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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,249

    ...sad

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,591

    oh dear, that's not encouraging, condolencesheart for your loss

    ... and I may stick with my 980ti as long as I can too

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    Thanks, everything was fine until I updated to last DS beta and last Nvidia driver , I noticed something going on in DS as it render with so much speed, I put the new  replacement card and it drive it up to 73 C on water cooling in a second ( not normal) so I just shut down the rendering just in case so it don't get "burned" like the other one but there is not even hot air coming out so something else is on the hand , I wonder if this is the last Nvidia driver doing it or DS iray , a mystery , I need to roll back the driver and test it also on old version of DS to be sure, if the temperature sensor  reading wrong it can be another disaster today . I wish I had my old version of Precision X , the last one is funky 

  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,249

    Sand would make a really cool texture for clothing!  Recolor it and you have some nice chunky details!  WOOF 

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,249

    ...which Beta version are you using?

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,855

    I am running DS 4.12.2.6 Public Beta (the latest) with Nvidia driver 451.67 on GTX 980 Ti without problems.

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    It affect only one of my PCie 16x port the other ports works fine , I switched my monitor now to the affected port and use the other for rendering , also got my old precision X16 for better monitoring the GPU and Fans , so far so good temp at 49C only ,the temperatures are all fine on this card until I open DS  , I am trying to figure out what is going on, 4 years ago there was a driver that never stop the clock of the GPU , I also changed the PCIe to Gen3 in the bios but helped not much  , I need to figure it out .

    Barbult, the issue started when DS crashed on me yesterday , from what one of my card rendered death . It may crashed becouse the card failed, or it fail the Card , I guess we will never know, there is a lot of user that lost their cards due to Nvidia driver in the past as it falsely monitored the GPU temperature, as I assume happened to me . It maybe the driver, it maybe the MOBO again , not easy to find the issue here right now, but I am just careful until I find solution for my issue .

     

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    I don't think it is the last BETA, I just have to upgrade the drivers to run it , that why the issues started , my Wacom Cintiq  responsing funky and other lags in the process , someone blamed the win10 latest updates to it , but it maybe just the driver , I rolled it back and forth but no improvement , I need to check the system bios and see if anything changed there as well as I could not start the system yesterday after the crash so have to recover from IMAGE BACKUP .I don't like to update anything in my system as it always create some troubles 

    kyoto kid said:

    ...which Beta version are you using?

     

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,249
    edited August 2020
    barbult said:

    I am running DS 4.12.2.6 Public Beta (the latest) with Nvidia driver 451.67 on GTX 980 Ti without problems.

    ....I'm still running the 4.12.0.47 Beta. No longer can receive new Beta updates because the Install Manager went flaky on me a while back where every time it would auto update, all my paths preferences and settings would be reset back to the base default as well as it would place the sign in .ini and Manifest.JSON files on the main desktop. Short of just uninstalling it and reinstalling it from scratch, which I don't care to do as the ready to download tab would be repopulated with everything that I already have downloaded and installed, as it would be a "new installation" of the utility.  

    Just got tired of messing with that.

    After reading some of the troubles people have experienced with the latest DIM update, I am just that much more reluctant to deal with it.

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  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    I changed the MOBO, CPU, RAM , and system, guess what last Nvidia driver do it and killed my card yesterday , it provide false GPU temperatures , the card that was at 71C was not even produce any heat but the fan was at max 

    that was the slowest of them , and the fastest that was very hot run the fan slowly . Complete mix and mash. No DS, no PC just a driver as I tested on both systems with the same thing so no mistake , no matter what card , the first PCIe slot and the second is affected on both systems , the power usage and other things are fine , just the GPU temp are mixed up, now I need some Nvidia support on this , I can't roll to the last good driver as DS iray will not render with older drivers anymore , what a punch in face . I spent all day on this and no solution , now imagine thinking card run cold and it is slowlly burning , can't afford to lose next one 

    tried also many GPU testing soft and all with the same result , the sensors don't works proper with this driver 

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,249
    edited August 2020

    ...so the latest driver is at fault then?  Again which version of Daz do you have? 

    Burning out a 1,500 USD card is pretty extreme.

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  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249
    edited August 2020

    The last one 4.12, GPU not running getting message to upgrade the driver in DS to new one if I run the old  , I think the last version that works with my old driver is DS 10

    I tested on 2 different systems with different cards and CPU,MOBO etc.. so not that is the system problem , it may be Windows 10 as well hidden bug as I run on both the same .

    Nvidia told me to run only one temp control software, as more than one can mix and mash the sensors, but it did not helped .

    Someone told me to change the GPU termo paste, but this not matter as changing the cards in slot produce the same funky result no matter what card 

    in short, the fastest card that use most resources is the collest one and the slowest the most warm ( not really ) but sensors say so 

    I am on different PC with the same driver and issue 

    kyoto kid said:

    ...so the latest driver is at fault then?  Again which version of Daz do you have that it doesn't allow rendering with an older stable driver? 

