Novica & Forum Members Tips & Product Reviews Pt 9
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Tone Mapping is a bit of a mystery to me - I know you helped me out with it when I was using those dreamlight lights that were SO orange, so I must go back and write some notes down about it. I have a tone mapping preset that comes in a set of lights, so I'll play with those to get a headstart.
Dumor's lights are on my wishlist, havne't picked them up yet.
Want to show you Daphne's brows. Much better than Olympia 8's, that's for sure. All of these are just out of the box. Took 19 minutes 47 seconds.
BTW, these are still with the Mitchell filter, and I found what I think is a good combination of settings for that, for this gal anyway. What you want to look for is the graininess on the necks, like specks. So for Daphne, it was the default of Firefly on, but I turned on noise filter, the degrain filtering was 2 and radius 3, blur difference was .32 (probably could have gone higher but I liked the blending as it is) The Pixel Filter Radius was 1.54. The lower that goes, the sharper it is, so if you are getting noise, turn that one UP. (Gaussian default is 1.50) I had that lower on the Olympia ones and there is some noise or more splotchy on the neck, could be the materials, I don't know.
This is 600, enlarges to 800. I don't want to do them too large because I can't do as many. You get the idea about the brows and skin color. She's much- MUCH less red than Olympia.
Here's the settings- this was Light 11 Right, she is rotated from the front 17.60
Remember, always do ISO first, (158.67) as that changes Exposure Value (13.27)
Let me test the White Point and see what it takes to tweak the red just slightly.
Okay, a peach, which seems counter-intuitive, (why add RED to get rid of red) indeed makes it go complimentary to adding blue/ hint of yellow to her skin. Depends on if you go more peach, or red. Try 255 / 186 / 158 using the 14 right light. Tweak from there. Back in a few.
EDIT: I tweaked that color to 255/ 217/ 202. You want to stay away from yellow on that color chart, and what I did was go further DOWN from the first one to get more white blended in. Rendering now.
So here she is with the information from above. As you can see, White Point is effective if you don't want to change the skin color in Surfaces. She's much less red. This is 600 px and it's 800 px so you can click to enlarge, a tiny bit.
I have to ask, what is it with the make up not showing until it renders? That makes things pretty much useless if you are trying to choose the best one for a render. Huge time suck to constantly have to wait for it to update in Iray if I want to see what I am getting. Its already bad enough that you can't see a lot of the HDRI's unless your render. If that is going to be a trend, then that will be one more reason to not purchase any more of the G8F line at all. I don't have that much time to do this hobby as it is, I am NOT going to waste it waiting for the Aux Viewport to render each change. It slows things down way too much and is irritating as **ll. NOT a good choice to go in this direction at all. Seriously, why on earth would you think its a good idea to not show the make up on the model when in the working viewport? Its like flying blind. No thanks.
I do really like Olympia 8 and the more I see of her the more I like her. But I'm still not buying. I might have got over the no orange banner but if the make up doesn't show in the preview render, that's a total deal killer.
Daphne is gorgeous. I really like her. This render by Ildanach on the Olympia 8 thread is convincing me to take another look. Not sure what lighting he used here, but her features, most especially her eyebrows, look very good:
EDIT: He said the lighting is BOSS and the brows are Oh My Brows. They look way better than the defaults!
I read that somewhere else, that the makeup doesn't show. How on earth do they even get it to DO that? These were just out of the box, so now I'm going to go see what that makeup problem looks like. Totally weird, have we ever had that before? Back in a minute or two, my computer's fast.
Huh. Did they pull the makeup? I didn't buy her until the evening, and I don't have makeup. I have eyes and brows in the Materials>Iray subfolder (content library, when I use People>Genesis 8 Female>Characters.) No makeup!
I don't know but I hope they fix it. I really don't like that trend at all. I noticed it on G8F. I can't remember if its also true for V8, I will have to check when I get home.
That's weird, because the product listing shows that there are makeup options:
And I don't like the fact that the makeups don't show in the preview window any more. Seems like that is new with the Gen 8 figures.
Really bad idea
I remember when I got v8 and kept selecting makeup for her and nothing applied. I couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong. I don't like not being able to see the selection in preview either
Huh, go figure. The more renders of Olympia 8 I see, the less I need to have her right now. I'll definitely get her at some point, but it's okay if that's much later.
