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Not every price increased I think, the Gen 5 products are the same price (at least they were the last time I looked). However all the Gen 6 pro packs went up 10$, and a number of other PA and DO products did as well.
My Genesis figures did not change their prices. Considering how many I got for free with qualifying purchases...
I can also see hairstyles varying just a bit, but being noticeably more expensive.
The prices are really off putting for me as well.
As many have said, this is just a hobby.
Sure it is fun, but none of it is necessary.
I think DAZ is crossing the line into necessary pricing.
Mistake.
I did a calculation on the amount of DAZ orders based on order numbers from my own account, during a private discussion a while ago, just updated it with year 2014. Provided I've calculated correctly (I've double checked), it looks like this, approximately:
2009 - 1.178.000
2010 - 1.213.000
2011 - 1.148.000
2012-01-01 to 2012-05.14 - 810.000
Store updated to Magento
2012-05-14 to 2012-12-31 - 482.000
2013 - 900.000
2014 - 910.000
The disastrous Magento update obviously had a huge impact - the number of orders during the last half of 2012 is close to half the number during the first half. And it's sort of stuck at that level, since. So the problem is probably not higher costs, but less income.
Of course you can't judge sales precisely by the number of orders but I guess it gives you a clue about how things have evolved. Hard to tell if it's bad - depends on how status was before.
As for the prices in general, I think they're everything between heavily overpriced to heavily underpriced, based on the estimated time it takes to create them. Just purchased a tutorial on sale with a normal price of $20, I could probably have written it in a couple of days. Other stuff which may take two weeks to make goes for less than $10.
Also, these days sales have become the norm rather than the exception, so they have to raise the normal prices to compensate for the loss. It's a stupid game IMO, but that's how most business is today, unfortunately.
Yup, yup... And consider the Europeans. They don't have dollars as the native currency. Exchange rates...
I agree with you entirely Taozen and have noticed a similar trend in my own purchases.
However, I do want to add one wrinkle / thought to your post.
Not all of the issues can be blamed on the website itself. Simple things like indecipherable, misprinted or just missing sale descriptions are symptomatic of a non-technical, non-website related higher order problem.
But then I have ranted about this for a while now, so I will spare everyone a re-tread of my insanity.
That's true, but DAZ has been pricing for sales for years, this game didn't suddenly start this January.
DAZ never discussed the reasons with us, so all I can assume is that their old content suddenly got better.
Yup, yup... And consider the Europeans. They don't have dollars as the native currency. Exchange rates...
And the $ price has gone up considerably (about 20% where I am) during the last few months.
That's true, but DAZ has been pricing for sales for years, this game didn't suddenly start this January.
Sure, but prices of many DO items have also gone up gradually over the last few years.
Yes, but from the customer's perspective that just becomes another malfunction of the site, I think. Most people don't care why something doesn't work or makes sense, all that matters is that it doesn't work as it should.
I like her. However like most new releases these days I will have to wait for a really good sale the cost of the bundles are at a prohibitive price for me now.
But all that means is I might actually get to use what is already in my runtime. :cheese:
The price does now reflect the PC reduction (51% off) but I do not see the 20% off reduction that the ones who bought this set should receive:
http://www.daz3d.com/lost-temples-el-dorado
EDIT:
The 20% off reduction mentioned above does now apply to the price.
A very big thank you to the store Dept. and to Crissie in particular... :)
I've bought every Gen6 pro bundle so far, but I might have to wishlist Keiko for now. Her Pro bundle gives you slightly less items for a slightly higher price (compared to the other Gen6 pro bundles thus far) and I already have Aiko. The hair products look really nice though ...
Wait the market. Everything ends up on sale here eventually.
Same for me. :shut:
I'm was well aware of that when I posted... close to a half hour after the product was supposed to be up and active. I just find it incredible that they've been unable to get these pricing bugs fixed in the "newer, more improved" store that doesn't work as well as the "new, improved" store that it replaced, which in turn didn't work as well as the store that IT replaced. I'm really at the point where I really wish I could log on to DAZ3d.com and be taken to an ebay store, because at least then things would work.
On the other hand, it did make it really darn easy to decide not to put Keiko in the basket.
The thing is, this may be the most redundant set of bundles yet, as outside of the hairs, it looks like Keiko comes with very little that we don't already have. Let's see, there's ANOTHER maid uniform, ANOTHER school girl uniform, ANOTHER generic jumpsuit-battle outfit... and not only do the Pro and Mega-manga bungles not come with gens, the only product that uses the new Keiko 6 UV is Keiko herself. What is the point of that?
The thing is, this may be the most redundant set of bundles yet, as outside of the hairs, it looks like Keiko comes with very little that we don't already have. Let's see, there's ANOTHER maid uniform, ANOTHER school girl uniform, ANOTHER generic jumpsuit-battle outfit... and not only do the Pro and Mega-manga bungles not come with gens, the only product that uses the new Keiko 6 UV is Keiko herself. What is the point of that?
Mind you, most of the items in the bundles is - drums - NOT SKIMPY!!! That's a much-needed change. The reason for not including the genitalia is that Keiko is classified as adolescent. Giselle, Brodie and Belle didn't get them either. Even coming-of-age Josie and Jayden didn't.
Both the maid and the school girl sets are modest. I'm impressed. This was something we were missing.
