Genesis 220 Expressions and Head Morph
Bought 2 products: Genesis Evolution: Head Morphs. (I bought the body morphs earlier), and 220 Expressions for Genesis.
I run DAZ4.0. Not planning to update, so it this is the problem, I'll just live with it. Why no update? I can't bear to have to live through installing/ etc. So far everything else works, and I don't want to rock the boat.
I carefully read the products' descriptions, and both of them just say "Genesis", so my assumption was for Genesis 1 which came with the software. One says DAZ Studio, as well as DAZ 4.6. Since Genesis is of the 4.x versions, I assumed it would work. The expressions refer to the .dsf format, which does run under 4.0 (while .duf does not). So I always look for .dsf or poser extensions to work with what I have.
The Evolution morphs package I bought earlier works. But neither the Head Morphs nor the Expressions work. The are in the same library as the Evolution body morphs, and the V4/M4 and V3 and M3 shapers which also work. They show up in the Parameters menu, and the dials show percentages as I slide them, but Genesis face refuses to budge.
Is there something I can do to make the sliders take effect on the Genesis face?
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I put off updating to 4.6 'til just recently 'cause I "hate" that flash screen ... but from 4.0 to 4.6 WOW! Upgrading was not a problem. I turned off the CSM and then ran the 4.6 installer as "admin".
There is a hack to make many morphs show up/work in 4.0 but honestly, it was a lot less work to just install 4.6.
If/when you update it, also update the various plugins such as Dynamic Clothing Control.
@Patience55
I'm hoping it's my ignorance that is causing the problem, and that I don't have to upgrade anytime soon.
The new files are wanting to work on Genesis .duf file.
4.0 has a Genesis .dsf file.
The new files [sadly] are not backwards compatible BUT the new programs will read the older files. [so one doesn't have to update absolutely everything ... just the Genesis Starter files and with 4.6 there's also the Genesis 2 starter file [both included in "purchase"].
You can contact CS and put in a request for store credit, deleting the product off your computer if you can't find a way to get it to work.
I guess this an area where my ignorance shows. I can see the file extensions for both the Expressions and the Head morphs. They are both with their morph items using the dsf.
For example, I can load the 1950s Car Hop as .dsf files, but not .duf. I get that. I don't understand why the .dsf morphs and expressions of these two purchased items do not work. One specifically said Poser, DAZ4.6 and DAZ Studio compatible.
Maybe I have them in the wrong folder, I don't usually install to the base folder. I have a different one, but they didnt' work there either.
Maybe Patience55 you are right. But maybe, fingers crossed someone else may recognize this problem and have a nifty trick.
There's an old expression, "If ya can't lick'em, join 'em".
Well, oddly enough, going down the list of morphs that I loaded from these two new to me programs, the tongue curl works! So there is some communication. The tongue does all the morphs, but the sticking out doesn't go past the bottom lip. I don't care, since that is not a morph I foresee using much. But it means some thing in my Genesis model is modified through this program. I can't remember which one is tongue curl. Anyhoo, because of that, I am still baffled but I'm sticking with my current version at this point.
Perhaps I must hold down a Control Key? An Alt Key? Both? Shift=Alt? I dunno. There is no esplanation on how to use that I've found.
Even the .dsf files between 4.0 and 4.5 and probably 4.6 are different.
A .dsf file created in 4.5 or 4.6 will not work "as is" in 4.0.
Some of the files allegedly 4.5 I've discovered are "partially" changed over. Have no idea how they managed that one.
@Patience55
ah, so that's it. Well that's unfortunate. I'd never guess that the file format would have the same name and yet be unreadable. Weird. That will affect my decision on other purchases, if the .dsf format is not really the same. Eventually--when I move exe and intall files to a moveable hard drive, and re-backup everything on our in house back up-I use daily cloud backups, then, maybe I'll try to install the newer version. I do not want to overwrite DAZ3 or 4 so I can open my older stuff.
I really appreciate your efforts to delve into this and find out what the problem was. Thank You!
@Patience55
ah, so that's it. Well that's unfortunate. I'd never guess that the file format would have the same name and yet be unreadable. Weird. That will affect my decision on other purchases, if the .dsf format is not really the same. Eventually--when I move exe and intall files to a moveable hard drive, and re-backup everything on our in house back up-I use daily cloud backups, then, maybe I'll try to install the newer version. I do not want to overwrite DAZ3 or 4 so I can open my older stuff.
I really appreciate your efforts to delve into this and find out what the problem was. Thank You!
It's affected my purchasing habits here too. My copy of some shapes you have working in 4.0 would not work in mine. So I hacked them and got them working. Then I upgraded anyways lol ... however I have no intention of repeating all this work everytime a new edition comes out.
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installing 4 does not overwrite 3.
Did confuse 3 though but still I have 3 working on my computer with 4.6 as well.
Backwards compatibility is Built into DAZ Studio. Forward compatibility for the new file versions are not. That is when the LEGACY version of files should be used if they are offered for the product. If not, all content comes with a 100% money back guaranty if a refund is asked for within 30 days of purchase.
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Ok, double checked. No Legacy download file available for either product.
The information page for Genesis Evolution: Head Morphs, which is the one I purchased, said this:
Compatible 3D Figures
Genesis
Compatible 3D Software
DSON Importer for Poser, DAZ Studio 4.6, DAZ Studio
And, the body morphs do work. It was my error I guess to assume they were similar products because of the titling, this morphs product would work.
I really wanted to change the face of Genesis 1 in 4.0 for my project. I can wrassle out expressions, I was being lazy, because some of those 220 expressions had nice subtleties. But the default features of Genesis do not suit my project.
I am aware that older programs can't run new programs, that's a given. I just did not realize this product was too new because of the information page, and the dsf file format. That there are 2 or more different file formats called .dsf makes my brain creak. I have all kinds of MS Excel worksheets with all different file extentions that still work, although the new program asks if I want to save in the new format. I realize an Excel program writtin in 1990 won't open the new millennium version, but I do expect vice versa.
Also, aware that there is a 30 day return policy. I am not sure what I want to do yet. I still hope someone will post up a neat surprise and say, the morph will work if I double click and use Alt Key, or some Easter Egg thing like that. I want to change Genesis 1's features, I do not want to spend 10 hours revamping my computer to change Genesis's features. I'll go to my good Vickie 4.2 with Morphs++. I just liked being able to drop male clothing on Genesis so she had some sensible gear.
Well as I mentioned in my first post here, there is possibly a hack that would make them work.
If you're interested, that is the "only" way I've found to make newer files work in 4.0 esp if one doesn't have both programs.
re-up link for converting poses.
re-up link for "morphing backwards". See about page 16 for the hack which doesn't require D/S4.5 to use.
Yeah, I'd asked about that before too because it used to mean Daz Studio ... now apparently it means any version AFTER whatever is listed atm [in this case 4.6]. The {....} thing is that "tomorrow" when "x" is released ALL the products will then be reflecting that they "must have" "x" version. And, as is the case with so many products now, the files originally were made for an older program and are no longer being created, yes, they are being phased out - and going by our products available, some are indeed "gone". When I purchased the MFD for Genesis, it had legacy files. Now my download is only for .duf files. As other products are updated, some do and some don't keep the legacy files.