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[SOLVED] L.I.E. tattoos render too light

pufflehuffpufflehuff Posts: 28
edited August 2018 in Technical Help (nuts n bolts)

When I apply an LIE tattoo, they render out very light, they almost look washed out! 

I apply the LIE asset over an MLD skin material and it looks fine in the active viewport, but when I render it, it's very faint.

 

 

Any advice on what's happening here would be greatly appreciated. :D

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  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,870

    Are you rendering in Iray or 3Delight? What is an "MLD" skin? Is the tatto LIE layer opacity set too low?

  • pufflehuffpufflehuff Posts: 28
    edited August 2018
    barbult said:

    Are you rendering in Iray or 3Delight? What is an "MLD" skin? Is the tatto LIE layer opacity set too low?

    I'm rendering in IRAY

    I actually don't know xD When I select a skin I see 3 different types throughout various products, MLD, RSL, and just a regular .MAT file. 

    As for the opacity, I don't tend to tinker with those settings, but I can tell you I don't get this issue with the regular .MAT skin files. Perhaps it's something to do with the MLD/RSL files. :\ I'm currently testing something out where I equip a .MAT skin, then change the .JGP in the Surfaces tab.

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  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,870
    Ah, you mean MDL. That means it is a material suitable for the Iray render engine. RSL is a material for the 3delight render engine. I don't know about MAT. I wonder if that might be for Poser software instead of Daz Studio. Is the tattoo product you are applying made for Iray? What product is it?
  • pufflehuffpufflehuff Posts: 28
    barbult said:
    Ah, you mean MDL. That means it is a material suitable for the Iray render engine. RSL is a material for the 3delight render engine. I don't know about MAT. I wonder if that might be for Poser software instead of Daz Studio. Is the tattoo product you are applying made for Iray? What product is it?

    WHOOPS! Sorry about the mix up ><

    It's these two:

    https://www.daz3d.com/downloader/customer/files/prod/46731/

    https://www.daz3d.com/lie-tattoo-presets-2-for-genesis-3-and-8-male

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,870
    The first link goes to your product library in your Daz account, which I can't see. Can you link to the product in the Daz store instead ( like you did for the second link)? The store page for the tattoo product (your second link) has some instructions for helping you decide which tattoo file to use, based on the surface settings used for your character. Did you see those instructions? They might help. The creator of that tattoo product is active in the forums from time to time. Perhaps you could send him a personal message to ask him about it if we can't figure it out.
  • pufflehuffpufflehuff Posts: 28
    edited August 2018
    barbult said:
    The first link goes to your product library in your Daz account, which I can't see. Can you link to the product in the Daz store instead ( like you did for the second link)? The store page for the tattoo product (your second link) has some instructions for helping you decide which tattoo file to use, based on the surface settings used for your character. Did you see those instructions? They might help. The creator of that tattoo product is active in the forums from time to time. Perhaps you could send him a personal message to ask him about it if we can't figure it out.

    DOUBLE WHOOPS. By the way, thanks for helping me this far and for being so patient xD

    Correct link>> https://www.daz3d.com/inked-vol-14-american-traditional-for-genesis-8-male-s-299

    The Skin I'm using >> https://www.daz3d.com/fwsa-chace-hd-for-genesis-8-male

    And yes, I followed those instructions letting me know I could use the other set, but I get the same issue with both, oddly. The lightness doesn't seem to change when I reload the base texture and apply the alternative set. Here's an image of the product and the error I'm getting. (I should have uploaded this to start with)

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  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,870
    Are both tattoo products rendering too light? You aren't layering one product's tattoo over the other on the same body part are you? That might cause some problem. Are you sure you are using the Iray skin materials on the Chace character and not the AoA materials? Sorry for more questions than answers. I hope we can figure it out.
  • pufflehuffpufflehuff Posts: 28
    edited August 2018
    barbult said:
    Are both tattoo products rendering too light? You aren't layering one product's tattoo over the other on the same body part are you? That might cause some problem. Are you sure you are using the Iray skin materials on the Chace character and not the AoA materials? Sorry for more questions than answers. I hope we can figure it out.

    Yes, they're both rendering too light.

    And no, I'm not. I reload the base skin each time just to eliminate any overlapping problems. I even tried loading a fresh Gen8 figure and still, the issue persists. :S

    I thought I was, how do I tell? (btw, Chace has several translucencies...I didn't use any of them) Here are the skins that display the issue.

    Here is a set where both sets a tattoos show up just fine. >> https://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/bernat-for-genesis-8-male/127187/

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  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,870
    edited August 2018

    For iray you should be using the MDL version of Chace All Maps. After applying them, when you open the Surfaces pane and select one of the skin surfaces, look at the top of the pane Editor tab and you should see Shader: Uray Uber. That is how you know you have applied iray skin materials.

