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So-n-So is a grrrl... WHAT??? (OT)

wancowwancow Posts: 2,708
edited December 1969 in The Commons

So, a friend and I were conversing by email, and I was told about someone I referred to as "He" who had posted some nice work, is actually female...

I told my friend: "I'm still living in the past, then, when everyone on the internet who claimed to be a girl was a fat, harry man sitting in five day old underwear living in the squalor of his parents garage with fingers orange from eating Cheetos and pizza..."

Am I the only one who still thinks this way?

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  • faedanzfaedanz Posts: 0
    edited March 2013

    I kinda feel like that myth started because of a perceived lack of hot and available girls in whatever hobby. If there's only one cute one posting pictures of herself, she may as well be the only girl in the world, and if one's not interested, she must be a dude.

    To give an example about how I think this is a "true and not true" thing... about ten years ago, a (male) friend of mine was a huge EQ player, posing as a female in his guild. He had a (female) (online) (different game playing) friend of his take her picture greeting the guild, or something else with notecards whenever he wanted that kind of thing done. Yes, he posed as a girl... and he got the pictures from a real (cute) one who was also an internet-using game-playing chick, who either didn't play that particular one, or just didn't feel the need to flood the net with pictures of herself.

    While some people do show up to every topic in some places going, "As a female," as if it makes their opinion more relevant to any particular subject, plenty pass under the radar because, y'know... it's not important to what they're saying/doing, or they don't respond to a/s/l calls, or don't have a lot of tildes in their usernames.

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  • DaWaterRatDaWaterRat Posts: 2,885
    edited December 1969

    I... am not sure how to respond.

    As a 100% genuine female bodied and female identifying person, obviously we exist. :)

  • Canary3dCanary3d Posts: 2,033
    edited December 1969

    wancow said:
    So, a friend and I were conversing by email, and I was told about someone I referred to as "He" who had posted some nice work, is actually female...

    I told my friend: "I'm still living in the past, then, when everyone on the internet who claimed to be a girl was a fat, harry man sitting in five day old underwear living in the squalor of his parents garage with fingers orange from eating Cheetos and pizza..."

    Am I the only one who still thinks this way?

    Yes? I've been a woman on the internet since usenet days, and so have most of my women friends. If you hang out in internet sexxxxy chat rooms it might be a bunch of dudes pretending to be women, I guess. But even in there they're probably cops or gangsters trying to swindle you :)

    I'm fat and I like pizza, if that helps, but the rest of it...no.

  • wancowwancow Posts: 2,708
    edited December 1969

    Canary3d said:
    If you hang out in internet sexxxxy chat rooms it might be a bunch of dudes pretending to be women, I guess.

    What? That was sexting???? WHO KNEW!

  • bytescapesbytescapes Posts: 1,849
    edited December 1969

    A colleague once commented: "The Internet. Where men are men. And women are men too. And children are police officers."

    There's also this.

  • cridgitcridgit Posts: 1,757
    edited May 2022

    Redacted

    Post edited by cridgit on
  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,493
    edited March 2013

    inspite on always using my real name (Wendy) as part of my usernames, I still get reffered to as a "he".
    esp on Youtube and I have actual videos of myself and voice over on tutorials (my voice is very annoyingly girly infact instead of womanly).
    I thought it was more of a put down thing actually.
    and yes I am fat and eat pizza too!

    Post edited by WendyLuvsCatz on
  • wancowwancow Posts: 2,708
    edited December 1969

    angusm said:
    A colleague once commented: "The Internet. Where men are men. And women are men too. And children are police officers."

    There's also this.

    That's flipping halarious!!! And the dogs are cute too :)

  • wancowwancow Posts: 2,708
    edited December 1969

    wendy♥catz said:
    inspite on always using my real name (Wendy) as part of my usernames, I still get reffered to as a "he".
    esp on Youtube and I have actual videos of myself and voice over on tutorials (my voice is very annoyingly girly infact instead of womanly).
    I thought it was more of a put down thing actually.
    and yes I am fat and eat pizza too!

    We actually have two distinguished Wendys here, you and Wilmap...

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,493
    edited December 1969

    might be more of us :snake:
    Wilmap puts her name under her posts and mine is in my username but some might be hiding behing other usenames.