Mind you, most of the items in the bundles is - drums - NOT SKIMPY!!! That's a much-needed change. The reason for not including the genitalia is that Keiko is classified as adolescent. Giselle, Brodie and Belle didn't get them either. Even coming-of-age Josie and Jayden didn't.
Both the maid and the school girl sets are modest. I'm impressed. This was something we were missing.
Um... maybe if you've been living in the DAZ-verse for too long, you might think that. I'll grant you that the school dress covers about the same amount of leg as the DAZ and Oscarson versions for Genesis versions, but it's considerably shorter than Dogz much more accurate Time For School for G2F, which also gave you a more moderate equivalent to Sirra Style for the same buck. And the Maid outfit isn't as fan service-y as some, though it's still more suited for an episode of Benny Hill than real domestic service. On the other hand, the Shinjuku outfit isn't just ridiculously cut, it's also translucent, and if you've knuckledl down for the "mega" bundle, the battlesuit joins the long list of ridiculous DAZ combat wear that fails to cover the most vital parts of the anatomy, and the ninja outfit manages the double whammy of being neither period accurate or practical for the purpose of actually doing what ninjas do...
Sanjuro: "Koji, do you see any sign of ninjas? Remember, they wear dark outfits and masks to hide in the shadows."
Koji: "No sir. I haven't see any ninjas lurking out there in the darkness. I mean, sure, I've seen a girl's arms, head and belly floating around a few times, but no ninjas..."
I think you're forgetting that Keiko is intended as an anime-styled figure. The maid outfit isn't designed for domestic service, it's intended for fan service. As for it being 'considerably shorter', that's incorrect. It's the exact same length by default. It actually includes morphs to lengthen it, so at full size it's also longer than Dogz' Time for School skirt.
I own both and have run a side by side comparison. See the renders below for results.
So, no. The outfits aren't periodically accurate nor domestically so, but they were never intended to be. The outfits were designed around the character concept which, given anime's penchant for the weird, wacky and wonderful isn't going to be anywhere close to reality. Does that make them less desirable? Not really. Given that the majority of renders made are already intended for fan service of one kind or another (it's why skimp wear sells so well), it's a fairly safe move on Daz's part.
1 - I was comparing the Time for School to the School Girl outfit, not the Maid Dress. Apples to apples.
2. Of course the maid dress, ninja outfit, etc. are intended for fan service and completely impractical. I was simply attempting to parse out some kind of rationalization process that could lead to the previous poster's comments that the outfits in the K6 bundle were LESS skimpy than the usual DAZ product and that the school girl and maid outfits were modest. Hence the reason I started with:
"maybe if you’ve been living in the DAZ-verse for too long, you might think..."
Yup, yup... And consider the Europeans. They don't have dollars as the native currency. Exchange rates...
...and in some cases a V.A.T.
...and in some cases a V.A.T.
Don't forget us Aussies! Aussie dollar not looking good against the US dollar right now - which has definitely curtailed my spending.
...I agree with others, raising the prices of the base figures (and with Keiko, making the basic poses that were normally included, into an add on) is beginning to price this "hobby" out of the reach of more and more. Discretionary income for the average household has gone down as many who are finally back to work are earning less (in some cases far less) than they did eight to ten years ago. Meanwhile, prices for 'the essentials" have continued to increase.
So beginning with Kieko, it appears all new figures will no longer include the basic pose set as in the past. What next, the basic texture maps so all you get for 45$ is a grey body shape which, because it has its own custom UV set, will not work well with other skin maps in one's library/runtime?
The gender split with G2 I can understand and accept, but recent moves like this and making individual UV sets for each figure, appear to be heading more towards a "nickle and dime" strategy..
...and in some cases a V.A.T.
Don't forget us Aussies! Aussie dollar not looking good against the US dollar right now - which has definitely curtailed my spending.
...same here for us low income folks as like I mentioned prices for everything else keep going up and up so we have less and less to spend. Every week I go to the grocery market, I see higher and higher prices than the week before. Utility bills, transportation, and bugger, taxes always seem to go up and up while the income doesn't. Leaves little for anything enjoyable in life like going to the cinema, popping down to the pub for a couple pints with the mates, or the pursuit of this 'hobby".
Belle is another figure who wasn't released with skimp wear, and for good reason of course, being a young lady. Still, there's a reason previous figures have had so much of it. it sells well. There's obviously a sizable market for the more revealing outfits.
DAZ straightened out my overpayment for the mega bundle yesterday.
But has anyone who purchased the bundle yesterday gotten 10% off new stuff today? It says both have to be in the cart at the same time. (It's the vendor stuff that says buy or own).
BUT yesterday there was a blurb (why didn't I take a screen grab...argghhh) that said if you bought the bundle you would get 10% off tomorrow's (today's) releases. They did NOT add 'so wait 'til tomorrow to get the bundle'. Sigh.
i thought yesterday's blurb said you get 20% off today's new Keiko releases if you bought any bundle.
I purchased the Mega Bundle on Tuesday which advertised an additional 20% on today's releases. I carted a few of today's (Wednesday) releases and it IS stacking an additional 20% discount.
i thought yesterday's blurb said you get 20% off today's new Keiko releases if you bought any bundle.
Yeah. I could be wrong about the amount. (Hope so :) )
Thank you!!! (Xpost!!)