    That being said, trying to run DAZ Studio or any other graphics intensive or complex detailed interface of any sort on a touch screen will still involve a mouse or pointing device or teeny-tiny fingers with fingernails that come to a point and have millimeter accuracy. Fortunately Windows8 (and 8.1) accommodate a mouse just as well or better as all Windows versions since Win95 and once you reach the "desktop" layout the behavior is pretty much the same as Windows7 (except for the START orb).

    If you're dependent on the features of the "START" icon or orb on the task bar at the bottom of the screen you're going to panic for the first few months. But be brave and poke around. Most of the familiar features are available somewhere, somehow. A $30 manual or diligent searching for info on the web will help. One help in this regard is to think of the START menu as having been replaced by that infernal start screen with 100 full sized, obtusely organized icons instead of a neat collapsing 100 element hierarchical menu. (Yeah, you can get a 3rd party app to try to give you back a real START menu, but who wants to clutter up their pristine system with freebie apps that hook deeply into your operating system?) My advice... learn how to navigate Windows8.1 natively, the way it was designed.

    As for a 2nd hard drive... Too much to discuss right now and somebody's probably covered the basics. So I'll bow out now.

    Edited to add:
    Oh, and if for some reason you find yourself with a system with the original Windows8 that had sat on the shelf for a year until they sold it to you, instead of Windows8.1, make sure you let it upgrade ASAP. You really really want 8.1. Remember the early versions of Vista? Yeah, that bad!

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  • Sfariah DSfariah D Posts: 26,551
    edited December 1969

    While looking for a trial of the Office 2013 I stumbled across a 90 day trial of Windows 8.1 ultimate but what is the difference between Windows 8.1 ultimate and the pro version?

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited December 1969

    It costs more to get annoyed by the interface?

  • bad4ubad4u Posts: 684
    edited November 2014

    Differences are mainly for networking in companies if I remember correct, and there is only a demo for W8.1 Enterprise available (this was the same for Win7). You can use the demo without problems, it does not have restrictions I think, but make sure you download from MS Technet not 3rd party sites.

    One thing you should be aware of - the demo will stop working after 3 months and cannot be converted to a full version by entering a legal serial number. You will defintely need to re-install your purchased version later (and probably anything else on the PC) !

    Before downloading check site carefully, last demo I know had to be installed/activated until Oct.31st, maybe there's a new version available meanwhile.

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  • SlimerJSpudSlimerJSpud Posts: 1,453
    edited December 1969

    While looking for a trial of the Office 2013 I stumbled across a 90 day trial of Windows 8.1 ultimate but what is the difference between Windows 8.1 ultimate and the pro version?

    I thought they did away with the "ultimate" version. That was W7. Be very careful of any downloads that claim to be windows that are NOT from microsoft.com.
  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,673
    edited December 1969

    chohole said:
    It costs more to get annoyed by the interface?

    But as pointed out by others, the "Enterprise" version of Windows8.1 (equivalent to Windows7 "Ultimate") has features primarily useful for large office environments where they connect to large servers and assign privileges and applications to various people groups with differing needs, and the systems are maintained by a small staff of technicians who manage system upgrades and software changes from a central location. The extra features of "Ultimate" are not things that are needed by a typical home or even small office environment.

    The less sophisticated "Pro" version has a few extra networking or security features that might be useful for a knowledgeable user in his home especially if the user has more than one computer in the home that he uses to exchange data with. Also, the "Pro" version is needed if you expect to connect across the Internet to your business office environment and exchange data from your business computers.

    There is a still less sophisticated version than the "Pro" but I haven't paid attention to what it is called, let's call it for the sake of argument the "standard" version. It is probably OK for the typical home user with only one computer who uses the Internet but doesn't exchange much data with his other home computers. It should be able to run sophisticated graphics programs just as well as the "Pro" version as long as your computer has enough memory.

    As I finish this little essay, I remember that there might be a difference in the amount of memory supported by the "Ultimate", "Pro", and "standard" versions. I do know that the "Pro" version supports at least 8GB (and probably 16GB) of memory but the "Ultimate" version supports much more, let's say 64GB. But I don't know the exact numbers for sure.

