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I’m confused about what the “Wear Them All” product does.

lukon100lukon100 Posts: 811
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I’m confused about what the “Wear Them All” product does.

 

Wear Them All - Autofitting Clones and Clothing Smoothers for Genesis 3 Female(s)

https://www.daz3d.com/wear-them-all-autofitting-clones-and-clothing-smoothers-for-genesis-3-female-s

 

Which does it do?:

 

1. Change clothing from older generations to fit a Genesis 3 figure?

 

or…

 

2. Change a Genesis 3 figure to fit into the clothing from older generations?

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  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,601

    The older clothing gets changed, nothing is changed on G3 AFAIK.  It adds autofit clones to fit older generations' clothing to Genesis 3.  By default G3 only has autofit clones for G2 of the same gender; Wear Them All adds more older figures as actions (opposite gender G2, Genesis 1, and V4/M4), as well as adding some adjustment morphs.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,443
    Fixmypcmike said:

    The older clothing gets changed, nothing is changed on G3 AFAIK.  It adds autofit clones to fit older generations' clothing to Genesis 3.  By default G3 only has autofit clones for G2 of the same gender; Wear Them All adds more older figures as actions (opposite gender G2, Genesis 1, and V4/M4), as well as adding some adjustment morphs.

    The Genesis 3 figures can also AutoFit clothing for the Genesis 3 figure of the opposite sex.

  • lukon100lukon100 Posts: 811

    Thanks, Fixmypcmike and Richard Haseltine. And base on you answeres, I purchased the product.

  • lukon100lukon100 Posts: 811
    edited July 2017

    Unfortunately, the product does not work as hoped.

    It won't adjust the fit of the skirt from the V4.2 Happily Ever After outfit to fit a G3F, such that when the legs of the G3F is posed, the skirt won't distort. The skirt does distort big time.

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  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,443

    Did you try setting the content type to skirt or dress (I can't recall which options are available by default)?

  • lukon100lukon100 Posts: 811
    edited July 2017
    Richard Haseltine said:

    Did you try setting the content type to skirt or dress (I can't recall which options are available by default)?

    Yep. I tried all the clothing item type options that made plausible sense. I mean, for exampe, I didn't try the "Gloves" option.

    Perhaps the product might do well to warn folks that it won't work for big billowy skirts when the legs get posed. And say something like "Please zero-pose the lower half of your figures when using big billowy skirts."

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  • lukon100lukon100 Posts: 811

    Perhaps the problem is that Wear Them All provides a clone for V4, but the skirt is for V4.2.

    Could the difference between V4 and V4.2 be that significant in this context?

  • LeanaLeana Posts: 11,822
    edited July 2017
    lukon100 said:

    Perhaps the problem is that Wear Them All provides a clone for V4, but the skirt is for V4.2.

    Could the difference between V4 and V4.2 be that significant in this context?

    No, V4.2 is the current V4 version (as in, the one available since 2008).

    The problem is that really big skirts would often require custom rigging, automatic rigging as done via autofit may not be enough.

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  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,443

    It isn't really an issue with Wear Them All, it is that items like that won't AutoFit that well. There are other templates available, or you could even take the converted outfit and use the  Transfer Utility to rerig it from another wide-skirted item, or of course you could manually edit the rigging (mainly clearing the weight maps for the legs so they had no effect at all).

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,293

    A few clothing items doesn't fit great even on it's original targent generation but sometimes when going more than one generation forward with a clothes item it works better if you autofit an A3 clothing to V4, save as clothing preset, autofit to Genesis, save as clothing preset, autofit to G2F, save as clothing preset, autofit to G3F, save as clothing preset, autofit to G8F, save as clothing preset. A lot of open, closes, and saves of characters and clothing to do that but for some really good clothing that you want to use it is helpful. 

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,443
    nonesuch00 said:

    A few clothing items doesn't fit great even on it's original targent generation but sometimes when going more than one generation forward with a clothes item it works better if you autofit an A3 clothing to V4, save as clothing preset, autofit to Genesis, save as clothing preset, autofit to G2F, save as clothing preset, autofit to G3F, save as clothing preset, autofit to G8F, save as clothing preset. A lot of open, closes, and saves of characters and clothing to do that but for some really good clothing that you want to use it is helpful. 

