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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,595

    The size of the VRAM to load bigger scenes is the only reason I wish I could upgrade from my 980ti

    my computer otherwise seems more of the limiting factor running out of actual RAM just in the openGL viewport!

    honestly I think it would be cheaper to buy more computers and have a farm than more cards though, not that I know a lot but several computers working on different frames simultaneously to me would be faster than all the cards in one computer.

    Your experience seems to back this up as the card stacking seems to offer diminishing returns.

    Sorry about your motherboard though.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,252
    edited July 2020

    ...I have just such a set up.  The Titan-X just for rendering and a lesser GPU to drive the displays. 

    Yeah, even the older Titan-X's can be switched to TCC mode though no need to for me as I am still using W7 Pro.

    Oh to get one or two of those RTX Titans, 24 GB of VRAM and NVLInk compatible. 

    ...ugh really tired of having to copy/paste to Word to check spelling. Whatever broke that other night when Google froze up on me is still a mystery.

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,252

    The size of the VRAM to load bigger scenes is the only reason I wish I could upgrade from my 980ti

    my computer otherwise seems more of the limiting factor running out of actual RAM just in the openGL viewport!

    honestly I think it would be cheaper to buy more computers and have a farm than more cards though, not that I know a lot but several computers working on different frames simultaneously to me would be faster than all the cards in one computer.

    Your experience seems to back this up as the card stacking seems to offer diminishing returns.

    Sorry about your motherboard though.

    ...yeah I would get into disagreements with some in the past when I said that more VRAM also translated to "faster rendering" as your scenes would be less likely to dump to much slower CPU/memory mode and possibly even glacial Swap mode.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,595
    kyoto kid said:

    The size of the VRAM to load bigger scenes is the only reason I wish I could upgrade from my 980ti

    my computer otherwise seems more of the limiting factor running out of actual RAM just in the openGL viewport!

    honestly I think it would be cheaper to buy more computers and have a farm than more cards though, not that I know a lot but several computers working on different frames simultaneously to me would be faster than all the cards in one computer.

    Your experience seems to back this up as the card stacking seems to offer diminishing returns.

    Sorry about your motherboard though.

    ...yeah I would get into disagreements with some in the past when I said that more VRAM also translated to "faster rendering" as your scenes would be less likely to dump to much slower CPU/memory mode and possibly even glacial Swap mode.

    well once the scene no longer fits on the cards you would need a damned expensive computer with a Threadripper or something to compensate so thats true, you definitely need a card that will hold your scene.

    but whether multiple cards in the same computer if it doesn't increase VRAM is any help is debatable if you can put one in a lesser computer instead to work on something else

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    So true, Wendy once I update my system and my business go back on track, We need to talk, I may help you with the Titan X setup so you can use the. 980ti for the OpenGL and monitor and have the Titan X exclusive for rendering . I have 5 x Titan X hybrid's water cooled in stock lol

    The size of the VRAM to load bigger scenes is the only reason I wish I could upgrade from my 980ti

    my computer otherwise seems more of the limiting factor running out of actual RAM just in the openGL viewport!

    honestly I think it would be cheaper to buy more computers and have a farm than more cards though, not that I know a lot but several computers working on different frames simultaneously to me would be faster than all the cards in one computer.

    Your experience seems to back this up as the card stacking seems to offer diminishing returns.

    Sorry about your motherboard though.

     

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    That is a good setup, I am going to wait at last 2 more years before any updates, of course I want at last 2x RTX Titan 24 GB but for that I will have to redone all my rig and also uodate the MOBO and CPU as well , I spent to many thousands of dollars in my currently rig, it would be a waste to throw it out . For now it is all good for what I need it for.

    Do you noticed that GTX TitanX prices did not dropped bellow $800 in last 4 years, it is just freeze around $900 and more compared to other early series, and that is the good reason for that as I mentioned early .

    kyoto kid said:

    Yeah, even the older Titan-X's can be switched to TCC mode though no need to for me as I am still using W7 Pro.

    Oh to get one or two of those RTX Titans, 24 GB of VRAM and NVLInk compatible. 

