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And there you have it exactly. Who turns up on that splash page looking for a new and very likely free or cheap program vs who already is willing to invest in a more complex and diverse program? New Users. Marketing is aimed at a target groups and those pages are aimed at people who are new to 3d not at Carrara or Bryce or even studio users for that mater. Marketing regularly does promos for Carrara with sales and that is when people who are ready for a new challenge are more likely to look at it.
Well I was actually looking for a 3D design program when I first found DAZ on google, and AFAIR both Carrara and Hexagon were mentioned on the front page back then (2008) and they went on my list of candidates. Didn't know about DAZ Studio then and it wasn't what I was looking for. If Carrara and Hex had been difficult to find on their site I might not have been aware of them and moved on.
I don't use the DIM, as I like to decide where the stuff gets installed and not predetermined by DAZ.
So how do I add DS4.7 Pro to cart and download the 64-bit version only, Richard? Riddle me that, as your store keeps wanting me to install the DIM.
?...You pick where you install stuff with DIM
I'm fussy about installing things I can do myself, especially when it only serves to collect data on what is installed, Frank. Call me paranoid. :p
It don't collect any data either.
I do not believe you... and i'm not the only one there either.
I don't use the DIM, as I like to decide where the stuff gets installed and not predetermined by DAZ.
So how do I add DS4.7 Pro to cart and download the 64-bit version only, Richard? Riddle me that, as your store keeps wanting me to install the DIM.
https://www.daz3d.com/downloader/customer/files#prod_13176
The blue download buttons don't need DIM. There should be one each for 32/64, Mac/Win.
Thanks Richard, that's what I was looking for.
If anyone wants to find the truth, they can monitor the traffic between DIM and the DAZ servers and see exactly what DIM sends out. The size of the outgoing packets alone should allay their fears.
How do you know the stand-alone installers aren't spying on you?
If anyone wants to find the truth, they can monitor the traffic between DIM and the DAZ servers and see exactly what DIM sends out. The size of the outgoing packets alone should allay their fears.
How do you know the stand-alone installers aren't spying on you?
there would be some who think DAZ studio etc spies on them noting their content usage habits how many times they have loaded anatomy etc . . . :lol:
I know it does not as whenever they suggest items it is way off the mark with my buying habits
but
I DO have a software installed with DRM on content, iClone, it has never been an issue but know some have had problems with site ofline for content verification on very very rare occasions. You can certainly work offline but new stuff must be installed online.
Dear Paranoid,
Yeah, me too. I grab the manual downloads, then either unzip them (when available) or run the standard installers. I don't do a lot of twiddly stuff with the files but just unzip them in their own separate temporary folder then move the folders from within the resultant "content" folders to "MyLibrary". Maybe it works OK now but I fought with the DIM and lost big when it was first available. As my father used to say, "Once bitten, twice shy." Or "Trust is easily given only once".
And something I used to say when instructing engineers on how to write good software documents, "People have faith in the manual until they find the first error."
Started with Bryce and Carrara when they were first selling at DAZ. I know Carrara very well and was thinking about making products for it. But if new customers can't even see it (or Bryce, Hexagon) without word of mouth or special searching, then it takes away most of the incentive to create anything for sale.
Studio Pro, Bryce Pro, Carrara Pro, Hexagon Pro are all displayed just fine as shown from the link; "DAZ Free 3D Software" in DAZ's YouTube channel(DAZ Prod). So why not have at least a similar, although larger, link on the new site home page?
It seems maybe the right information is not getting to the marketing team, cause in many ways, DAZ is losing money not displaying these programs up front. Especially when they all have features to use most of the store content.
EDIT:...by "most of the store content" I mean by way of Studio bridges, importing various file extensions etc.
Doubtful. If anyone has the metrics on who turns up at the DAZ store, where they came from and why they looked here the first time it would be marketing. They have the information and with that information they crafted the pages that they believe will draw in the largest number of new users. I should point out that marketing has done a very good job of growing not just sales but the volume of new users who enter the market.
Might DAZ miss out on a couple of people who would be willing to pay for Carrara before they know anything at all about 3d? Maybe, but I can't imagine that there is any chance that those lost couple of hundred bucks out weighs what they see as potential sales of content. Nor does a door close to new users wanting to make those purchases later so those possible Carrara sales are not lost forever in most cases.
DAZ is not the sort of company that blindly flings things out there without any research or stats to back up what they want to do. In fact they are pretty obsessed with keeping track of the information available them.
*Thumbs up*
Couldn't have said it better myself, Gryph.
Take a look sometime at the packets your browser sends when you download manually. Far more personal details about your system than DIM does.
Does my browser send significantly more personal system details when downloading manually than it does when I press the "Submit Post" button on this reply? If so, why?
Does my browser send significantly more personal system details when downloading manually than it does when I press the "Submit Post" button on this reply? If so, why?
No, I just referred to downloading manually as it was in comparison to downloading using DIM. It's the same system details as when you use your browser anywhere.
Thanks, Mike. I realised what you doing there with the cheeky comparison and just wanted it clarified that this was normal browser activity.
As it happens, I don't have any suspicions about the technical behaviour of DAZ Install Manager. But I do have a feeling that one idea behind DIM is to get customers used to the normality of the two way connection, in readiness for DAZ testing the water with a rental approach to business.
This thread has been inadvertently helpful to me in confirming that I can go ahead with the old manual rhythm method rather than go all automatic for the people. And I ought to get on with it. I've been buying stuff from you guys for months and haven't downloaded a thing yet because I've been too busy working to get going again with the old 3D hobby.
I've never claimed to be not insane. ;-)
I think that would be way more trouble than they will want to deal with for a very long time. Don't forget that the brunt of products in the store are owned by PA's and getting 400 or so diverse individuals on board would be.. a stretch. Then there would be the accounting nightmare of sorting out payments for each of those individuals on a monthly basis. That is already pretty complex as it is without throwing in partial monthly payments and so forth.
DIM was mainly intended as the way for DAZ to sort the mess they had with installers (old Mac installers not working on OSX, very old Windows installer not intended for DS use, no common install experience as they used various packaging softwares along the years, requirements checks badly implemented like the search for "Poser.exe" when you install V4 into Poser...) and at the same time provide users who didn't want installers with zips.
It also makes updates more easy to manage for them (compressing a folder takes way less time than creating 2 custom installers from it) and for customers.