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Dynamic Clothing question

xaviorbat_0cb88f6d6dxaviorbat_0cb88f6d6d Posts: 46
edited December 1969 in Daz Studio Discussion

I've created a basic cape in hexagon. I want it to be a Dynamic cape in Daz3d. How do I go from the static prop that doesn't move, to a cape?

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  • JimmyC_2009JimmyC_2009 Posts: 8,891
    edited December 1969

    You cannot make Dynamic Clothing for use in DAZ Studio.

    All of the DC available for DS is made using the Optitex software, and runs using the Otptiex DCC plugin. If you make a cape in Hex, you could probably use it in Poser as Dynamic, but not DS, sorry.

  • stalyvegasseb_d38d7ce0d8stalyvegasseb_d38d7ce0d8 Posts: 5
    edited December 1969

    Hi, just come across this thread looking for answers to similar and now wondering, does this mean that even with Daz 3D Pro 4.6, Content Creator Toolkit, and the Dynamic Clothing Control plugins that I still cannot create dynamic content? If so there are one or two misleading product names on that list

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited December 1969

    stalyvegasseb said:
    Hi, just come across this thread looking for answers to similar and now wondering, does this mean that even with Daz 3D Pro 4.6, Content Creator Toolkit, and the Dynamic Clothing Control plugins that I still cannot create dynamic content? If so there are one or two misleading product names on that list

    I am sorry, I don't quite understand what you are saying, can you be more specific. Which list is this?

  • JimmyC_2009JimmyC_2009 Posts: 8,891
    edited August 2013

    DAZ Studio is not a modelling program of any kind, so you cannot 'create' clothing inside DS, you need to make your clothing in a modelling program. Once you have the basic mesh created, you can take it into DS, and rig it, using the CCT, and create conforming clothing, so that the clothing will move with the figure is was designed for.

    Dynamic clothing, does not contain any rigging, and requires the Dynamic Clothing Control (DCC) to drape the mesh onto the figure, using collision detection. Dynamic clothing only works in DS by using the DCC, and it requires specialist software by Optitex to create the clothing..

    EDIT: sorry Cho, XPost - you beat me this time :-)

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  • stalyvegasseb_d38d7ce0d8stalyvegasseb_d38d7ce0d8 Posts: 5
    edited December 1969

    The list I was referring to was the list of products/ plugins I listed in the post. The practical upshot of all of this is that even if I use Hexagon/ maya/ AN Other modelling software to create a dynamic clothing mesh, I can't use it in Daz 3d even with the DCC plugin? The only Dynamic clothing content that works in Daz 3d is all created by Optitex and no user-created dynamic clothing can possibly be made to work in Daz 3d?

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited December 1969

    Dynamic clothing for use in DS can only be created using the Optitex program, which is not cheap.

  • Kari_AhlstromKari_Ahlstrom Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    You can always use Marvelous Designer and DazStudio avatars to easily design and drape dynamic clothing and then import the finished clothing model to DazStudio to be used as part of the scene. But of course it is a cumbersome method.

    In my mind the lack of proper dynamic clothing is the biggest irritation point in DazStudio

  • JaderailJaderail Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    Reinhold Pupu said:
    You can always use Marvelous Designer and DazStudio avatars to easily design and drape dynamic clothing and then import the finished clothing model to DazStudio to be used as part of the scene. But of course it is a cumbersome method.

    In my mind the lack of proper dynamic clothing is the biggest irritation point in DazStudio

    We have Proper Dynamic clothing, it's just from one supplier Optitex.
  • Kari_AhlstromKari_Ahlstrom Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    What I meant of course is that without the ability to design and create your own clothing models, DazStudio does not have a “proper” dynamic clothing solution. I think that current situation is not what most of the users are expecting from dynamic clothing solution.

  • Herald of FireHerald of Fire Posts: 3,504
    edited August 2013

    A cloth room ala Poser would be the ideal addition to any future Daz Studio releases. I think the monopolized dynamic clothing in Daz Studio does indeed let the side down a little, considering it would have been easy to give users the ability to 'clothify' objects via the same plugin. I think more people would be willing to pay for the dynamic clothing controls plugin if there were fewer restrictions on what you could use with it.

    I'm fortunate in that I can bypass it entirely and rely on Poser's cloth room to do any drapes which I can then import into Daz Studio. It means I can drape ANY item of clothing, not just the ones designed for the plugin and I find that the drapes are much more accurate as a result.

    Conversely, drapes I've done using the plugin have invariably had serious poke-through issues. It's possible those clear up with the paid plugin, but I confess it's not a particularly good first impression and unlikely to convince many users to part with cash for a system which may not be much of an improvement.