@Novica - this may be a few hours too late, but V5 textures were quite widespread on early G2F characters. I was making a list for myself the other day (same reason: is it worth getting the Caymen V5 for V8 product?) and here are the G2F characters using V5 UVs in my content library:
Bambi for Giselle 6, FW Diana, FW Jennie for Belle 6, FW Joanie, FW Lin, FWSA Gingersnap, FWSA Keshi, FWSA Riva, FWSA Wachiwi, FWSA Xiao Mei, LY Sophie, Taylor for Stephanie 6, also Vengeful Spirit (probably only useful for 3Delight renders) - oh, and Skin Builder Pro for G2F.
In addition a whole bunch of characters uses V5 UVs for the skin with some Base Female UV parts (typically eyes, eyelashes,etc):
FW Ashley, FW Caoimhe, FW Cassie, FW Danika, FW Kyra, FW Merfolk, FW Mirella, FW Naida & Nalin, FW Neomi, FW Nikki, FW Nita, FW Sassafrat, FWF Janna & Janna Little Devil, FWF Mayuree and FWF Sumiko.
(Sorry I haven't put links in, but there are so many I don't really have the time.)
So that's about 30 G2F characters in my content library with complete or mostly V5 UVs, vs about 25 that use G2F Base Female UVs which I haven't listed here.
ETA: ah! I just noticed your later post about Cayman's list of characters by UV set - I'd forgotten all about that list. Actually mine has a couple of entries not on Cayman's list.
It's been interesting seeing everyone's take on Olympia 8. I'm still on the fence, trying hard not to get into Gen8 as yet, which is not too difficult seeing as my store credit is down to 7 dollars at the moment! And yes I used my PC coupons for July. I have an orange banner (because I did buy into Olympias 6 and 7) which says it lasts till August 7th so maybe next month...
Edit to fix some typos.
I understand what you mean about going Genesis 8 / Victoria 8. I am "kinda" holding firm on not going to that generation- or I was- until I saw the facial expressions/posing which are SO much better- very fluid. You won't see it with my quicky portraits on the thread (my main goal has already been to show folks base, out of the box, and show quickly like for these new releases. Took me about four hours to test stuff/render.) So what I personally decided to do was get Genesis 8 characters while deeply discounted (that means 60% or more) so I can use their morphs- and totally disregard their materials (eyebrows I don't like) because I'm using Genesis 3 for the skins. (until an EASY way to get the morphs from Genesis 3 onto 8 is made.)
Most of what I'm doing now in the near future, is my Generation 4 conversions of skin and morphs up to Genesis 3. Omgosh, there are BEAUTIFUL skins for that Generation. Some of the vendors I check out first over at Rendo and here for beautiful and/or thicker eyebrows for women is of course Moussa, Sabby, Seven,(SASE, which combines those), Mihrelle, P3Design, Vyktorhia (I don't know if I spelled that right), Godin, Gypsyangel, Ozichick, Pixeluna,Saiyaness, Chevybabe25, to name a few. Raiya is a mixture, some are too penciled for me, but they are thicker, and many are quite good so far as more natural. We mentioned a few vendors a few posts back, too. When I think of unique overall, it's Saiyaness, Gypsyangel, Chevybabe25. Who do you folks like for variety overall, and for brows? (those are two different things. I buy some that have great morphs, with no intention of ever using the mats.)
Interesting- does anyone have Nino from Faber? He looks good here. And I had to laugh, I own all of Phoenix1966. Agnes looks like she's ready to take on the world. I expect to see her as an evil queen coming up in some Marvel or DC movie.
I don't see much mention of Anain over at Rendo (check out Ronnie, he's a bit of a "typical" dude, I don't have him yet, but I did remember thinking he'd have some good morphs to add to the pool) but some gals and the boys have a bit too many freckles/ or moles for my personal tastes. Also- Blanca for two unusual materials. Isabol /Sorbel will surprise you with the variation (not my cup of tea though), scroll through the images to see what I mean.
@melaniel You should post the ones you have that aren't on the list- over in that thread. People will appreciate it. (I haven't checked, you may have already done that. You're very helpful.)
I have Nino. He was released with a nice skin with a convincing degree of translucence something that I frequently find a little flat on male characters.