     

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  • MattymanxMattymanx Posts: 6,955

    Cathy,

    Try using HWMonitor to check your system temps and such - https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/hwmonitor.html

    Its free and I find it very, very reliable.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,591

    thats terrible broken heart I think you should be compensated for that myself but I imagine they will find some excuse

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    Thanks, I use it for some time, but to monitor automatic  the fans of the radiators still Precision 16 works best, they showing the same number , all my hardware was checked no issue even the PCIe, all works perfect, all I have left is the driver , cleaned the system from any old stuff, installed new and clean version , still showing card at 71C completelly cold , any card, so waiting for the new driver update, and using just 2 for  now avoid PCIe 16x or use it just for monitor 

    Mattymanx said:

    Cathy,

    Try using HWMonitor to check your system temps and such - https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/hwmonitor.html

    Its free and I find it very, very reliable.

     

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

     I hope they do, I wrote a letter we see

    thats terrible broken heart I think you should be compensated for that myself but I imagine they will find some excuse

     

  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,249

    DAMN.  That's not good honey.  I hope that there is something they can do for you!  HUGS 

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    Thanks Richard , if any of you have ever issue with graphic card drivers a support team recommended to use this software to remove all unwanted graphic cards drivers that can mess up everything, even the one provided by Microsof that not always are your best choice, you can clean completely everything and keep just the one you really need, sometimes old drivers leave "residue " behind, so it is great tool supported by many PC gurus and even Nvidia forum the link is here https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html

    I truly hope you never will need it

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,249
    MEC4D said:

    The last one 4.12, GPU not running getting message to upgrade the driver in DS to new one if I run the old  , I think the last version that works with my old driver is DS 10

    I tested on 2 different systems with different cards and CPU,MOBO etc.. so not that is the system problem , it may be Windows 10 as well hidden bug as I run on both the same .

    Nvidia told me to run only one temp control software, as more than one can mix and mash the sensors, but it did not helped .

    Someone told me to change the GPU termo paste, but this not matter as changing the cards in slot produce the same funky result no matter what card 

    in short, the fastest card that use most resources is the collest one and the slowest the most warm ( not really ) but sensors say so 

    I am on different PC with the same driver and issue 

    kyoto kid said:

    ...so the latest driver is at fault then?  Again which version of Daz do you have that it doesn't allow rendering with an older stable driver? 

     

    ...hmm all the more I think I'll stick with the 4.12.0.47 Beta and an older stable driver. as I have a standard Titan-X (Maxwell) in my render system.  I don't really use dForce much anyway as I don't care to run sims every time I re-position or slightly change a character's pose.

  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,249

    Actually when I'm installing new NVIDIA drivers I will more often than naught check off the box for a clean install.  That's worked wonders for me in the past!  

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249
    edited August 2020

    The last driver from 2019 will not allow you to render with iray , that was my reason to update as Beta is so fast comoared to old DS versions and use 99% of all GPU

    anyway, I used DDU as I wrote above, cleaned the registry, old drivers and stuff and I am back in business ( IN SAFE MODE), temp lowered 20C , I also changed the termal component on one of  my GPU as it was time, there was almost no component on the GPU  , I run now only 3 cards 2 at 16x 3.0 for rendering  and 1 for monitor and softwares  at 8x 3.0 as my CPU have only 40 lanes so no more than 2 cards will run at 16x 3.0

    There was a lot of stuff in the registry, I found like 8 registries for Titan X and old drivers that should  be not even on the system , probably from old Windows instalations , now everything is cleaned and fresh installed and loading scenes quick . 

    The last Nvidia driver is not perfect there are a lot of bugs for cards with Maxell architecture , but that is as good as I can do to improve everything and I am happy with it at last so I can continue my work in peace without being paranoid checking every second my hardware .

    I did not changed my Nvidia driver for 4 years as it was working perfect , I am not happy DS changed the rules for the driver but it was necessary to move forward with speed and improvements that cost me $1500 , thanks for nothing . I will be more careful in the future with all new updates and definitely clean again old drivers and registry before installing new one .

    here some pics from the surgery of one of my replacement 4 years old EVGA hybrid water cooled card that I changed the termal component . After day or 2 the temp will go even more down after the new paste set's up it is already at 27C idle so good sign , you pay so much for a card and when you open it, it just don't look for the money lol I was expected more dust inside , I think nex week I am going to check the others and replace the termal components as well so it will be good until it die lol

    kyoto kid said:
    MEC4D said:

    The last one 4.12, GPU not running getting message to upgrade the driver in DS to new one if I run the old  , I think the last version that works with my old driver is DS 10

    I tested on 2 different systems with different cards and CPU,MOBO etc.. so not that is the system problem , it may be Windows 10 as well hidden bug as I run on both the same .