    ...ugh really tired of having to copy/paste to Word to check spelling. Whatever broke that other night when Google froze up on me is still a mystery.

     

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,595
    MEC4D said:

    So true, Wendy once I update my system and my business go back on track, We need to talk, I may help you with the Titan X setup so you can use the. 980ti for the OpenGL and monitor and have the Titan X exclusive for rendering . I have 5 x Titan X hybrid's water cooled in stock lol

    The size of the VRAM to load bigger scenes is the only reason I wish I could upgrade from my 980ti

    my computer otherwise seems more of the limiting factor running out of actual RAM just in the openGL viewport!

    honestly I think it would be cheaper to buy more computers and have a farm than more cards though, not that I know a lot but several computers working on different frames simultaneously to me would be faster than all the cards in one computer.

    Your experience seems to back this up as the card stacking seems to offer diminishing returns.

    Sorry about your motherboard though.

     

    LOL I am not upgrading my card to a Titan or anything else any time soon cheeky

    my money has far more pressing uses than my 3D hobby,

    my point is just rendering openGL my computer cannot load much in DAZ studio, fitting it on a card the least of my worries 

    those genesis figures chew up the RAM, not VRAM just the actual RAM, can only fit 4 dressed at the most in a scene not doing anything 

    thats DAZ studio though

    other softwares I have no issues because they lose all the baggage FBX exported or saved as morph pruned Carrara files.

    I actually use 3Delight too a lot of the time as PBR is not important to me but I need to be able to fit the content  on my computer first.

  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,613
    MEC4D said:

     I have 5 x Titan X hybrid's water cooled in stock lol

    And if you use a chicken stock it cooks dinner as well!

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,595
    edited July 2020

    if I rendered images I would solve all of this by exporting obj and converting those figures to props

    it is my data folder with all my morphs etc that chews the RAM

    DAZ studio itself and the way it handles Genesis 1,2 3 & 8 on the fly and my massive library are the actual problem

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  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,613

    if I rendered images I would solve all of this by exporting obj and converting those figures to props

    it is my data folder with all my morphs etc that chews the RAM

    DAZ studio itself and the way it handles Genesis 1,2 3 & 8 on the fly and my massive library are the actual problem

    How much RAM do you have?  I only have 8GB but I can fit 8 dressed Genesis 1's with 3DL materials.

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    It use around 250w while rendering so just a slow cooker , but possible , the GPU temperatures never reach more than max 58C no matter how big the scene is and how long it render . 

     

    MEC4D said:

     I have 5 x Titan X hybrid's water cooled in stock lol

    And if you use a chicken stock it cooks dinner as well!

     

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,595
    edited July 2020

    if I rendered images I would solve all of this by exporting obj and converting those figures to props

    it is my data folder with all my morphs etc that chews the RAM

    DAZ studio itself and the way it handles Genesis 1,2 3 & 8 on the fly and my massive library are the actual problem

    How much RAM do you have?  I only have 8GB but I can fit 8 dressed Genesis 1's with 3DL materials.

    only 8GB too but it is highly dependent on data folders in the libraries too

    I might not actually own more content but created more of my own morphs and adaptions, GenX data folders are massive but one can at least disable those,

    moving data folders will speed up my loads and what I can load tremendously

    I intend buying more ddr4 RAM possibly tomorrow as the one thing I can afford and should be able to install myself  

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,252

    ...you need a minimum of 74°C (165°F) for safe food preparation, so put a lot of reflectivity and transmaps in your scene. 

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    with the fan versions, it was easy to get this temp. I remember my first one , it was like a personal heater lol  

    oh well I will stick with my easy pot ;)

    kyoto kid said:

    ...you need a minimum of 74°C (165°F) for safe food preparation, so put a lot of reflectivity and transmaps in your scene. 

     

  • PetraPetra Posts: 1,156

    I wish you a very happy birthday :)

    I can not find the link though. ooops

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    Thanks the links are death by now, the domain was changed in main time , it run for 5 years now so you my find old links. Once I have new freebie I will post new link again , just subscribe as it is always for a limited time.