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  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,870
    Hmmm. So do I understand correctly that both tattoo products work on Bernat but neither works on Chace?
  • pufflehuffpufflehuff Posts: 28
    edited August 2018
    barbult said:
    For iray you should be using the MDL version of Chace All Maps. After applying them, when you open the Surfaces pane and select one of the skin surfaces, look at the top of the pane Efitor tab and you should see Shader: Uray Uber. That is how you know you have applied iray skin materials.

    Then, yes, I am using the one for IRAY. ^^

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  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,870
    edited August 2018

    It sounds like you are doing everything right. Have you tried any other character from the Daz store other than Chace? Maybe there is something unusual/wrong with that product.

    Another thought - are you using the latest version of Daz Studio, 4.10.0.123 or some old version?

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  • pufflehuffpufflehuff Posts: 28

    Yep all up to date :D!

    I tried it on Bernat for G8 from the Renderosity store...works perfectly fine. It seems to be something with that Chace skin. I think I'll open a ticket and see what CS can do from this point on. It might be an issue with this particular skin package.

     

     

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,870

    I did send a PM to DarwinsMishap a few minutes ago to see if he could take a look at this thread if he has time. He may have an idea.He is the PA that created one of the tattoo packages you are using.

    Customer service should have access to all the products in the Daz store, so they should be able to try to reproduce and diagnose your problem. When you submit your help request, include a step by step procedure to reproduce the problem. That will help them help you much faster.

  • pufflehuffpufflehuff Posts: 28
    barbult said:

    I did send a PM to DarwinsMishap a few minutes ago to see if he could take a look at this thread if he has time. He may have an idea.He is the PA that created one of the tattoo packages you are using.

    Customer service should have access to all the products in the Daz store, so they should be able to try to reproduce and diagnose your problem. When you submit your help request, include a step by step procedure to reproduce the problem. That will help them help you much faster.

    Oh wow, thanks!! 

    And will do, thanks again! ^^

  • DarwinsMishapDarwinsMishap Posts: 4,087

    Thank you, Barbult, for PMing me. :)  Much appreciated.  I haven't had a lot of time lately to wander through the forums, so that was perfect.

    Hi Pufflehuff!  So.  Issue with Ink? 

    I didn't have Chace, but I went ahead and purchased him so I could get an honest answer for you.

    Now, Chace, out of the box.  After opening up the Surfaces tab and clicking on his Arm (since it's the first material zone in there, yanno) - lo-and-behold, the reason why the Tattoo sets aren't working well for you Pufflehuff, is that there is a Diffuse Overlay Color material set up for his skin surfaces.  The LIE Tattoos have been set up (I'm assuming the other set you mentioned as well, since I don't have that one) to affect the Diffuse and Translucency Material surface tabs, but not built to add anything to the Diffuse Overlay Color slot when in use.

    A simple way to get around this (since it isn't an error due to the skin, the tattoos or the user!), is to hover over your Base Color Slot image- this will have a pop up window (temporary, and it will disappear when you move your mouse pointer away from that slot) that will show what the temporary file name is that the LIE script made when you applied the tattoo to the skin. 

    Since half the time I can't remember crap after seeing it- I write that l ittle name down.  Usually it's d2, or dsomething.  Click on the Diffuse Overlay Color slot image to open up the menu again...and d68 is not a map listed in the texture files used in the scene.  Huh?

    Ok.  So then I go back to the Base Color slot, click on the little image to bring up the texture file list and lo-and-behold, it's named something else entirely!  New to me.  XD

    SO.  Back to the Diffuse Overlay Color slot.  Click on wee image to pop up the texture file listing...Select that blasted file that shows above as the LIE texture map the script made. Check the image is correct by hovering over the wee icons in the Base and Diffuse Overlay and we're good to go.

    Back to Studio's Iray preview render screen.  I change the Draw Style to Iray in the preview window and wait.

    Viola.  Tattoo back in business.

    Hope this helps!

     

     

     

     

  • pufflehuffpufflehuff Posts: 28

    AAAAAAAAaaaaaah!!! THANK YOU! 

    It worked perfectly! I'm so angry the solution was as simple as just selecting a single file. I was in there messing with things I prolly shouldn't have been messing with, lol.

    Big thanks to you, barbult. you helped me troubleshoot then called in the big guns when we couldn't find the problem

    Thank you, DarwinsMishap!! This had me pulling my hair out! xD

     

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,870

    Wow, What a great investigation and solution writeup @DarwinsMishap! yesyes Thank you so much for helping out. 

    @pufflehuff, thanks for marking your thread SOLVED. Now you can move forward and finish your project, and we all learned a new thing to check for when funny things happen with products that use LIE.

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