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That film illustrates so clearly why there are so many more people in the subjective careers. Marketing, management, economics, politics, arts, fashion, sales, etc. It's so much easier to bluff your way through life. Whereas objective careers like engineering, rocket science, physics & mathematics, construction etc., all have pesky rules of nature and exacting standards of success to deal with as well as the people around them with the subjective careers! 8-s
Pure hobbyist here. No formal training in art or photography, though I dabble in both. Just a Silicon Valley guy doing Technical stuff for a medium-sized software company. COBOL??? We have former COBOL jockeys on this forum? Sheesh! Now that's ancient. Never touched the stuff. I'm not really a programmer, but I am quite adept at scripting in Tcl, Perl and others. Some of the more obscure/arcane languages I've messed with are Ada, REXX, and Sentry20. If you know what a Sentry is, you're a Silicon nerd like me! :lol:
My other hobby centers around a 4-wheeled mistress who lives in the garage and drinks 110 Octane Leaded racing fuel...
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Well, yeah, I've done COBOL in my time. Also programmed ISPF/PDF at one point. I got started doing 1440 Autocoder to PL/I conversions.
I got to hear Admiral Hopper twice at local DPMA meetings; she had a fascinating coverage of the Navy COBOL compatibility analysis program at the first meeting, spent the second (about two years later) covering the need for faster systems. She brought in a wad of nanoseconds (11+ inch wires) and said she couldn't carry her millisecond around anymore - to heavy. And that we could get all the picoseconds we wanted by setting a pepper grinder to coarse and grinding away.
And for really obscure languages, over and above ISPF/PDF - I've done B (the predecessor to C), BPL (Burroughs Programming Language - an algol-like block structured assembler) and MACROL (Assembler language for the Raytheon PTS-1200, an 'intelligent' terminal cluster controller).
I first got interested in 3D back when I joined the ACM and subscribed to the Sig-Graph interest group - and gave it up when I realized the outfit I was working for would never spring for that kind of computing power. And then I got the flyer for Poser, version 1, and tried to figure out the appeal of a program that would let you pose, on your computer, a wooden artist's mannikin. Fast forward a couple of years and someone in a web forum I was reading mentioned that poser 6 was out, Amazon had poser 4 on sale for peanuts and it would be useable for upgrade pricing to poser 6 - and DAZ was releasing both Vicky 3 and Michael 3 for free.
I've been hooked ever since.
I like COBOL.
000100 IDENTIFICATION DIVISION.
000200 PROGRAM-ID. HELLOWORLD.
000300
000400*
000500 ENVIRONMENT DIVISION.
000600 CONFIGURATION SECTION.
000700 SOURCE-COMPUTER. RM-COBOL.
000800 OBJECT-COMPUTER. RM-COBOL.
000900
001000 DATA DIVISION.
001100 FILE SECTION.
001200
100000 PROCEDURE DIVISION.
100100
100200 MAIN-LOGIC SECTION.
100300 BEGIN.
100400 DISPLAY " " LINE 1 POSITION 1 ERASE EOS.
100500 DISPLAY "Hello world!" LINE 15 POSITION 10.
100600 STOP RUN.
100700 MAIN-LOGIC-EXIT.
100800 EXIT.
I once got to translate a COBOL program into FORTRAN, and I never learned COBOL.
I am a factory shitkicker on a picking line
Nail technician here,was finding fairy pictures on the internet ,to help with my sculpting hobby ,when one of the pictures pointed me at DAZ Studio.
And I thought this was great for creating my own models to sculpt .......unfortunately I turn into a DAZaddict instead .......well on the plus side ,thanks to playing with DAZ Studio I've learned to use my computer better ,and it satisfies my hoarding urge but stores neatly in a 5"x8" space ........
I am an IT consultant who does tech support for a living.
I was an art major with graphic design training and have drawn since I was a kid. 3d has allowed me to continue my interest in art- after I injured my elbow and developed RSI in my thumb, and hand.
I like windows computers and enjoy 3d illustration.
8-o Oh! Verrry interesting. What types of fascinating things happen during your work day?
COBOL !! I was a programmer for nearly 40 years from the 60's. The only course I ever took in programming was COBOL and I never used it, outside of the class. I learned FORTRAN, PL1, Pascal, ALGOL, C and many assemblers on the job. At one time in the mid-70's I was one of the foremost experts in programming a Raytheon 706 minicomputer. But considering that there were only about 12 of them in the world, that wasn't much of a feat. And it wasn't much of a computer either by today's standards but I did wire wrap some connections and link it to another computer to create my first network and invent my first communication protocol.