    Thanks

    Cath 

    PBR said:

    I wish you a very happy birthday :)

    I can not find the link though. ooops

     

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    I tired to find replacement for my MOBO with 2011-v3 socket for the CPU and nothing, I have spare 2 x i7 , one with 8 cores and one with 6 (never used)

    Even a  used mobo with 2011-v3 socket cost double than the last brand new MOBOs x299 for Intel X series CPUs.

    so decided to upgrade to the Intel X series CPU x 10 cores and 44 lanes  and go with new Gigabyte MOBO x299 , will cost me "less"' and support my cards better .

    I have 3 Mobos that feil on me in the last 4 years ( Asus,MSI) and and oldy Gigabyte that still running for 5 years with i7 4 cores CPU without issues ( currently using it again )

    Asus X99 gave me a big headaches all the time, blue screens and system failures plus the PCI-e fall out at the end, it was not enforced , very common issue back in times.

    Time to move forward ( not that I wanted )

    saying good bye to my old rig ,

    Thank you for your service,

    may the metal scrab be light on you cheeky

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  • DanaTADanaTA Posts: 13,263
    MEC4D said:

    I tired to find replacement for my MOBO with 2011-v3 socket for the CPU and nothing, I have spare 2 x i7 , one with 8 cores and one with 6 (never used)

    Even a  used mobo with 2011-v3 socket cost double than the last brand new MOBOs x299 for Intel X series CPUs.

    so decided to upgrade to the Intel X series CPU x 10 cores and 44 lanes  and go with new Gigabyte MOBO x299 , will cost me "less"' and support my cards better .

    I have 3 Mobos that feil on me in the last 4 years ( Asus,MSI) and and oldy Gigabyte that still running for 5 years with i7 4 cores CPU without issues ( currently using it again )

    Asus X99 gave me a big headaches all the time, blue screens and system failures plus the PCI-e fall out at the end, it was not enforced , very common issue back in times.

    Time to move forward ( not that I wanted )

    saying good bye to my old rig ,

    Thank you for your service,

    may the metal scrab be light on you cheeky

    Gee.  Makes me feel useless.  I'm still using a Core2Duo, running at 3.3GHz each core.  Only 8GB RAM, and an old Nvidea card that has maybe 8 cuda cores.  I'm worried that when I start using DS again, it might not even work!

    Dana

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,172

    One of my favorite MOBO mfg is Gigabyte. Love them :)

    Laurie

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    I was testing yesterday little bit DS 4.12 , playing with the "hair" and checked out the matte functions since a lot of people wrote to me it did not worked according to my video tutor from youtube, but all works just fine as it was before .

    Also got my special mini tripod supporting 17lb for making micro HDRI environments with lowest point of view using DSLR , I tested it at home , you can go as close to the ground as 13 cm in any direction or objects compared to regular HDRI , great for rendering small figures and objects . I got so many ideas for that kind of HDRI , and you can zoom in in any corners for close up even more without losing quality of the enviorment 

    bellow my test ( wonder what was in the *empty already " package ? mini tripod lol

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  • KharmaKharma Posts: 3,214
    MEC4D said:

    I tired to find replacement for my MOBO with 2011-v3 socket for the CPU and nothing, I have spare 2 x i7 , one with 8 cores and one with 6 (never used)

    Even a  used mobo with 2011-v3 socket cost double than the last brand new MOBOs x299 for Intel X series CPUs.

    so decided to upgrade to the Intel X series CPU x 10 cores and 44 lanes  and go with new Gigabyte MOBO x299 , will cost me "less"' and support my cards better .

    I have 3 Mobos that feil on me in the last 4 years ( Asus,MSI) and and oldy Gigabyte that still running for 5 years with i7 4 cores CPU without issues ( currently using it again )

    Asus X99 gave me a big headaches all the time, blue screens and system failures plus the PCI-e fall out at the end, it was not enforced , very common issue back in times.

