Looking for Customer Input - Pose Sets
FeralFey
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Hey All!
Periodically I like to come in here and look for ideas or feedback for my products. Today, I'd like to see what people are looking for in pose sets. Not necessarily the content they'd like to see, but rather, I'm trying to determine if people would like to see poses that cover a range of shapes (for Genesis or G2F) in a set, or if they're fine with the poses being for the base shapes only. Would you find it more convenient in a set to have base poses with additional tweaks for certain shapes? Which shapes would you like to see supported - the usual flagship Vickies and Michaels, or is there interest in more of the other shapes (David, Stephanie, Freak, Aiko, etc.)? Or are you content just to go with the base pose and adjust the poses manually for your characters?
I'm really trying to get a feel for what people would like to see in poses in terms of support from my end. I can only improve my products if I get your input, so please take a moment and respond to this thread with your thoughts on this matter.
I appreciate your cooperation. :)
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I've always leaned toward the base figure poses. In the case of Genesis 1, it led to a lot of freedom, regardless of which morph was going to be prevalent. It was a simple matter of adjusting the pose to the morph (i.e., if it was a female character, to make the pose slightly softer). This is especially true with everyday poses (just standing there, sitting, kneeling, etc.). Having said that, I do also find convenience when the pose is specifically created with a certain morph in mind (as in the case with V5), but generally, I prefer the base ones, as I only defer to the specific poses when in a rush.
Thanks for being open to customer input! :coolsmile:
Thank you BorgyB for your response. I've always been open to customer input. I just haven't been in the forums lately to "poll the masses", as it were. But I do like to hear back and find out what people are looking for in pose sets so that I can create better products.
I think overall I am very pleased with base shape poses, unless the intention of the poses demands specific shapes (or different scale) - like adult plus child poses. Thinking about it, couple or group poses are probably the only real problem I can see for my purpose. With slight adjustments I am willing to deal.
I got one story character who got a small shape on A5 base currently and usually it is not a problem to deal with any default Genesis, V5, or whatever pose. I am intending to move to G2F almost completely with my characters (GenX update would help to do that sooner rather than later ;) ), but even then the Genesis poses actually work decently after fixing the hands (where Slosh's fix comes in handy). Expression wise I will stock up on pure G2F expressions certainly, as G2F expressions work slightly different than Genesis and allow for larger improvements.
I'm not to bothered if the poses are based on the Genesis base but what I really need are more Male poses, I have a set of poses (not by you) that seem to be based of the basic Genesis but are very female the tilt of the hips etc, I bought them because I thought they would be very useful for both male and female but they don't really suit the males.
Hey Fey.
I think, and im only guessing now that most users use some kind of extra morphs, or just use 1000 different slider settings. So dont waste time on tweaks for extra shapes.
I have never ever had a pose match 100% on any character. So having to do that last fine tuning is ok, like moving hands closer to body etc. Or like in most cases, move an arm out from inside a body :)
What i think is missing is those multi pose sets. Like 10 or so different poses for each body part that you can mix and match however you wish.
There are others like that for v4, with many more than just 10 for each body part. And for me those pose sets makes life so much easier. Even if you have to fine tune the last bits yourself.
Oh and poses that moves the character or changes the body morphs/sliders should get banned :P
Would love to see these for Genesis 1+2.
Edit:
Also, normal poses. Not pornstar/model like 99% out on the market.
I'd like to see more poses for The Daz Cow.
And even Noggins Cow.
Heck - Anything but more poses for humans. There are lots of critters that could benefit from pose sets, morphs, skankwear, smart props, hair, and skankwear.
Yeah, that's the problem with most pose sets, they don't take into account that the male and the female forms carry themselves differently in real life. I, on the other hand, make a concerted effort to do that. Case in point, my Waiting in Line and Waiting in Line Too sets. One is clearly female and the other is male. I do that for my sword pose sets as well, because women have a lower center of gravity than men do and would carry a sword much differently than a guy.
