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These are Shaders - so you'll need to select the hair in the Scene Tab and the hair in the in the Surfaces Tab as well. Then it's pretty straightforward - just apply the base color. If you want an overlay color on top of that choose a "Masks" type from that folder and an overlay color from the "Overlay Colors" folder.
Make sure headlamp is off when rendering - it doesn't play well with headlamp. Other than that I love these hair shaders! They're great! :) I use these and Chevybabe's "Backlight" hair shaders a lot. :)
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You should be able to select all the hair in just one click. Just open the surfaces tab and click on the name of the hair -that should select all the surfaces:
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I'm not sure I understand. What didn't work?
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Did you apply the mask before you applied the second layer. It should go base color, mask, top color. Some masks will show a lot more than others and they don't always show that well in the preview screen, so you may need to do a quick test render or run it in Iray preview mode
Are you applying a Mask first before applying the overlay color? If you want an overlay color you have to:
1. Apply Base Color
2. Apply a Mask from the "Masks" layer
3. Apply a color from the "Overlay Colors" folder
I'm pretty sure those are the steps. I can't check right now but as soon as I can I'll double check to make sure those are the steps. :)
By the way, what hair are you trying to work with here? If I have the hair you're using I'll take a look to see if there is something different that might be interfering with the way the shaders are applying.
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Here are the steps:
1. Go to the Scene Tab and select the hair.
2. Go to the Surfaces Tab and select the hair there too.
3. Go to the product in your library (Shader Presets >> SloshWerks >> ColorWerks).
4. Go to the "Base Colors" folder and select a base color.
5. Go to the "Masks" folder and select a Mask.
6. Go to the "Overlay Colors" and select an overlay color.
I did a quick render with an orange on blue color scheme like you mentioned earlier (I don't have the Apple Hair but this is another hair by the same PA).
I used:
Base Colors >> Fantasy Colors >> Blue 018
Masks >> Blend Masks 18
Overlay Colors >> Fantasy Colors >> Orange 018
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I agree. There are a few PAs that write nice detailed instructions, like V3Digitimes, but not very many PAs do that anymore.
Success for sure! That's cute - the makeup and outfit match the hair's color scheme quite well! :D
And yeah, a short tutorial would probably be helpful - I'm guilty of forgetting to add things like that to my products too. lol It's something I'm working on trying to remember. :)
You're welcome! I'm very glad it was helpful! :)
I don't think there is anything special that has to be done to adjust the shine and tiling, if I remember correctly. But I haven't messed with the shines or tiling presets much yet.
It is a difficult thing in writing user's guides. You need to assume one has a functional knowledge of Daz Studio or every product guide turns into a how to use the software guide. In most cases this is outside of the scope of the product. Then you get the fact that you are selling to new users and advanced users. You have to put the tone of the guide just right that it doesn't go over the new user's heads, but also doesn't talk down to experienced users. Appling shader presets to an item falls in that category. If you have never done it, it seems like voodoo magic. Do it twice and it is old hat. There is a fine line.
Man I love a PA who includes a solid guide. All the hugs to those who do. Love, love Colorwerks, used it on my last render, but masks no clue. ;p
Good point on how challanging it is to write a guide. Definitely not easy and you're not going to please everyone. Still, I don't think a guide necessarily has to be extensive and detailed, just enough to net the user a result. Like turning the street lights on at night; you don't have to explain why we're going where we're going, just point the way and I'll get there. Diva's steps above are a good example. I think there are positives for PAs as well, as you reduce customer queries, increase the chance the customer understands and enjoys your product. That said, I get a PA has to consider time/cost to produce a guide. Personally I don't expect guides but I appreciate them.
Now, Sloshwerks didn't provide a guide, but did generously give a tiny hair monster. If I had to choose between guide and hair monster I choose the latter.
Yeah, the fact that not only do you have to select the item in the scene tab but have to also select it in shader tab makes shaders something most new user have trouble with. It should be a pop up in daz when you use shaders.