    Time to move forward ( not that I wanted )

    saying good bye to my old rig ,

    Thank you for your service,

    may the metal scrab be light on you cheeky

    So sorry for your computer troubles sad.  I have the Asus X99-A and so far no troubles with it at all, purchased in Jan 2016 when I built my computer, only thing I have added is a new RTX 2060 Super graphics card since then, so I hope it continues to hold up with no issues.  I am not ready to update yet!

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    I adore your patience, if that was just for hobby I would care less , but invested too much already trying to do the best from it .

    DanaTA said:
    MEC4D said:
    Gee.  Makes me feel useless.  I'm still using a Core2Duo, running at 3.3GHz each core.  Only 8GB RAM, and an old Nvidea card that has maybe 8 cuda cores.  I'm worried that when I start using DS again, it might not even work!

    Dana

     

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    It stand the test of time , solid mobos , less bs . My MSI Godlike was in storage for some time , the humid may damaged it , but from now on sticking with Gigabyte , I got extended warranty for 4 years just in case .

    AllenArt said:

    One of my favorite MOBO mfg is Gigabyte. Love them :)

    Laurie

     

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,860

    Computer in storage? Were you really on a three year honeymoon? Did you go around the world?

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,252
    edited July 2020

    ...still running an X-58 (LGA1366) MB here with a 6 core Xeon and 24 GB of DDR3 memory in 3 channel mode on my main rendering box along (the one with the Titan -X).  Also have a second system with an LGA 1155 MB (32 GB DDR3) for scene assembly that has a 7590Ti.for test rendering of characters and scene elements. Both are networked together via a hardwired router.

    Older tech but still works fine for my needs.

    Need to win a lotto to get the newest gear and I have a better chance getting hit by lightning here in the US Pacific Northwest Coast (where we rarely get thunder storms or even thunder showers) than matching all 6 numbers.

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  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    Thanks, it is really bad time right now for that , but have no choice 

    it may still working but my PCI-e bend out from the weight of the card and got lose so I am afraid to use it now , don't want to fry everything else .  I got week ago Asus Rampage v5 edition 10, but after opening I saw 1 pin bend , 2 DDR4 sockets did not worked so had to return . I was looking for replacement to go with my i7 2011-v3 CPU but sadly nothing new on the market just used or refurbished old stuff for double price , so decided to go for an upgrade .Maybe I can make some cash back on ebay from my all components as I am at the end of my budged already , they sell broken mobos for $100 each for parts .

    with all the electronics today you never sure how long they will last, mostly run for max 38000-48000 hours and then gone anyway, that is if you run the mobo for 5 and half years 24h, so you are good !

    Kharma said:
    MEC4D said:
    So sorry for your computer troubles sad.  I have the Asus X99-A and so far no troubles with it at all, purchased in Jan 2016 when I built my computer, only thing I have added is a new RTX 2060 Super graphics card since then, so I hope it continues to hold up with no issues.  I am not ready to update yet!

     

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    Yes , we build our nest too and everything was wonderful until covid19 screwed everything , lost jobs, in quarantine since everyone was sick at work but we ended only with mild infection for 2 weeks , dr said our blood group B+ helped , but our savings go to zero to cover all costs for the months . Well , we are still alife and happy to have each other , that is most important and slowly returning to normal again . We stand the test of the good and bad times , I am happy and blessed. 

    barbult said:

    Computer in storage? Were you really on a three year honeymoon? Did you go around the world?

     

  • SimonJMSimonJM Posts: 5,998
    MEC4D said:

    Thanks, it is really bad time right now for that , but have no choice 

    it may still working but my PCI-e bend out from the weight of the card and got lose so I am afraid to use it now , don't want to fry everything else .  I got week ago Asus Rampage v5 edition 10, but after opening I saw 1 pin bend , 2 DDR4 sockets did not worked so had to return . I was looking for replacement to go with my i7 2011-v3 CPU but sadly nothing new on the market just used or refurbished old stuff for double price , so decided to go for an upgrade .Maybe I can make some cash back on ebay from my all components as I am at the end of my budged already , they sell broken mobos for $100 each for parts .

    with all the electronics today you never sure how long they will last, mostly run for max 38000-48000 hours and then gone anyway, that is if you run the mobo for 5 and half years 24h, so you are good !