Where I know my catalog is lacking is needing more male model/portrait/pin up poses. I've had a lot of requests by other vendors for such a set, but I'm not sure how open the general public would be for such a set. But perhaps if there was a screaming need and customers told me *cough, cough* I would not be opposed to putting one together. ;)
...Funny that you should bring this up... ;)
Actually I would like a set of male pinups.
I love your gentlemen adventure poses (but hey, you knew that already, tell me something new).
One thing I lack (and I suck in posing even if Blondie's pose 101 gave me some "duh, why didnt I think of that" moments, I still suck on posing, (och damn sidetracked again, must be that Gin & Tonic..) *rewind*
Waht I lack is Genesis carrying things like boxes, bags, crates, logs, books, furniture, (pianos or safes for F5 ;-)). Two men carrying a plank or a ladder etc. I often use Wating in line for my background people but I love having a delivery guy carrying a box (and thats really hard to pose.
So maybe have poses carrying 2' x 2' x 1' box. carrying 2'x 1' x 5' package as you balace things differenyly when you carry things, heavy box (light box, heavy suitcase, light briefcase...
You got it ;-)
I totally agree with you. I don't normally do them myself. And in fact, the Classic Pin Up pose sets I did for the PC and the Playful Flirt poses were a series of experiments to test the market. The Playful Flirt, in particular was designed to test multiple shapes support in a single product, which is what I'm interested in gathering information on at the moment.
But normally, I prefer to make action poses ranging from the mundane activities to the martial arts. Those are more fun for me. :D
Pose sets wanted:
Genesis
eating, holding utensils, holding tools, fear poses, happy poses, expression sets, couples poses (not neccessarily romantic), group poses,buddy/friendship poses , holding a meeting, doctors/medical/nurse poses sets, poses sets, consoling a friend, grief poses, poses for horse 2's reigns and saddle (desperately needed because they just don't work) cowboy poses, protective poses, under attack poses, poses for elders and kids.
Gen 2 female
Kids poses for the gen 2 female kid.
Normal female poses without the hip tilt and boob thrust thing that happens in many poses
Do not need more gen 2 female pinup stuff.
Actual combat poses not fantasy combat poses. Army poses, (salute) etc. Please not sexy ones.
This is actually a really good idea, Totte. But then again, you've always been very good at giving me things to think about when making my poses. I always appreciate your input. ;) And since I also love to do props with pose sets, this would be right up my alley. We'll see what I can whip together. I'll put it on my build list.
I always love your sword pose sets, would love more of those for Genesis1.
Lol! I'm so glad to hear you say this. The fantasy combat poses, the sexy ones, just make my head explode. I mean, they're good for what they're meant to do, but they are not realistic, let alone historical - both of which is what I strive for when I do my weapon fighting poses. I haven't yet done a modern military pose set (or if you will a futuristic sci-fi military pose set - minus the sexy bimbo with a bazooka poses. lol.) That is something I would certain consider building. :)
As soon as I perfect my rapier sword model, I have plans to re-do Sword Play - Rapier Poses for M4 and Rapier Thrusts Wards and Disarms for both Genesis 1 and 2. ;)
Sci-fi/space opera renders are my favorite type to do. I'm always looking for non-sexy poses to use for characters. It is tough to find poses where they don't look like extras of gun and girl- that is t not the look I'm striving for.
Lol! I'm so glad to hear you say this. The fantasy combat poses, the sexy ones, just make my head explode. I mean, they're good for what they're meant to do, but they are not realistic, let alone historical - both of which is what I strive for when I do my weapon fighting poses. I haven't yet done a modern military pose set (or if you will a futuristic sci-fi military pose set - minus the sexy bimbo with a bazooka poses. lol.) That is something I would certain consider building. :)
Everyday soldier poses, that's my cup of tea, not Rambo rushing with his M-60 MG but GI Joe standing guard, patrolling, scouting, checking his smokes, taking a rest (but we seriously lack any usable WWII uniforms for Genesis, War dog is great for a modern warrior.
