Product description - prerequisites
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I recently bought the following item:
Tank Tops and Undershirts Collection
I'm not sure why I have never thought of this before but, since I can use V4 clothes on Genesis, I assumed the reverse was true. I bought this item with a V4 project in mind (for reasons I don't need to go into, I can't use Genesis shapes, I have to use the original V4) and I was drawn to it by this from the product description:
Custom morphs for M4, M5, M5H, V4, V5, V5SM, S5 and S5M ensure optimized results on those figures, of course the other Genesis shapes work fine as well.
So I assumed that V4 would work. It didn't occur to me that "M4" and "V4" meant the shapes - which are an additional purchase. Now, I have been buying from DAZ for plenty of years and this distinction slipped past my notice. Think how confused a newbie might be?
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Genesis clothes have never been ale to fit to V4 out of the box, Autofit has always worked one way, fitting older generation clothing TO Genesis, and never from Genesis. It also clearly states that the item is for Genesis.
Are you using DS or Poser?
If you are using Poser and have version 8 or better, you have Wardrobe Wizard. To use the product, you would need to purchase the Genesis add on and the V4 add on (WW only provides free support for Poser included content version 4 and up) to convert these to V4 but it can be done.
The main problem is Autofit is a one way conversion for Genesis and V4. You can convert V4 to Genesis but not Genesis to V4. I don't know if Autofit is a two way conversion between Genesis and G2F as I don't use either one.
Well, I know that now, of course. Still, aren't there some products that have both Genesis and V4 versions included - or am I thinking of just characters?
I don't have Poser, though I have been tempted recently. I'm just getting a little wallet-weary from new releases when the old ones are hardly out of diapers yet. I still have a lot of V4/A4/M4 stuff but also went on a Genesis buying spree over the past year or so. I will not be investing in V6 and her brothers & sisters in the foreseeable future.
Sarsa and Lady Littlefox have made products for both V4 and Genesis. IIRC, Florabelle has both versions included but most are sold either as V4 version of Genesis version. Both versions use the same texture sets.
There are some items that have fits for both, mostly hair items I think. Some clothing was originally V4 and a new version released for Genesis. The point about Genesis clothing, is that it fits (almost) any other Genesis character, that is what I like about it.
There are some items that have fits for both, mostly hair items I think. Some clothing was originally V4 and a new version released for Genesis. The point about Genesis clothing, is that it fits (almost) any other Genesis character, that is what I like about it.
There are a few outfits in the store that include both V4 and Genesis versions:
http://www.daz3d.com/florabelle-for-v4-and-genesis
http://www.daz3d.com/purple-rain-outfit
I think there may be others, but those are the two I remember.
Edit: some more...
http://www.daz3d.com/just-jokin
http://www.daz3d.com/aussie-girl-outfit
http://www.daz3d.com/frankie-outfit
As far as the Tank Tops product is concerned, the product page does indicate that Genesis is the only compatible figure, though I agree that the use of the word "figures" is a little ambiguous. If you really want to use it on V4, you can try putting it on an invisible Genesis character that's been morphed and posed to match (or nearly match) your V4 figure...kind of a tricky process but I've seen it done!
Wow, I would never have thought of that. Probably less effort to find a similar item for V4 (Hongyu, maybe?) - I'll check. These Genesis only items will be used so I'm not asking for a refund.
Wow, I would never have thought of that. Probably less effort to find a similar item for V4 (Hongyu, maybe?) - I'll check. These Genesis only items will be used so I'm not asking for a refund.
I use this technique quite a bit, it isn't that difficult and really expands an item's usefulness.
In this shot I have a V6 "Norma" character but the overdress would do the cling-wrap and mold to the undercut of the the breast and I didn't want that, so there is a invisible V4 (or might be V5, don't recall) wearing that overdress in the same space as V6.
It's a good trick to have in your bag-o-tricks
Very clever lads, thanks for the tip.
Aren't these forums great?
The reverse is also true. Set Genesis to V4 shape, load V4 and her clothing and hide her. If you parent V4 to Genesis, the clothing will follow the rotation/translation of Genesis, but posing becomes tricky. Not many items need this (especially with Sickle's SRMS as an option), but for those that do, the option's there.
OK - so let me get this straight (because I now want to give it a try)... I see that I do have V4/M4 shapes for Genesis (I also have Gen-X but I'm not sure whether that is needed). I have never used them - got them while they were on sale and just never got around to playing.
So I load a scene with a heavily morphed V4 character. I then load Genesis and - well, how do I transfer the morphs from V4 to Genesis? Anyhow, when that is done, I parent Genesis to V4 and clothe her with Genesis clothing, right? Then make the Genesis figure invisible and the clothing will look like it is conforming to V4? Genesis will follow all the movements and poses of V4 too - is that right?
It is getting late here and I'm a bit tired but I'd love to give this a try in the morning. If it isn't too much hassle, it will be a very worthwhile technique.
Thank you all.