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  • Kari_AhlstromKari_Ahlstrom Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    Yes. I agree that in theory Poser has very good dynamic clothing solution in a sense that it is easy to use and it allows you to design your own clothing items. But Posers dynamic clothing engine is not very advanced, unless it has developed significantly during the past few years. When I used it, I constantly had troubles and hangs with demanding poses (like making your character sit wearing trousers) and you couldn’t even think about putting two dynamic clothing items on top of each other (like shirt and jacket). But of course I don’t know how good the engine is now.

    I like Marvelous Designer because it makes designing your own clothes so very easy (no modeling experience needed) and because it is fast and astonishingly capable. Alas it seems they are not going to deliver DazStudio plugin even thou the company promised it when the program first came to market a few years ago.

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited August 2013

    Reinhold Pupu said:
    Yes. I agree that in theory Poser has very good dynamic clothing solution in a sense that it is easy to use and it allows you to design your own clothing items. But Posers dynamic clothing engine is not very advanced, unless it has developed significantly during the past few years. When I used it, I constantly had troubles and hangs with demanding poses (like making your character sit wearing trousers) and you couldn’t even think about putting two dynamic clothing items on top of each other (like shirt and jacket). But of course I don’t know how good the engine is now.

    I like Marvelous Designer because it makes designing your own clothes so very easy (no modeling experience needed) and because it is fast and astonishingly capable. Alas it seems they are not going to deliver DazStudio plugin even thou the company promised it when the program first came to market a few years ago.

    As regards Poser Dynamics, this was a quick one I did with a dynamic skirt from DAZ 3D store.

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  • Kari_AhlstromKari_Ahlstrom Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    That is very nice. And a beautiful woman too. So much more convincing than conforming clothing.

  • RodrakRodrak Posts: 81
    edited December 1969

    I'm curious... why is it only Optitex software capable of doing DS compatible clothes? Anyone actually checked what's so special in a optitex clothing that cannot be reproduced elsewhere? Especially now when you can actually check the dsf/duf file(s) and see what's there instead of digging inside binary files like in the past.

  • JaderailJaderail Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    Optitex and DAZ 3D have a legal contract. Until that contract ends DAZ 3D can not add another Dynamic option.

  • M F MM F M Posts: 1,388
    edited August 2013

    I noticed one or two of the Genesis-2 refits of dynamic clothing did not appear to list Optitex on the vendors line (looking specifically at Dynamic Classics from SimonWM ... and I thought there was another package around that time as well... but can't find it now). Does this imply there's some intermediate form of clothing the vendor has that no longer requires Optitex input to refit to new characters?

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  • JaderailJaderail Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    You can work with the Optitex DAZ Vendor to get items made if they decide to do so. The info on how that is Done would best be found in the Dynamic Thread, whichever is the most current, as they are in that thread as things for DAZ 3D are developed.

  • RodrakRodrak Posts: 81
    edited December 1969

    I didn't ask about different dynamic clothing plugin, but about the clothes. What's so special in optitex clothing that cannot be recreated in another program/plugin/script and then used with optitex clothing control? Somehow this "only in expensive optitex program" sounds really fishy.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,291
    edited December 1969

    Optitex uses a proprietary system, it isn't a general-purpose soft-body simulator but it takes patterns and puts them together to make clothing (that's why you can, with the control version, select the individual pieces of fabric and change their properties). It would be nice to have a general purpose clothifier too, and we don't actually know the terms of the contract between Optitex and DAZ so it may be possible (or a third party could create one - there was, at one time, some work on a Bullet implementation) but the Optitex system can't just clothify an arbitrary OBJ..

  • RodrakRodrak Posts: 81
    edited December 1969

    Thanks for the answer. I have loaded an optitex freebie into DS46, saved it as duf and looked inside. It seems there's an embedded extra UV map "OptitexUVSet" in the .dsf file and a long list of stitches in the .duf. While some skilled programmer could probably write a tool to create compatible clothes, auto-conversion seems extremely unlikely to happen :down:

  • mcpughmcpugh Posts: 98
    edited December 1969

    I haven't been able to use the Dynamic Clothing "feature" of DAZ either. I've tried three different articles of clothing, one dynamic and two not so much, and each time it tells me "You must select cloth object to affect before setting collision objects." I've selected each individually and all together and still get the same error. I mean why bother putting it in DAZ if it's not going to work?

    I've considered Poser's Clothes room but am worried that whatever I create there won't work in DAZ. I like DAZ because it's much easier than Poser, but these "extra features" seem to be dead weight to the program.