Looking at the images in the masks and utilities folders I think I understand it. The masks controls the coarseness/fineness of the overlay colours, and the move down arrows provides control as to when the overlay colour appears along the length of the hair strand from the root. Hope that's right.
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Funny, because Sloshwerks previous hair shader product (UHT2 Ultimate Color) came with a very complete pdf user guide - it's accessible from the online ReadMe too. I wonder if he got some negative comments? Or perhaps thought most buyers of Colorwerks had bought UHT2 so had a good general idea of what to do?
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To be honest, I've only dabbled for a matter of minutes with Colorwerks so far. I was a bit floored with what to do with the scalp - it's more obvious how to handle it in UHT2. And UHT2 does colour mixing via a script (which pops up a window) - Colorwerks is (as far as I understand it) using a totally different method with more advance Iray shader settings to get colour mixes. I think following Divamakeup's simple step-by-step instructions will help you more.
Oh and I knew I'd seen a long thread about Colorwerks so I Googled it - try this: https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/267416/colorwerks/p1
There are some posts by Slosh about how to do certain things, which we both should probably read!
New users have trouble with everything, it's part of the "new".
What should be a pop up, the Scene Tab? What if I already have an object selected? Now my workflow has an unnecessary step. Also, what pop up? I have the Scene tab docked. I don't want the focus to go to the Scene tab if I already have an object selected, nor do I want the Scene tab to become undocked. Perhaps Users should just try to understand the software, and recognize that learning is a process. No complex software is ever going to be trivial to operate.
You don't want the Shader Tab to pop up every time, because you're not always changing shaders when you work with an item in a scene. Not to mention, which Shader should be shown?
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If my own experience is an indicator, no one read it and just asked on the forums/PMs stuff that was answered in the instructions :D Unless there's some particularly detailed/cumbersome, most folks opt for help tips in the file structure itself so it's context sensitive so to speak. More complex scripts and plugins require documentation for certain. More complex props like Eagle99's The Bass Guitar and Poses for Genesis 3 and 8 as well (the strap was very complex to set up and takes some love but yields fantastic results).
Sorry it has taken me so long to reply to this thread. I've been very busy making new stuff and also have been under the weather. A bit grumpy, to be honest, and I find it best not to write in the forums when I am grumpy :)
UHT2 has a pdf guide as well as a series of how-to videos on youtube. I put a lot into the documentation on that. And, if I'm being honest, it did not occur to me to do the same for ColorWerks, since it doesn't use that fancy script. I worked on ColorWerks for about 3 or 4 months, and by the time I was ready to submit it, I didn't even want to look at it again, lol.
You can use the same principles from UHT2, as far as the shine and tiling settings go... the color layering is different in that it used diffuse overlay. Some colors will simply not overlay over others as well. As far as "how" to do it:
1. Select the hair object in the scene tab
2. Select the hair surfaces you want to apply ColorWerks to in the Surfaces Tab (you can select more than one by holding Ctrl as you click each one).
3. Apply a Base Color from the ColorWerks (CW) base color folder. At this stage, you are done with a basic color.
4. To blend another color over the hair, you apply an Overlay Color from the appropriate folder, as well as a Mask from the Mask folder. It does not matter what order you do this in. You will likely not see the effect very well until you test render or use the Nvidia preview mode in your viewport.
5. To use the scalp color feature, choose the scalp in your Surfaces Tab. Apply any base color from The Base Color folder.
6. With the scalp still selected, go to the Utilites folder and double click the Scalp Color preset. It will not look any different in the viewport, but when rendered it will have colored the scalp the desired color.
I hope this helps answer some of the questions. I apologize for not taking the time to write a pdf guide. I am guilty of forgetting that everyone does not use Studio as much as I do.
Brian...
Thanks for taing the time to post here - I've screen captured it as a handy "User Guide"
It's a great product (well, all three are - I have both UHT's)
(I hope your grump is feeling better too)