Hello My name is Micky, how about some render time comparison?

Micky Summers

Hi there, i am Micky, new to daz studio, just done a test while learning the basics of daz studio, rendered the same scene on both mac and pc, the mac pro 2012 is a 12 core 2.4 ghz, 16gb ram and still has the amd radeon 5770 1gb gpu, which does make navigating the scene a little difficult. my pc has haswell cpu 4670k running stock at 3.4ghz, 16gb ram, nvidia gtx 1070, scene navigation is smooth as butter.

so i rendered a scene on default settings with both machines, it was the dragon slayer scene. the mac pro took less than 20 minutes to get to 85% while the pc took the same time only just got to 2%.

is there a setting anywhere i am missing on the pc?

and what gfx card should i upgrade to on the mac, amd only as i use final cut more than anything else, render times are fine on the mac, better than i thought they were going to be, just want the scene navigation to be less sketchy.

Tottallou

GTX 1070 is not yet supported in Iray so it will not be helping your render at this time

There are several threads on when support will be ready but no definite date for it :(

Here is one of the threads for you to read through :

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/89996/gtx-1080-iray-support#latest

 

 

Micky Summers

Tottallou said:

GTX 1070 is not yet supported in Iray so it will not be helping your render at this time

There are several threads on when support will be ready but no definite date for it :(

Here is one of the threads for you to read through :

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/89996/gtx-1080-iray-support#latest

 

 

Ah that will explain it then. It's just that it shows up as selectable render device so presumed that it would have been supported. 

 

I would however ever still like to know what other people's render times are in the dragon slayer ready to render scene, mainly looking at amd gfx

mjc1016

Rendering a scene with Iray on an AMD card is going to be the same time as a CPU render.  Iray can't use an AMD card, so it's rather pointless to attempt to use one.  The same with rendering in 3Delight...it doesn't use ANY video card when rendering, just CPU.

Micky Summers

mjc1016 said:

Rendering a scene with Iray on an AMD card is going to be the same time as a CPU render.  Iray can't use an AMD card, so it's rather pointless to attempt to use one.  The same with rendering in 3Delight...it doesn't use ANY video card when rendering, just CPU.

3delight seems to render pretty fast on both machines anyway, I am more interested in making the placement of objects in scenes smoother to work with. I want to stick with amd though as getting into 4K rendering now with final cut and nvidia are apparently poor compared to amd for that work.

With the PC and gtx 1070 I can work with that a breeze, but trying to move cameras and also place objects in a scene with the mac it is really hard work  

 

DrunkMonkeyProductions

well the first problem is trying to compare a 12 core xeon processor to a 4 core i5.

That's going to result in an, almost, 3 fold increase in render time.

Meaning a scene that gets to 85% on the xeon in 20 minutes, will probably take 60 minutes on the i5 to reach the same point.

 

Now comparing render times, for that rtr scene, isn't going to be that informative for you.

The main reason is that the lights and surfaces are not setup for IRAY, they're setup for 3delight.

At least in the version i've got installed, so you may want ot double check if there's been an update to it.

Even though daz does a pretty good job of conversion, it's not going to be completely correct and there are going to be issues which could result in longer render times, or items creating problems such as uber environment.

 

Now as far as recommendations on graphics cards, for daz studio and iray, until the 10xx series gets support, stick with 980 series, or look into tesla computational cards.

Since i refuse to use macs for anything, i can't give you any recommendations on a compatible gpu for FCP.

The problem you noted about the viewport performance on the ATI card is nothing new.

The ATI cards OpenGL, what drives the viewport, is kinda crap, it's part of the reason i dropped ATI cards years ago.

The current GPu on my wokstation is an old quadro 1700 with a whopping 768mb of ram, and until i hit about 16-20GB of system ram used, i've got no screen lag in daz studio.

Where as the ATI fire pro card i have in my file server is total crap when working in daz studio, barely get a couple characters loaded before it starts lagging.

Since you're set on using FCP for video, and your pc is under powered for cpu rendering, you're kinda stuck with using two systems, or possibly, if the mac can even handle it, maybe using both ati and nvidia cards in it.

Use the ATi card for rendering, and the nvidia card for video ouput.

Don't know if that's an option, but just a suggestion.

For daz i'll recommend setting up the scene on the PC, and rendering on the mac, since the mac has a bit higher spec on the CPU.

I have no clue how easy or difficult i'll be to network the two systems for that, as i don't use macs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Micky Summers

DrunkMonkeyProductions said:

well the first problem is trying to compare a 12 core xeon processor to a 4 core i5.

That's going to result in an, almost, 3 fold increase in render time.

Meaning a scene that gets to 85% on the xeon in 20 minutes, will probably take 60 minutes on the i5 to reach the same point.

 

Now comparing render times, for that rtr scene, isn't going to be that informative for you.

The main reason is that the lights and surfaces are not setup for IRAY, they're setup for 3delight.

At least in the version i've got installed, so you may want ot double check if there's been an update to it.

Even though daz does a pretty good job of conversion, it's not going to be completely correct and there are going to be issues which could result in longer render times, or items creating problems such as uber environment.

 

Now as far as recommendations on graphics cards, for daz studio and iray, until the 10xx series gets support, stick with 980 series, or look into tesla computational cards.

Since i refuse to use macs for anything, i can't give you any recommendations on a compatible gpu for FCP.

The problem you noted about the viewport performance on the ATI card is nothing new.

The ATI cards OpenGL, what drives the viewport, is kinda crap, it's part of the reason i dropped ATI cards years ago.

The current GPu on my wokstation is an old quadro 1700 with a whopping 768mb of ram, and until i hit about 16-20GB of system ram used, i've got no screen lag in daz studio.

Where as the ATI fire pro card i have in my file server is total crap when working in daz studio, barely get a couple characters loaded before it starts lagging.

Since you're set on using FCP for video, and your pc is under powered for cpu rendering, you're kinda stuck with using two systems, or possibly, if the mac can even handle it, maybe using both ati and nvidia cards in it.

Use the ATi card for rendering, and the nvidia card for video ouput.

Don't know if that's an option, but just a suggestion.

For daz i'll recommend setting up the scene on the PC, and rendering on the mac, since the mac has a bit higher spec on the CPU.

I have no clue how easy or difficult i'll be to network the two systems for that, as i don't use macs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for this info. Now I know that it isn't surprising that the mac is faster than the PC for cpu only renders, but it isn't just 3 to 4 times faster. It's absolutely leaving it behind, so I am wondering if there is a setting I may need to change or something. 

 

Thanks for for the info on the ati and nvidia. I have been considering getting an nvidia card as always been happy with them for performance, compared with ati. Is there anywhere that lists comparison between gpu only renders for Daz studio? Because I read that nvidia Titan x (maxwell) has almost same performance as 2x d700 in Mac Pro 2013 for open cl tasks. And benefit from cuda