    Nvidia told me to run only one temp control software, as more than one can mix and mash the sensors, but it did not helped .

    Someone told me to change the GPU termo paste, but this not matter as changing the cards in slot produce the same funky result no matter what card 

    in short, the fastest card that use most resources is the collest one and the slowest the most warm ( not really ) but sensors say so 

    I am on different PC with the same driver and issue 

    kyoto kid said:

    ...so the latest driver is at fault then?  Again which version of Daz do you have that it doesn't allow rendering with an older stable driver? 

     

    ...hmm all the more I think I'll stick with the 4.12.0.47 Beta and an older stable driver. as I have a standard Titan-X (Maxwell) in my render system.  I don't really use dForce much anyway as I don't care to run sims every time I re-position or slightly change a character's pose.

     

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  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249
    edited August 2020

    Yes clean installation always , but Windows have old drivers and stuff in the registry that Nvidia can't remove , so I was surprised to find 8 cards in my system lol  old monitoring softwares and other bs from the past not visible from anywhere else . Clumpy registry ask for troubles , once you change card or remove and put back Windows can clogs it with old stuff as it happens today loading 2019 driver instead of the last one , so have to clean all Nvidia drivers with DDU from Microsoft and the list was long . Never update drivers for other products than Microsoft using Windows updates , it will put old stuff that create troubles. I guess DDU was as good as they claimed to be 

    RAMWolff said:

    Actually when I'm installing new NVIDIA drivers I will more often than naught check off the box for a clean install.  That's worked wonders for me in the past!  

     

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  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,249

    surprise

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,591

    I have an old driver remover I got of off Sourceforge

    I clean out lots of old drivers not just graphics ones

    for old printers and other peripherals

    they take up loads of space

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,249

    ..the driver I have installed is 430.86 and  have no issue rednering in Iray with it ing the version of Daz I am using.  I also have MSI afterburner to monitor and setting fan speeds.  I am running on Windows 7 Pro 64 SP1 

    My Titan-X is not the Hybrid water cooled version (my case is alos very roomy inside and has excellent airftlow with 7 fans).

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    That is very good, but there are registry entry that can't be cleaned the regular way  that why Windows get slower over time , once you installed something therr is always a finger print in the registry

    you know how many drivers is in the system you don't even know you  have? they come with the system waiting to jump in if you actual driver not works . When you go to Device Manage and check the list of drivers you would  see  there is stuff for things you never had installed . Every time Windows uodate it clogs it with  new drivers just in case you need it .

    I have an old driver remover I got of off Sourceforge

    I clean out lots of old drivers not just graphics ones

    for old printers and other peripherals

    they take up loads of space

     

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,591
    MEC4D said:

    That is very good, but there are registry entry that can't be cleaned the regular way  that why Windows get slower over time , once you installed something therr is always a finger print in the registry

    you know how many drivers is in the system you don't even know you  have? they come with the system waiting to jump in if you actual driver not works . When you go to Device Manage and check the list of drivers you would  see  there is stuff for things you never had installed . Every time Windows uodate it clogs it with  new drivers just in case you need it .

    I have an old driver remover I got of off Sourceforge

    I clean out lots of old drivers not just graphics ones

    for old printers and other peripherals

    they take up loads of space

     

    surprise

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    The regular Titan X have only one fan inside with aluminum radiator for the GPU ,  the water version cooling only the GPU, the memory is still cooled by the fan and it can get warm while rendering as well for the reason a Hybrid . When one day I switch to RTX I will make full water cooling system for my GPUs and CPU with one pomp and radiator outside the case what can be small in this case , right now my case is huge I can't move it by myself lol too heavy and it is glass covered , it was only the solution to run the individual water cooled GPUs and CPU radiator in one case , other did not  fit the all radiators and 9 fans .

    I saw on youtube , it was amazing rig but right now it cost over $22.000 to make  so no way, dreaming about it only , it have 4 x Titan X RTX with external water cooling system , crazy how fast you could render with this power, not really what I need as I am happy with what I have right now but cool to see., I spent over $9000 on my rig 4 years ago so until it all die no way I will make  another one .

    kyoto kid said:

    ..the driver I have installed is 430.86 and  have no issue rednering in Iray with it ing the version of Daz I am using.  I also have MSI afterburner to monitor and setting fan speeds.  I am running on Windows 7 Pro 64 SP1 

    My Titan-X is not the Hybrid water cooled version (my case is alos very roomy inside and has excellent airftlow with 7 fans).

     

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    Surprised ? see the image .. cheeky  1000s of drivers for all products in the world

    MEC4D said:

     

    surprise

     

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,591

    this is what i have, this PC less than a year old, on my other Win7 one it was a huge list

    yeah don't know about those others, may need to look into it

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