Questions on the Sickle Dress Rig Genesis 2 Female Product
CathyM
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Hi! Sorry if there is already a thread on this somewhere, I tried to search for one but couldn't find any information - I'd love more information on this product if possible - for example, can you also use it for adding handles to clothing for Genesis (1)?
Is it just dresses, or could it be used to add handles to blouses and shirts? I am just beginning to try to learn how to do this sort of thing, I have the Sickle Rigging and Morphing System and am still trying to work out using that - (I'm pretty slow, trying to learn how to do too many things at once, I think :red:)
Would I need to convert V4 clothing with the Sickle Rigging and Morphing System to fit Genesis, and THEN use this to fit Genesis 2?
Also, I can't tell from the pictures how well the Sickle Dress Rig for Genesis 2 is working - are there still problems with the long skirts tearing and bunching at the bottom? What about capes and cloaks, and collars?
Thanks for any advice, and would love to see pictures of results by people using this:-) -Cathy
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There's a manual you can look at by sickle, let me find it again and tell you where is it.
Edit: It's in...
C: / users / public / public documents / my daz 3d library / read me / 16753sickledressriggenesis2female.pdf
In this guide it have different ways to rig the dress.
I was also confused at first until I found sickle's guide.
Hi Zenrel! Thanks for your reply - I haven't yet bought this product - was hoping to find out more about it first, but I did find the pdf online at http://docs.daz3d.com/lib/exe/fetch.php/public/read_me/index/16753/16753_sickledressriggenesis2female.pdf by finding the readme page.
I guess I'm still a little confused - it seems to say that in order to put handles on a dress or long skirt for original Genesis, I'd have to convert it to Genesis 2, then put the handles on, then convert it back by having the product that can make a genesis 2 clone for genesis 1? :ohh: Is that what the Genesis 2 clone to Genesis 1 does? Is that product basically so that Genesis 1 can wear Genesis 2 clothes?
I guess I am not getting all this. I know I probably should just leave it alone since I don't understand it, but I really WOULD like to be able to fix skirts and long coats and things. Thanks for any further help anyone can offer, or pictures of their results with this (or these?) tools.
-Cathy
It might fix skirts and autofit - in a mesh - better than the default autofit would but after that you'd probably have to add your own handles or adjust some of existing bones. I don't know what sort of handles this product adds so I can't say if they will be sufficient for your needs.
Is figure that you want to rig/fix skirts for Genesis or G2F?
The purpose of the dress rig is to fit Genesis 1 dresses and skirts and coats, tunics etc., to G2F.
The purpose of the CLONE is to fit G2F clothes to Genesis 1.
If you want to fit a Genesis 1 outfit with skirt handles to G2F, you would follow the instructions in the manual. You would just use autofit and choose the Basic Dress template as an option. You should be able to do this with V4 items to G2F, too.
If you wanted to fit a Genesis 1 dress or item with extra bones BESIDES skirt handles to G2F, you would follow the bonus section at the end of the manual, which has instructions for just that. THIS PART will ONLY work with G1, not V4.
Is this not clear, and if so, which part? I know sometimes I'm not as good at explaining these things as I would like.
Thanks Kattey and Sickleyield for replying! Okay, I think I am understanding now.
I guess I wasn't clear on what I was hoping for Kattey, I would like to be able to use long skirts and cloaks and tunics, etc. that were made for V4, (or M4) as well as some of the clothing made for Genesis that didn't come with any sit/adjustment morphs, on the original Genesis.
I would also like to use the same clothes on Genesis 2. From what I understand, Sickleyield, you are saying that this product WILL do that, so that is at least part of what I need :)
However it would not add handles to V4/Genesis clothing to use on Genesis itself? I am not at all experienced in modeling or even morphing anything, I guess I need to learn how to do at least basics - so many of the things everyone seems to be able to understand so easily just go over my head. As I said I do have the 1st Sickle Rigging System, and have just started trying to work with that, but so far haven't found anything in it about adding movement handles, which may well be included and I've just missed it.