  • wancowwancow Posts: 2,708
    edited December 1969

    wendy♥catz said:
    might be more of us :snake:
    Wilmap puts her name under her posts and mine is in my username but some might be hiding behing other usenames.

    I know, that keeps smacking me in the face... like when I called Chohole "he"... it's SOOO annoying!

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited December 1969

    I can be annoying, even if you do admit I am female. At my age I am allowed to be annoying. :coolsmile:

  • almahiedraalmahiedra Posts: 1,353
    edited December 1969

    Canary3d said:
    wancow said:
    So, a friend and I were conversing by email, and I was told about someone I referred to as "He" who had posted some nice work, is actually female...

    I told my friend: "I'm still living in the past, then, when everyone on the internet who claimed to be a girl was a fat, harry man sitting in five day old underwear living in the squalor of his parents garage with fingers orange from eating Cheetos and pizza..."

    Am I the only one who still thinks this way?

    Yes? I've been a woman on the internet since usenet days, and so have most of my women friends. If you hang out in internet sexxxxy chat rooms it might be a bunch of dudes pretending to be women, I guess. But even in there they're probably cops or gangsters trying to swindle you :)

    I'm fat and I like pizza, if that helps, but the rest of it...no.

    The same thing to me. I'm a girl...but... fat and finger-orange-cheetos :DD...without money for build the garage :(

  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 6,288
    edited December 1969

    Well, my impression is that there are a *lot* of females in the various 3D forums, both hobbyists and artists/vendors. But they aren't necessarily the posters with the female icons.

    So I'm assuming that most people just ignore the icons and go by the names. And if the name is more or less gender neutral, they assume male because there are still a lot of 30-year-old stereotypes floating about that anyone who spends any amount of time on a computer must of course be male, since computers are somehow not "feminine" (er, well I suppose they aren't, but then, who cares?). Especially if they spend time on a computer and aren't being paid for it.

    It's stereotyping pretty much on the same order as the "Macs are just toys" argument, which is so old it has moss on it, but it's still around.

  • murgatroyd314murgatroyd314 Posts: 1,540
    edited December 1969

    There are corners of the internet where the opposite is true. For instance, in many fanfiction communities, the assumption is that anyone without a distinctly male name is female.

  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 6,288
    edited December 1969

    Oooooh yeah. Fanfic is a whole other ball game.

    But that just feeds back into the old stereotype of male=visual/female=language skills.

  • SickleYieldSickleYield Posts: 7,644
    edited December 1969

    JOdel said:
    Well, my impression is that there are a *lot* of females in the various 3D forums, both hobbyists and artists/vendors. But they aren't necessarily the posters with the female icons.

    So I'm assuming that most people just ignore the icons and go by the names. And if the name is more or less gender neutral, they assume male because there are still a lot of 30-year-old stereotypes floating about that anyone who spends any amount of time on a computer must of course be male, since computers are somehow not "feminine" (er, well I suppose they aren't, but then, who cares?). Especially if they spend time on a computer and aren't being paid for it.

    It's stereotyping pretty much on the same order as the "Macs are just toys" argument, which is so old it has moss on it, but it's still around.

    Here are my theories on that:

    -Some guys only identify users as female if they're using a unicorn farting rainbows as an avatar and commenting along the lines of "Tee hee! I'm wearing a bra! This render is awesome heart heart heart." And of course most of those users ARE males, because no adult woman who isn't trying to make a living with a webcam and a pair of panties talks that way.


    -Identifying yourself as female is sometimes a bad idea if you want to be taken seriously. Your gender doesn't matter in any context other than sex chat, so if you don't want creepers coming after you for that purpose, it's all around easier to pretend to be male (ESPECIALLY if you play MMOs) or just don't mention it.


    Most guys aren't like that, not at all, but the ones who are are obtrusive, annoying, and sometimes scary. For me all it took was one creepy conversation in DDO:Eberron Unlimited to quit using voice chat so others couldn't tell I was female.

  • tonymousetonymouse Posts: 230
    edited December 1969

    JOdel said:
    Oooooh yeah. Fanfic is a whole other ball game.

    But that just feeds back into the old stereotype of male=visual/female=language skills.

    but what does that say about us who have/like both ;)

  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 6,288
    edited March 2013

    Er, that we're computer geeks?