    Kharma said:
    MEC4D said:
    So sorry for your computer troubles sad.  I have the Asus X99-A and so far no troubles with it at all, purchased in Jan 2016 when I built my computer, only thing I have added is a new RTX 2060 Super graphics card since then, so I hope it continues to hold up with no issues.  I am not ready to update yet!

     

    Sounds liek you could sell your 'spares' and buy a Cray with the proceeds cheeky

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    Well you going to have higher chance to run for President than win a lotto, that is a fact .

    I don;t mind running on a good but old system as I am doing at this moment waiting for my components to arrive , still can render and prepare stuff .

    You always doing a lot of stuff with your rig so not bad , I don't even think to spend over $5000 for the new cards , I don't believe it will give me really more what I need at this moment , beside the VRAM  I wish I had.

    I was kinda obsessed with iray in 2016 wanted to get faster and faster but it was just an illusion at that time , iray was not ready, and now 2 cards doing the same job that 4 in 2016, with the new cpu and mobo, I may have some improvement as well, but not going for more than 3 cards, 2x rendering and 1 x for display and for my other OpenGL programs  , my PSU is only 1300w I would be too short of 6W or more  if running 4 cards on my  new system , unless I find 1500w, but hard to find at this moment and I don't want the risk of losing my cards or cpu . The new mobo using 2 x 8 pin as well so it definitely need more power.

    kyoto kid said:

    ...still running an X-58 (LGA1366) MB here with a 6 core Xeon and 24 GB of DDR3 memory in 3 channel mode on my main rendering box along (the one with the Titan -X).  Also have a second system with an LGA 1155 MB (32 GB DDR3) for scene assembly that has a 7590Ti.for test rendering of characters and scene elements. Both are networked together via a hardwired router.

    Older tech but still works fine for my needs.

    Need to win a lotto to get the newest gear and I have a better chance getting hit by lightning here in the US Pacific Northwest Coast (where we rarely get thunder storms or even thunder showers) than matching all 6 numbers.

     

  • SimonJMSimonJM Posts: 5,998
    MEC4D said:

    Well you going to have higher chance to run for President than win a lotto, that is a fact .

    I don;t mind running on a good but old system as I am doing at this moment waiting for my components to arrive , still can render and prepare stuff .

    You always doing a lot of stuff with your rig so not bad , I don't even think to spend over $5000 for the new cards , I don't believe it will give me really more what I need at this moment , beside the VRAM  I wish I had.

    I was kinda obsessed with iray in 2016 wanted to get faster and faster but it was just an illusion at that time , iray was not ready, and now 2 cards doing the same job that 4 in 2016, with the new cpu and mobo, I may have some improvement as well, but not going for more than 3 cards, 2x rendering and 1 x for display and for my other OpenGL programs  , my PSU is only 1300w I would be too short of 6W or more  if running 4 cards on my  new system , unless I find 1500w, but hard to find at this moment and I don't want the risk of losing my cards or cpu . The new mobo using 2 x 8 pin as well so it definitely need more power.

    kyoto kid said:

    ...still running an X-58 (LGA1366) MB here with a 6 core Xeon and 24 GB of DDR3 memory in 3 channel mode on my main rendering box along (the one with the Titan -X).  Also have a second system with an LGA 1155 MB (32 GB DDR3) for scene assembly that has a 7590Ti.for test rendering of characters and scene elements. Both are networked together via a hardwired router.

    Older tech but still works fine for my needs.

    Need to win a lotto to get the newest gear and I have a better chance getting hit by lightning here in the US Pacific Northwest Coast (where we rarely get thunder storms or even thunder showers) than matching all 6 numbers.

     

    Whenever I see or hear someone say 'more power' I always think of "more power, Igor!" of the film Young Frankenstein (though I hav emy doubts that line is in it!) wwhich always reminds me of your Igor figure which is w wonderful version of Marty Feldman in the role laugh

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