Anyway, thanks for helping, I can see a need for this to fit clothing to Genesis 2 female, and maybe after working with both these systems for awhile, I will catch on to how it all works. I've been trying to figure out what I'm doing with 3d art for nearly 2 years, and I'm still waiting for a lot of things to sink into my head lol. -Cathy
This also answers my question as well. Thanks SickleYield. :)
Fitting items to Genesis that were made for Gen 4 is best accomplished using SRMS. Gen 4 cloaks are better parented than converted/conformed given the way they're usually set up.
Anything you do using the SRMS Dress Template will add handles.
Sorry to necro-thread, but this is the topic I wanted, so might as well :D
Does the Dress Rig work with/for Gen 4 stuff?
How does the Dress Rig work vs Sickle's smoothers?
Yes! You do need to have the Gen 4 clones that come with Michael 4 and Victoria 4 for Genesis 2 Male and Female respectively to convert from Gen 4 using the Dress Rig.
The Dress Rig is for adding manual skirt handles to longer items. The Smoother is for improving the look of individual FBMs. Their functionalities do not overlap at all, and they can be used together.
Thanks for the reply (and speedy! :D)
Will it work on short dresses? or just long? Big flouncy ones or just tight fiting?
Or is that the province of the smoother prduct(s)
(In the piece I did for the Newbie Xmas contest, the character's had dresses with short skirts that were flouncy, and wide,, autofitted from v4 to G2f...I spent a lot of time playing with what morphs I could to get rid of the "V" effect, and ultimately did clean up in photoshop)
It works all right for most skirts that aren't split front/back, regardless of their size. It won't allow you to sit a character in a skirt that had no sit helpers to start with, mind.
Getting rid of the V depends on whether it is a product of the original conversion (which is best accomplished by using transfer utility and not autofit, then adding a smoothing modifier) or of your mixture of morphs (in which case the Smoothers are your best bet).
For that matter, if the item has special bones you really want to keep instead of the four-bone setup that the Dress Template adds, you might prefer to use this:
http://sickleyield.deviantart.com/journal/Tutorial-Saving-Gen-4-Custom-Bones-on-Conversion-417250347
hmm, good reading so far. Thanks for asking CathyM, and the answers everyone.
So none of the whatever-there-called with the overlapping split (attached example pic). I can understand that, as it would be a major pain to mimic movement anyway. Probably only possible with dynamic, assuming that doesn't turn things into Pretzel-gones, lol..
And the Skirt-Flower, lol. Well, at least it's a good chuckle, till you try to pose a figure in a serious scene with one. So the question begets, how many D-forms can one put on a single skirt in a single scene before Daz Studio goes supernova, lol.
I picked up I think the Gen5 version of this, and That was for future experimentation mostly. I was under the impression this was mostly for making new stuff, and to help make the process a tad easier? Now This has four bone-chains I'm guessing from that (Left, right, center-front, center-back?)? can this be used for rigging up a 'new' dress (Imported From Hexagon), not just something already made for something else?
Or am I off in left field, if not lost way out there in that distant galaxy?
It has two bone chains and four skirt bones (left upper, right upper, left lower, right lower).
Nothing can ever be used to auto-rig an overlapping skirt. That will always require custom work to work properly.
Thanks for answering SickleYield. My apologies if I'm not having much of a clue, I'm still reading that PDF for the first time.
Transfer Utility (little arrow icon)? Never-mind, found it in the "Edit -> Object" menu (Also under "Edit -> Figure" as well.). I know they did move some of the things around recently, I'm using Studio 4.7.
Is there a specific one (Transfer Utility) I should use for cloths, or are they the same thing?
It's always "Transfer Utility" with you :D
THAT, I think, is the tool/skill i need to learn to use next. Hopefully I can find some well written tutorials...(I'll start at your dA account, as I think I saw one there). Edit" nope. wasn't from you..I'll have to keep looking :)