[Edit] Found a quick tutorial for Gen-X here: http://takoyakida.webs.com/videos/GenX_Tut.htm ... I'll be giving it a go shortly.
OK - I managed to get a Genesis character using Gen-X and V4 Shapes. It is close but not close enough. And posing doesn't work the same way for the V4 original and the Genesis clone. Legs and arms and head don't align, etc. I guess it might be ok for a minimally morphed character but not for my project. Afraid it is back to looking for V4 clothing again.
Nevertheless, I learned a lot from this exercise and will no doubt apply it in future - thanks again.
When purchasing figure related items, always check and see the Additional info Tab for which figure its compatible with
I noticed that too late. Never mind.
I must have dozens of items in my runtime that don't work very well - I spend hours trying to get things to fit and the frustration grows. However, in this case, I bought the wrong item - my fault. The "other store" sells stuff which is mainly for Poser and sometimes they will tell you whether it works in DS and sometimes not. It is always a risk. There are just too many variables and the vendors don't have the time or the means to test everything. Smoothing and push modifiers help a great deal but sometimes the mesh goes crazy when those are applied.
I saw a comic (adult, so I won't link it) by Erogenesis - he seems to get things to work so nicely but then he uses Poser and he makes some of his own props and clothes. I don't have Poser nor do I have those skills.
Can you give the name of a specific clothing item that you cannot get to fit the figure it was intended for? I am sure we can help.
I never use Smoothing or Push modifiers, and my clothing works on all of my models, unless of course, I am using an extreme pose, but there are usually ways of dealing with that. Is that what you mean?
Can you give the name of a specific clothing item that you cannot get to fit the figure it was intended for? I am sure we can help.
I never use Smoothing or Push modifiers, and my clothing works on all of my models, unless of course, I am using an extreme pose, but there are usually ways of dealing with that. Is that what you mean?
The figure it was intended for is fine if it is not morphed. But I don't like the standard body shapes - I like to have all shapes and sizes - fat and flat, tall and short, old and young. Most clothing only fits the standard shapes or slight variations. All the DAZ promo pictures are pretty standard shapes.
I really don't have any idea how you get V4 clothes to fit without the smoothing. I don't need to give you one example - I can say that I NEVER get anything to fit. If I do, after lots of fiddling with parameters, the moment I change the pose it is all a mess again. I have to resort to hiding holes in clothing behind judiciously placed hands and knees, etc. I am really amazed that you have so little trouble which suggests that I have been doing it wrong from day one.
If you're willing, invest in Sickleyield's Rigging and Morphing System (SRMS) for Genesis here in the store. Using that instead of the standard autofit templates has brought more of V4's wardrobe back into play for me. It's pretty pricey when it's not on sale, so it's up to you if you want to wait for a sale if you're wanting to buy it.
http://www.daz3d.com/sickle-rigging-and-morphing-system
Also, if you're looking for morphs to create characters other than runway models, take a look at Zev0's store. He's been good at creating morphs to help with all body types.
http://www.daz3d.com/zev067
I'm having problems in the other direction - I want clothes to fit V4.
As for Zev0 - yes, I have quite a few of his products ... as I said, I like to use all manner of human shapes.
If you are using morphs for V4 which are not already in the clothing, use Transfer Active Morphs,( it used to be called Morph Follower in DS3) and that puts the morphs form the figure into the clothing items for you. It may not always work perfectly even at that, but you can also hide body parts, or use the excellent PokeAway which was on sale for a long time for $1.00
It is still on sale, I just looked : http://www.daz3d.com/poke-away but it is only for Genesis
Again, you have come up with something I didn't know how to use or what its purpose might be: Transfer Active Morphs. So this will cause the clothing to adopt the same underlying shape of the body - am I assuming correctly? I must be missing the tutorials somehow. I think it is more a case of not knowing what to ask and not knowing the terminology - even after years of tinkering.
Yes, that is basically what it is for, to put the body morphs that you have used into the clothing. Some clothing items already have many of the morphs that you might use included in them, the Product Page should help with that.
It is not a perfect solution, but it should give you a better start at least. Hiding body parts is the simplest way of all, of course, but it is not always practical either, since they may extend into a visible area as well. Smoothing should help too, and between all of these methods, poke through can usually be overcome.
You can also send the clothed figure to Hexagon, and it has tools that can be used to move the figure mesh like deformers can, and you can send it back to DS, and it will create a morph slider for you to use.
Ohh, sorry. I was under the assumption you were having problems fitting V4 clothing onto Genesis. As far as V4 clothing on V4, I don't see how that would be an issue. I've never had any poke-through using a figure's own clothing.
Unless you're trying to get Genesis clothing onto V4, in which case, not really going to happen unless you adjust the model and rigging around V4.
Well, that's how the conversation started but it came around to the fact that I have problems getting any clothing to fit nicely on V4. The best way I have found so far is to use smoothing and push modifiers - they do make quite a difference. Now I need to try the morph transfer thing too because my figures tend to be quite extensively morphed.