I like COBOL.
000100 IDENTIFICATION DIVISION.
000200 PROGRAM-ID. HELLOWORLD.
000300
000400*
000500 ENVIRONMENT DIVISION.
000600 CONFIGURATION SECTION.
000700 SOURCE-COMPUTER. RM-COBOL.
000800 OBJECT-COMPUTER. RM-COBOL.
000900
001000 DATA DIVISION.
001100 FILE SECTION.
001200
100000 PROCEDURE DIVISION.
100100
100200 MAIN-LOGIC SECTION.
100300 BEGIN.
100400 DISPLAY " " LINE 1 POSITION 1 ERASE EOS.
100500 DISPLAY "Hello world!" LINE 15 POSITION 10.
100600 STOP RUN.
100700 MAIN-LOGIC-EXIT.
100800 EXIT.
I think this is why COBOL is considered as obsolete as Blue-Dot Flashcubes. :lol:
Tcl (Tool Command Language) is pronounced "tickle". Invariably, every beginning Tcl scripter writes their first script and calls it test.tcl:
#!/usr/bin/tclsh
puts "Hello world!"
Unless I'm mistaken, this does the same as the COBOL above. :-P Of course, if it was written in Ada, it would take 300 lines...
8-o Oh! Verrry interesting. What types of fascinating things happen during your work day?
none, just a bunch of bitchy people who think I am stupider than them picking orders and trying to make everyone else look worse than them.
I modeled the line btw and started to do a video but it just depresses me everytime I open the project so I close it and find something fun to render.
none, just a bunch of bitchy people who think I am stupider than them picking orders and trying to make everyone else look worse than them.
Oh! OK. :-|
Not knowing what kind of factory produced shit, and why it would need to be kicked, and totally befuddled as to why in the world it would need to be picked, I just assumed there was the basis for an illuminating and entertaining story. Perhaps it could be turned into a dark children's book (i.e. "Oscar and Gonzo visit the Fecal Factory")
One wonders if there would be much employee theft at such a factory.
I'm freaking out here visualizing acres of factory floor with rows of mechanical machines that look like cauliflower plants producing firm heads of brown product, to be kicked loose then picked, wrapped, and boxed for delivery to obscure foreign ports. Perhaps the military has found a use for fecal matter as non-lethal weapons? Would they be called "f-bombs"?
A video would be most fascinating!!! 8-s
And as for the fellow employees that bug you... Don't let the little people around you get you down. Just gather stories for your tell-all book and smile wickedly.
After four years of engineering college I worked in a car wash for a while and was the butt of all jokes from fellow employees who had trouble using a zipper. Years later I worked for 10 years as low man on the totem pole in a technology think-tank. I had a Bachelor's degree but everybody else in the department had a Doctorate or two. 8-( It's all relative.
After 40 years of education, interesting technical career, and world travel I've now retired to the little town I grew up in, and find that the people who never left here are always shorter than my jokes which fly right over their heads, and they have absolutely no sense of irony. Furthermore, I think they believe that the universe is a circle about 50 miles in diameter. I wanted to say "sphere" but I tried that word on them once and got a blank look and had to explain it and spell it. So I just gather stories and smile a lot.
We have a new library building in town. I've been thinking of donating some of my book collection to them, but I'm not sure the shelves are high enough for a book with a hard cover, and they'd have to create a non-fiction category in the card catalog.
The public clock standing in the park in the middle of town has been wrong for 6 months. Not stopped, wrong! Off by hours. So it's not even right twice a day! I think the locals read its shadow instead of the face.
A full-time PA in the new year!
I was a design student, but had to drop out because of health issues.
Wow! Very informative indeed!
Yeah, rendering is the era before quantum computer!
I think I have seen kinds of that, too! Quite a bit more than 100% sure :-D
To all me fellow 'golden oldie' coders, have any of you seen the 2dgoggles site, by Sydney Padua? Go read it, especially the stories, but be prepare to have giggling fits! :)
This thread is jaw-dropping DAZ talk for me! Most of you guys are really cool! I have COBOL background, too. But as a student, not professional. I'm a professional writer who have not much knowledge in art. And you don't know it. It feels like a complete writer when you can do illustrations by yourself (you fellow writers should understand this clearly :-D )
I'm retired now but my career was as a chemical engineer doing process and technology development. My interest in 3D art is a good fit as you have to think in 3D to understand how molecules interact and go together. The very first computer program I bought was a 3D one: Apple World for Apple II+. I've been playing around with 3D programs ever since.