    ETA: imho, I waited over 30 years before I got near a computer and it turned out to be the tool I'd been waiting for all my life. I don't know what anyone else has to say on the subject, but that's my take on it. Tool? Toy? I don't care so long ans no one gets between it and me.

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  • bytescapesbytescapes Posts: 1,849
    edited December 1969

    tonymouse said:
    JOdel said:
    ... that just feeds back into the old stereotype of male=visual/female=language skills.

    but what does that say about us who have/like both ;)

    Hermaphrodites, obviously.

    More to the point, what does that say about those of us who have neither?

  • SickleYieldSickleYield Posts: 7,644
    edited December 1969

    angusm said:
    tonymouse said:
    JOdel said:
    ... that just feeds back into the old stereotype of male=visual/female=language skills.

    but what does that say about us who have/like both ;)

    Hermaphrodites, obviously.

    More to the point, what does that say about those of us who have neither?

    Robots, obviously.

  • murgatroyd314murgatroyd314 Posts: 1,540
    edited December 1969

    SickleYield said:
    angusm said:
    tonymouse said:
    JOdel said:
    ... that just feeds back into the old stereotype of male=visual/female=language skills.

    but what does that say about us who have/like both ;)

    Hermaphrodites, obviously.

    More to the point, what does that say about those of us who have neither?

    Robots, obviously.

    Or Cetagandan ba.

  • Paula SandersPaula Sanders Posts: 321
    edited December 1969

    I usually use my regular name, but for some reason years ago when I first joined, I used the name of my male dog, batesyboy. I can' t remember why. When I rejoined, I couldn't figure out how to change it. Yes, I am female, but get tired of receiving letters addressed tp Paul.

    Paula Sanders

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,493
    edited December 1969

    I had a friend called Paul who kept getting letters with Paula on them.

  • bytescapesbytescapes Posts: 1,849
    edited March 2013

    Murgatroyd said:
    SickleYield said:
    angusm said:
    ... what does that say about those of us who have neither?

    Robots, obviously.

    Or Cetagandan ba.

    I wonder how many people here will get that reference.

    Now I want to drop everything and start making fan art. For instance, Genesis might just be the perfect tool for modeling Miles and Taura. That would be a striking image ...

    Post edited by bytescapes on
  • SickleYieldSickleYield Posts: 7,644
    edited March 2013

    angusm said:
    Murgatroyd said:
    SickleYield said:
    angusm said:
    ... what does that say about those of us who have neither?

    Robots, obviously.

    Or Cetagandan ba.

    I wonder how many people here will get that reference.

    Now I want to drop everything and start making fan art. Genesis might just be the perfect tool for creating an image of Miles and Taura, for example ...

    DO IT


    Seriously, though, if I EVER see an image of Miles as a four foot nine inch man with a crooked back I'll be impressed. The ones on the covers look not remotely like him.

    Post edited by SickleYield on
  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,598
    edited December 1969

    SickleYield said:
    angusm said:
    Murgatroyd said:
    SickleYield said:
    angusm said:
    ... what does that say about those of us who have neither?

    Robots, obviously.

    Or Cetagandan ba.

    I wonder how many people here will get that reference.

    Now I want to drop everything and start making fan art. Genesis might just be the perfect tool for creating an image of Miles and Taura, for example ...

    DO IT


    Seriously, though, if I EVER see an image of Miles as a four foot nine inch man with a crooked back I'll be impressed. The ones on the covers look not remotely like him.

    +1

  • RCDescheneRCDeschene Posts: 2,801
    edited March 2013

    wendy♥catz said:
    might be more of us :snake:
    Wilmap puts her name under her posts and mine is in my username but some might be hiding behing other usenames.

    Of course! ;)

    - Robert Christopher Deschene

    Post edited by RCDeschene on
  • wancowwancow Posts: 2,708
    edited December 1969

    OMG!!!! Do you think people think I'm a grrl becuz did the whole Princess thread?????

  • SickleYieldSickleYield Posts: 7,644
    edited December 1969

    wancow said:
    OMG!!!! Do you think people think I'm a grrl becuz did the whole Princess thread?????

    Well, first of all, I've never heard a female unironically use grrl. So no. ;)


    Also, the image of Alfred E. Neuman. A woman could certainly use that as an avatar, but it's impossible to look at it and imagine one.

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