    There might be more information here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_8_editions

  • Sfariah DSfariah D Posts: 26,551
    edited December 1969

    for windows 8.1 do I have to use my stupid Hotmail account as my user account?

  • bad4ubad4u Posts: 684
    edited December 1969

    Nope. At least not for the full version, not sure for the demo. The full version asks twice for onine account information, I think, but then it offers to go on with local account.

  • bad4ubad4u Posts: 684
    edited November 2014

    Few more information on the 'numbers' ;)

    Even the standard version of WIndows 8 supports up to 128GB physical RAM if you have 64bit version, Pro should support 512GB, only the 32bit versions are limited to 4GB (which is the same with Win7).

    When it comes to details on differences between standard and Pro versions, the things that might affect non corporate users the most, would be only Pro including encryption solution Bitlocker and Bitlocker To Go (best alternative for e.g. full system disc encryption now that TrueCrypt officially is obsolete - though TC still working with Win8 if you have the older installer) and Hyper-V (hardware accelarated/assisted virtualization solution, if processor supports it, like most newer i core do). These are not available on Win8.1 (standard), only on Pro.

    And you should know that Windows Media Center is no longer part of Windows like it was with Win7, and needs additional purchase if you need it (it was free the first months when I got it).

    Still I'd say wait for Win10, there is NO reason to switch from 7 to 8 if not for the touch functionality. There's a demo for Win10 available too, I think.

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  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,770
    edited December 1969

    bad4u said:
    Still I'd say wait for Win10, there is NO reason to switch from 7 to 8 if not for the touch functionality. There's a demo for Win10 available too, I think.

    A public(ish) beta, not a demo - it's a while before it's going to be ready, though initial comments have been much more favourable than with 8.

  • SpottedKittySpottedKitty Posts: 7,232
    edited December 1969

    A public(ish) beta, not a demo - it's a while before it's going to be ready, though initial comments have been much more favourable than with 8.

    They'd almost have to be... :cheese:

    Here's hoping MS at least think about things this time, and don't use too much of a Win8 look-and-feel. I'm happy enough for now with Win7.

  • Robert FreiseRobert Freise Posts: 4,481
    edited November 2014

    Poser 2014 Game Developer seems to be running fine as is Studio

    Having just recently moved to Win 8.1 I'm finding it somewhat annoying at the moment due to unfamiliarity

    I liked Win 7 Ultimate until it developed a problem that called for a repair and it informed me that I needed a newer version of the Windows
    repair tools that come with the OS seems that the repair disks that I made using my Win 7 were no longer any good due to Windows Updates

    Gave me message to upgrade my Windows to newer version

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  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,673
    edited November 2014

    bad4u said:
    Few more information on the 'numbers' ;)

    Even the standard version of WIndows 8 supports up to 128GB physical RAM if you have 64bit version, Pro should support 512GB, ....

    WOW!! 8-O

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  • Sfariah DSfariah D Posts: 26,551
    edited December 1969

    Is there any free software for Windows 8 that can uutilize a tv turner and put the tv channels on the computer? I know there was one built into Windows 7 but not Windows 8.

  • Robert FreiseRobert Freise Posts: 4,481
    edited December 1969

    This isn't free but you might want to check it out
    My cousin's nephew use's it and said it was worth while

    http://mytvforfree.com/

  • Sfariah DSfariah D Posts: 26,551
    edited December 1969

    This isn't free but you might want to check it out
    My cousin's nephew use's it and said it was worth while

    http://mytvforfree.com/

    Looks good and I think I might try it out, Thanks!

    Actually I have a tv tuner card which allows me to connect my cable tv to my computer.

  • Robert FreiseRobert Freise Posts: 4,481
    edited December 1969

    If it's from hauppauge you can download the software for it here

    http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/prods.html

  • bad4ubad4u Posts: 684
    edited November 2014

    You can get WIndows Media Center back for WIndows 8.1 with a feature upgrade. For Windows 8.1 Pro that is only $9.99 ('Media Center Pack') , but for Windows 8.1 (Standard) it would be $99.99 including the upgrade from Win 8.1 standard to Win 8.1 Pro then ('Pro Pack').