    That particular path will never work better since it isn't possible to AutoFit to V4. In fact, given a choice between starting from a V4 outfit and an A3, or other third generation, outfit the A3 will probably be a better choice as it won't pass through the V4 down-pointing toes phase.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,293
    edited July 2017
    Richard Haseltine said:
    nonesuch00 said:

    A few clothing items doesn't fit great even on it's original targent generation but sometimes when going more than one generation forward with a clothes item it works better if you autofit an A3 clothing to V4, save as clothing preset, autofit to Genesis, save as clothing preset, autofit to G2F, save as clothing preset, autofit to G3F, save as clothing preset, autofit to G8F, save as clothing preset. A lot of open, closes, and saves of characters and clothing to do that but for some really good clothing that you want to use it is helpful. 

    That particular path will never work better since it isn't possible to AutoFit to V4. In fact, given a choice between starting from a V4 outfit and an A3, or other third generation, outfit the A3 will probably be a better choice as it won't pass through the V4 down-pointing toes phase.

    So using the Wear them All Autofit from V3 to V4 and then saving as a clothing preset and then using the autofit from V4 to G2F to G3F to G8F with saving as clothing presets each step of the way won't work? 

    Hmmm....well darn it goes all the way to V3 to GF3 and skips V4! That is not good.

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  • lukon100lukon100 Posts: 811

    So. There seems to be a consensus among experts that Wear Them All does not work for big V4 skirts. Well then, like I said, it would have been more helpful to me if the page that sold me the Wear Them All product clearly stated that it won't work for big V4 skirts.

  • LeanaLeana Posts: 11,822
    nonesuch00 said:
    Richard Haseltine said:
    nonesuch00 said:

    A few clothing items doesn't fit great even on it's original targent generation but sometimes when going more than one generation forward with a clothes item it works better if you autofit an A3 clothing to V4, save as clothing preset, autofit to Genesis, save as clothing preset, autofit to G2F, save as clothing preset, autofit to G3F, save as clothing preset, autofit to G8F, save as clothing preset. A lot of open, closes, and saves of characters and clothing to do that but for some really good clothing that you want to use it is helpful. 

    That particular path will never work better since it isn't possible to AutoFit to V4. In fact, given a choice between starting from a V4 outfit and an A3, or other third generation, outfit the A3 will probably be a better choice as it won't pass through the V4 down-pointing toes phase.

    So using the Wear them All Autofit from V3 to V4 and then saving as a clothing preset and then using the autofit from V4 to G2F to G3F to G8F with saving as clothing presets each step of the way won't work? 

    Autofit is only for Genesis figures, there's no "Wear them All Autofit to V4"..

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,293
    Leana said:
    nonesuch00 said:
    Richard Haseltine said:
    nonesuch00 said:

    A few clothing items doesn't fit great even on it's original targent generation but sometimes when going more than one generation forward with a clothes item it works better if you autofit an A3 clothing to V4, save as clothing preset, autofit to Genesis, save as clothing preset, autofit to G2F, save as clothing preset, autofit to G3F, save as clothing preset, autofit to G8F, save as clothing preset. A lot of open, closes, and saves of characters and clothing to do that but for some really good clothing that you want to use it is helpful. 

    That particular path will never work better since it isn't possible to AutoFit to V4. In fact, given a choice between starting from a V4 outfit and an A3, or other third generation, outfit the A3 will probably be a better choice as it won't pass through the V4 down-pointing toes phase.

    So using the Wear them All Autofit from V3 to V4 and then saving as a clothing preset and then using the autofit from V4 to G2F to G3F to G8F with saving as clothing presets each step of the way won't work? 

    Autofit is only for Genesis figures, there's no "Wear them All Autofit to V4"..

    How did DAZ do the backward compatibility in the days when the introduced V4 and M4 after V3 and M3? Or did they now do that then? sad

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,443
    nonesuch00 said:
    Leana said:
    nonesuch00 said:
    Richard Haseltine said:
    nonesuch00 said:

    A few clothing items doesn't fit great even on it's original targent generation but sometimes when going more than one generation forward with a clothes item it works better if you autofit an A3 clothing to V4, save as clothing preset, autofit to Genesis, save as clothing preset, autofit to G2F, save as clothing preset, autofit to G3F, save as clothing preset, autofit to G8F, save as clothing preset. A lot of open, closes, and saves of characters and clothing to do that but for some really good clothing that you want to use it is helpful. 