  • JimmyC_2009JimmyC_2009 Posts: 8,891
    edited December 1969

    I’ve tried three different articles of clothing, one dynamic and two not so much, and each time it tells me “You must select cloth object to affect before setting collision objects


    DAZ Studio only uses Dynamic Clothing made by Optitex as the vendor. Normal meshes do not work at all.

    What the plugin is telling you, is that you MUST use DAZ Studio Dynamic Clothing, NOT Poser dynamic clothing or conforming clothing, ONLY clothing specially made to work with the plugin.

    The control does what it is supposed to do, and I can assure you that there are no 'dead weight' features in DAZ Studio.
  • mcpughmcpugh Posts: 98
    edited December 1969

    Okay, so forgive me for my ignorance, but most of the clothes I tried came from DAZ. If I did a search for "dynamic" and looked in the "Clothing and Accessories" category, should any of those work with this plug in. If not, can you point me to a shirt or pants that does work with this plugin?

  • Herald of FireHerald of Fire Posts: 3,504
    edited December 1969

    Can you give some examples of the items you were looking at? There are some Poser dynamics in the store which are intended to be used in Poser's Cloth room rather than Daz's dynamics. Make sure you purchase the right kind!

  • JimmyC_2009JimmyC_2009 Posts: 8,891
    edited December 1969

    I don't know what clothing you have bought, or are trying to use? If you list some of the clothing items that you are trying to us, perhaps we can be of more help.

    Searching for Dynamic might help, but only if you have download the correct type of clothing.

    I typed in the word - OPTITEX - in the Search box at the top of the Shop page, and I got the following :

    http://www.daz3d.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=optitex&x=0&y=0

    There are 146 items in the list.

  • mcpughmcpugh Posts: 98
    edited December 1969

    Yes, just to see if it works, I tried these:
    http://www.daz3d.com/daydream
    http://www.daz3d.com/classic-casual-for-v4
    And something called T-shirt Dress which I can't find anymore in DAZ but seed to be a Christmas item.

    Before that, I tried the tankini and t-shirt that comes with DAZ.

    So are these 146 items from the search you gave the only things that will work in the DAZ Dynamic Clothing plugin?

  • JaderailJaderail Posts: 0
    edited June 2014

    None of those are Dynamic items. All Dynamic items SAY they are Dynamic in the INFO. Just as ALL this does.. now watch the info for Poser or DAZ Studio in the INFO as well...
    http://www.daz3d.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=dynamic&x=0&y=0
    And YES the 146 items are ALL of them at this time.

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  • JimmyC_2009JimmyC_2009 Posts: 8,891
    edited December 1969

    The first link is for conforming clothing for Genesis - it is NOT Dynamic, so it does not require the plugin. There are morphs with it for positioning the clothing.

    The second link is also for a conforming clothing set for Victoria 4 (do you have that figure?). It can be fitted to Genesis using the Autofit plugin which comes with DAZ Studio.

    All of the items I linked to, have 'Optitex' as the vendor at the top of the Product Page, and they all have the word Dynamic in the description.

    So are these 146 items from the search you gave the only things that will work in the DAZ Dynamic Clothing plugin?


    Yes, but there are loads of other clothing items for all of the figures that DAZ 3D make, why do you need to have Dynamic?
  • mcpughmcpugh Posts: 98
    edited December 1969

    I apologize for calling the plugin a dead weight. I'm just so tired of paying for stuff that doesn't do what I thought it would.

    I'm trying to create a messy room with clothes on the floor. The messy part is easy, but the dirty clothes on the floor is not. So far, the clothes on the floor props that I did find all look like playdoh that has been folded over. An old tut that I found said that this can be accomplished through DAZ's Dynamic Clothes plugin. So I started buying clothes, any clothes, that can be converted to a clothes pile on the floor.

  • JaderailJaderail Posts: 0
    edited June 2014

    yahzown said:
    I apologize for calling the plugin a dead weight. I'm just so tired of paying for stuff that doesn't do what I thought it would.

    I'm trying to create a messy room with clothes on the floor. The messy part is easy, but the dirty clothes on the floor is not. So far, the clothes on the floor props that I did find all look like playdoh that has been folded over. An old tut that I found said that this can be accomplished through DAZ's Dynamic Clothes plugin. So I started buying clothes, any clothes, that can be converted to a clothes pile on the floor.

    The problem is you have not bought Dynamic items. And if all you need is clothing in a pile on the floor why not just go get the Free Dynamic clothing from the Optitex site? http://www.optitex-dynamiccloth.com/FreebieDownload01.php all free here...
    16 pages of free Dynamic DAZ Studio items...
    Post edited by Jaderail on
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