    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/feature-packs

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  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,979
    edited December 1969

    bad4u said:
    Few more information on the 'numbers' ;)

    Even the standard version of WIndows 8 supports up to 128GB physical RAM if you have 64bit version, Pro should support 512GB, only the 32bit versions are limited to 4GB (which is the same with Win7).

    Reminds me of my first PC, a 66 Mhz DX2 Olivetti. Despite the norm was about 1 MB RAM at that time, it could actually take 128 MB. Upgrading to 4 MB cost me about $700. Probably won't be long before 128 GB is the norm.

  • SlimerJSpudSlimerJSpud Posts: 1,453
    edited December 1969

    Taozen said:
    bad4u said:
    Few more information on the 'numbers' ;)

    Even the standard version of WIndows 8 supports up to 128GB physical RAM if you have 64bit version, Pro should support 512GB, only the 32bit versions are limited to 4GB (which is the same with Win7).

    Reminds me of my first PC, a 66 Mhz DX2 Olivetti. Despite the norm was about 1 MB RAM at that time, it could actually take 128 MB. Upgrading to 4 MB cost me about $700. Probably won't be long before 128 GB is the norm.
    We have Linux based servers at work with 1.5TB of RAM. They also have 40 or 60 CPU cores to go with that...

  • ANGELREAPER1972ANGELREAPER1972 Posts: 4,518
    edited December 2014

    recently I upgraded to a new laptop Acer Aspire V 17 Nitro with W8, pretty powerful machine and yes will run Daz 4.6 though now upgraded to 4.7. Also have Paintshop Pro X4 which is outdated X7 current version out. One thing about PSP X4 on this when I shut it down I can't start it up again unless I restart my computer other than that runs it fine. W8 seems to be backwards compatible with older stuff of course some have to convert to compatibility mode. When you restart your computer you have to sign in with your microsoft account to access it can't seem to find any way to turn that off or to use different type of sign in. And the way everything is set up is different to xp, vista or 7 maybe confusing at first but you said you use tablets so that may be same I haven't used those
    oh and I also have Poser 10 still haven't really looked at it but that has been crashing when tried doing something though not sure if it's w8 or stuff I've downloaded or something else but daz works fine

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  • SlimerJSpudSlimerJSpud Posts: 1,453
    edited December 1969

    recently I upgraded to a new laptop Acer Aspire V 17 Nitro with W8, pretty powerful machine and yes will run Daz 4.6 though now upgraded to 4.7. Also have Paintshop Pro X4 which is outdated X7 current version out. One thing about PSP X4 on this when I shut it down I can't start it up again unless I restart my computer other than that runs it fine. W8 seems to be backwards compatible with older stuff of course some have to convert to compatibility mode. When you restart your computer you have to sign in with your microsoft account to access it can't seem to find any way to turn that off or to use different type of sign in. And the way everything is set up is different to xp, vista or 7 maybe confusing at first but you said you use tablets so that may be same I haven't used those
    oh and I also have Poser 10 still haven't really looked at it but that has been crashing when tried doing something though not sure if it's w8 or stuff I've downloaded or something else but daz works fine

    I've seen the same issue with PSP not shutting down properly. You don't have to reboot, you just need to use Task Manager to kill the zombie Corel Paint Shop Pro process. That works for me.
  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,979
    edited December 1969

    When you restart your computer you have to sign in with your microsoft account to access it can't seem to find any way to turn that off or to use different type of sign in.

    Here's how to replace the Microsoft login with a local login:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZlZo1buK3s

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,979
    edited December 1969


    I've seen the same issue with PSP not shutting down properly. You don't have to reboot, you just need to use Task Manager to kill the zombie Corel Paint Shop Pro process. That works for me.

    I'm having the same problem with DS on a certain PC (I know of others having it too). It went away with one of the recent versions, but then came back in the next and is still there.

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