    That particular path will never work better since it isn't possible to AutoFit to V4. In fact, given a choice between starting from a V4 outfit and an A3, or other third generation, outfit the A3 will probably be a better choice as it won't pass through the V4 down-pointing toes phase.

    So using the Wear them All Autofit from V3 to V4 and then saving as a clothing preset and then using the autofit from V4 to G2F to G3F to G8F with saving as clothing presets each step of the way won't work? 

    Autofit is only for Genesis figures, there's no "Wear them All Autofit to V4"..

    How did DAZ do the backward compatibility in the days when the introduced V4 and M4 after V3 and M3? Or did they now do that then? sad

    From Victoria 2 to Victroia 4 there was a separate figure which usually took the new figure's maps and had the nwe figure's head, but was dividied up into bones and rigged like the previous figure of the same sex. Thata llowed the (non-mixing) use of older clothes with the newer figures. There were also standalone tools that would do a similar job to AutoFit, but the use of fall-off zones and angles rather than weight maps made the process a lot more error-prone.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,293

    thanks

  • murgatroyd314murgatroyd314 Posts: 1,542
    lukon100 said:

    Unfortunately, the product does not work as hoped.

    It won't adjust the fit of the skirt from the V4.2 Happily Ever After outfit to fit a G3F, such that when the legs of the G3F is posed, the skirt won't distort. The skirt does distort big time.

    This is the sort of thing that Sickleyield made her Ultra Templates for. They provide greatly improved fitting for various types of dresses.

  • lukon100lukon100 Posts: 811
    edited July 2017
    Murgatroyd said:
    lukon100 said:

    Unfortunately, the product does not work as hoped.

    It won't adjust the fit of the skirt from the V4.2 Happily Ever After outfit to fit a G3F, such that when the legs of the G3F is posed, the skirt won't distort. The skirt does distort big time.

    This is the sort of thing that Sickleyield made her Ultra Templates for. They provide greatly improved fitting for various types of dresses.

    Thanks much for this info.

    I feel tempted to purchase this, but after getting burned over my purchase of Wear Them All, I feel apprehensive about purchasing. I harbor a suspicion that Ultra Templates also won't actually work on the particular V4 big skirt I'm dealing with for some obscure, technical reasons I cannot now fathaom.

    If anyone out there has both Ultra Templates and the Happily Ever After outfit for V4.2, could you run a test on it for me?

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  • IceDragonArtIceDragonArt Posts: 12,548

    I will see if I can test it for you on a break here at work.  If not, I will try and do it for you tonight when I get home.

  • IceDragonArtIceDragonArt Posts: 12,548
    edited July 2017

    Okay here is a really quick render after using the ultra templates.  doesn't look like there is any distortion that I can see, I used a different shader (don't mind the clashing of color or design, I was just adding something that would show a distortion in the pattern if there was one.  This is what I did.  Loaded G3F - Loaded V4 Happily Ever After Skirt with G3F selected.  Right clicked on skirt since the autofit dialogue did not come up and chose fit to.  When the auto dialog came up, I chose the Genesis 2F clone because that is all that was available (not sure if its because I have the bare bones on my computer at work, its a good possibility that the field will populate with a Victoria 4 Clone if I had all of my stuff on this computer) and then chose SY ultra big skirt and hit enter.  This is the result.  The top has also been autofitted, again via G2f simply because I don't have the other products loaded onto my work computer.

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  • lukon100lukon100 Posts: 811
    edited July 2017

    Thanks so much for testing this, Sonja!

    Unfortunately, this image does not tell me what I want to know. I want to know how the skirt will look when the legs are posed differently from the default T-pose, such as walking, or especially when the legs are moved out as if about to do a split.

    Post edited by lukon100 on
  • IceDragonArtIceDragonArt Posts: 12,548
    lukon100 said:

    Thanks so much for testing this, Sonja!

    Unfortunately, this image does not tell me what I want to know. I want to know how the skirt will look when the legs are posed differently from the default T-pose, such as walking, or especially when the legs are moved out as if about to do a split.

    I have a render going right now but once its done I will load it back up and see what happens when she is in a different pose.

  • lukon100lukon100 Posts: 811
    Ice Dragon Art said:

    I have a render going right now but once its done I will load it back up and see what happens when she is in a different pose.

    Cool. Thanks for doing that for me. I'll be waiting to see it.

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