My first job after High School was Janitor's Assistant. :sick: Never mind that I was headed for an Engineering career, there I was at a USDA research laboratory doing latrine duty. When I pointed out to them that I had done some volunteer work in an X-ray Crystallography lab the year before, they did transfer me to that part of the lab. They wanted somebody to build physical models of molecules from Crystallography data. 3D visualization was still a wet dream at that point, so there I was taking their data, running it through a FORTRAN program I patched up and then building them a physical model in 3D. The way those models were built was to manually plot out the X-Y coordinates on two pieces of Plexiglass, drill holes at those locations, bolt them together with the right amount of distance in between, then string fishing line between the planes. The atoms were little styrofoam balls placed on the strings at the correct Z distance from the bottom plane. The styrofoam balls were painted in colors familiar to the chemists. Why not use stick models, you ask? Because this method gave them a model that corresponded exactly to their data. A stick model would have put things at an angle that was assumed to be correct. The whole point of crystallography was to experimentally verify theoretical predictions of bond angles in complex molecules.
So, if you think you have a lousy job with rotten people who have the contents of their heads and a**es in the wrong place, just remember, it could always be worse! You could be their Janitor's Assistant...
I've been a hairdresser for over 30 years and a graphics artist on the side....
graphic artist turned corporate IT specialist. I've also played in rock/funk/blues bands and did a few album covers and magazine cover art work and can walk with 10 cats on my head.
I am a Safety Engineer for the government. I also have a commercial art and design background. 3D is my number one hobby, but in my next life I will make it my profession.
I've worked many jobs over the years, art has always been a passion and hobby for me. I'm finally at the point where I'd like to be a serious artist, and maybe work an odd job here and there as a hobby.
Wendy, what kind of factory? I've worked in a couple of computer assembly lines and have done nearly every job there that didn't require a degree. Kit/Parts was the least fun for me.
My very first job was doing sanitation at a meat packing plant.
OK, I stand outdone in the yucky first job department! :lol:
While in college, I had a summer job at a genuinely horrible little engineering company. They had me doing some soldering with Cadmium brazing spelter. The only safety procedure I was given was, "Don't breathe that stuff." :gulp: They also had me and another intern taking delivery of gas cylinders at the back of the plant. The truck driver was in too much of a hurry to use the lift gate. He would walk a 3000 psi gas cylinder out to the back of the truck, then drop it straight down to the ground. We were supposed to stand there and keep it from tipping over when it landed. We were told if it tipped over and knocked off the valve, it would go through a brick wall like it was tissue paper. If the cylinders had had any cracks in them, well let's just say they would have had problems figuring out whose limbs were whose...
Kadix, thank you so much for your post!
OK, I stand outdone in the yucky first job department! :lol:
While in college, I had a summer job at a genuinely horrible little engineering company. They had me doing some soldering with Cadmium brazing spelter. The only safety procedure I was given was, "Don't breathe that stuff." :gulp: They also had me and another intern taking delivery of gas cylinders at the back of the plant. The truck driver was in too much of a hurry to use the lift gate. He would walk a 3000 psi gas cylinder out to the back of the truck, then drop it straight down to the ground. We were supposed to stand there and keep it from tipping over when it landed. We were told if it tipped over and knocked off the valve, it would go through a brick wall like it was tissue paper. If the cylinders had had any cracks in them, well let's just say they would have had problems figuring out whose limbs were whose...
Oh that's not stressful at all. jeez.
That reminds me that at the packing plant none of the chemicals were labeled- everything was titled by color. Except bleach, since everyone knows what that is.
none, just a bunch of bitchy people who think I am stupider than them picking orders and trying to make everyone else look worse than them.
...been there.
Former (underpaid) client account manger and warehouse schlep. Job eliminated after company was bought out and restructured (resulting in that client going elsewhere). Been doing odd and temp stuff since until I either win the Magbucks or finally qualify for SS retirement (whichever comes first)
Did coding in back in the the paper tape/punched card age with my last programming stint almost a quarter century ago. Burned out on it as it pretty much started to demand too much of my life.
Working on writing and illustration using 3D CG not so much to make a living but just to tell a couple stories that have been rattling around in my head for a while.