There was a product update for Olympia 8 today when I used DIM. Not sure what it was as I rushed off to work. But, will check tonight
My first render in almost exactly one month, so probably a bit rusty. But I don't blame that. This just did not end up the way I wanted it. And look at those brows! Or rather, please don't look at them! I love the fact that it seems to be a new standard for the new official DAZ G8 characters that brows can be added seperately, But there's something just not right with these. And I just checked, no O8 update in DIM for me.
Another disappointment was the pose. It's from one of the pose packs in the O8 pro bundle, so they come with a version tailored for Olympia. Still her hands were halfway into her body. Sure, she wears clothes, but they can't be that thick.
The hair and outfit are also from the O8 bundle, though I'm using one of the textures from the add-on for the outfit. A bit too shiny imo, so I'll definitely have to tweak that for any "serious" render.
Olympia is, just as I, a bit sceptical...
So, another not-a-huge-fan-of-those-brows. They do seem to render shiny in quite a few of the renders I've seen. Lighting is going to be everything perhaps?
Okay, let's test her with the Apocalyptic lights. BTW, found in Render Presets, not lighting. (Content Library) Renders fast, is 92% done in 10 minutes, 800px render. No hair.
I had to change a LOT of things though. I did my usual Dome Y Orientation turning (normally 270 but went with 320) did Environment Intensity at almost triple (up to 3.0) and the ISO and Exposure Value required a lot of the light setting (Exp. Value down, ISO up) Changed the White Point to peach again to get rid of the red. This is NOT the default skin color. Rendering now, but here's what I can tell you-
It seems the brows look flatter and glossy when they are moving away from the camera view. We can see individual hair where the brow starts, but even that seems to lack enough bump (at least for my preferences.) When doing scenes, I render a LOT with this set, just like the Pro-Studio is my "go to" for portraits, the Indoor and Outdoor sets of the Apocalyptic series is good because it makes EVERYONE look good, consistently. Well, Olympia isn't quite faring too well. And look at the beginning of that brow on OUR left, it's like an end of a transparent trapezoid (ends of a rectangle that have a sharp angle.)
This is also the Mitchell filtering again, to me it looked better than the Gaussian when I tested yesterday. One thing I like, this light set makes the neck a bit less splotchy, although if you're going for realism, the Pro-Studio lights are more nit-picky in showing splotchy/different areas IMO. I'm getting more of a "creamy skin" vibe from this particular choice, which was the "corridor."
Total time 12 minutes. Looking at this closer, and of course, it could be the lighting/angle, it seems there isn't much hair where that "trapezoid" edge section is.
Edit: I do want to say I am glad I got her though- my purpose was, and still is, to have the right morphs for Daphne, who I really like. Compare the brows (go back up a few posts.) And for the body morphs.
And what's with the eyelashes on top NOT going to the corner of the eye? The ones on bottom going to the outside don't go over very far either, but it's more noticeable with the top inner corner ones.
Hmm, this Classic Office Style Outfit seems like an incomplete promo- I'm all for a unique approach, but this doesn't seem like it's taking advantage of really showing a product the best way possible. I don't particularly like the pants at the bottom as shown, wish more views of that were offered. As is, it seems a bit crumply and sharp edged, and I'm hopeful it has more smooth movements. I like to see outfits in a variety of motion ranges. Some of the textures look nice (in the separate product.)
And funny I mentioned Saiyaness for unique characters a few hours ago, and coincidentally we get Benita. Love the older characters.
Benita looks very nice - I'm sure she'll do so even without V8 in the mix. But it doesn't say which UVs she uses.
G8's use the G3F uv's.
Oh I'm using the FREE bits of Gen8 - i.e. the base female - and I've ported over a lots of morphs using Redz method from the other thread. I've been GenX2-ing all my favourites to G3F from earlier generations and manually transferring from there. So with a whole pile of G3F skin texures I have plenty to play with! I just haven't bought into the V8 or O8 stuff (waiting for the PA Sale then the PC Anniversary Sale hoping for bargains there
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This worked perfectly! I just moved my first V4 character to G3F. I do have a question though. Are there legacy UV's for V4 to Genesis 3F? I can't find them. I have one for m4 to G3 but can't find one for V4 to G3
Hi, I'm back online. Legacy UVs for Genesis 3: V4 by Cayman Studios over at Rendo
Ah don't know why I didn't think of that thanks!