Seconded. I think it is the gentleman adventurer pose set which has the character's back against the wall peering aroud the corner holding the firerm? That is something that you can use for a more real render..
I like conservative poses like that, because they can be used for a variety of combat situations.
I also should mention I absolutely love RESCUE pose sets. I would love ones where a character is running with an infant, pulling someone out of a pit, helping someone to safety, tending a wounded comrade, helping someone up, having one character lean on another etc, shoving someone out of the way of danger. Fireman's carry, using cruches etc.
I am scribbling lots of notes. These are all great ideas that should keep me busy for a while. ;)
But back to my initial question: base shape only support, or base shape plus add-on shape support for my future pose sets?
I prefer base shape. I don't tend to use freak/david/stephanie as much as v5 and m5.
I'd rather adjust to the lesser used figures than adjust a pose for a figure I use more often if you get what I mean.
I would personally say that making the pose for hte base shape is simply better, because most people tend to dial the moprhs. And it's fairly easy to tweak a pose where it's needed.. not always, but most of the time :)
So, would you find it more or less of a value if a pose set had, say 20 military poses for the base Genesis shape, and also included those 20 poses tailored to M5, M4, D3, F5, or any other combination of other shapes? As we all know, poses don't always translate so well across the different shapes. M5's shoulders are broader than Genesis Basic Male, and D3's arms are longer and his shoulders (as I recall) are thinner, while the Freak line of shapes are...well, freakishly large. Lol. I'm just wondering if people would see the value added in a set that included a variety of shapes along with the base, and would be willing to buy said set over a pose set that was just the base Genesis only - assuming that the multi-shape supported set was reasonably priced?
I tend not to care about supporting multiple shapes -- a lot of the characters in my novel are female, but they're 6-foot, 250-pound women, so none of the base shapes are really going to fit. So while it's nice to have multi-purpose poses that work for both males and females, whether that will make them work better in my case is unclear.
Of course, for most people, if the same pose supports both V5 and M5, it will be useful for a wide range of uses.
What shape are you using, fixmypcmike? You have me very curious. :D I'm suspecting a custom shape, yes?
...Funny that you should bring this up... ;)
Moo?
I usually start with V5 or V4 and add some heavy, stocky, bodybuilder, and then refine specific areas from there.
I personally can do tweaking on poses, so tweaks would not necessary be the deciding factor for me. If they are there, fantastic, but for me it is your poses themselves I really like. If the tweaks were included, I'd be willing to pay a bit extra for the set if it remained reasonable.
I LOVE the sword poses and the Ex Libris poses, I am using both of those a lot. I do think poses with individual bits for arms, legs, etc. are very useful, since you can tailor things a bit more. And I VERY much appreciate that you make poses tailored specifically to male and female since as you said, they do carry themselves differently. :-)
I am doing a lot of fantasy setting things, and I would love to see something like "everyday action" poses for that. Maybe things like shopping at a market, carrying things, people performing different jobs (blacksmith, tailor, stable boy, beggar, merchants, town crier?) for village type settings? Maybe things of people waking down a street in pairs or groups having conversations? Or maybe adventurers in camp poses? Gathering wood, building a fire, setting up a tent, going through a pack, sitting on a rock feeling tired? Bandaging wounds or repairing clothing even? I know a lot of those are prop-dependent, so I'm not sure how helpful that is.
Thanks, hawkonthewing, for your kind support. :) I think you'll be pleased with other PC pose sets that are in the line up. (Sorry, NDA prevents me from saying anything more.)
I do, however, absolutely enjoy making poses that go with props. To me, I think it's important to put the two together, especially if you're trying to achieve a certain amount of realism in one's renders. Case in point is my PA sale item. It's got a prop and some poses. I'm not talking about the mermaid pose sets with the trident (although that was a lot of fun to do.) I've got something else lined up that will make some of you happy. But you'll have to wait until my day to see what it is. ;) Wish I could do a teaser thread, but we're discouraged from doing that during the annual PA sale, out of courtesy to the other PAs.
If there were enough hours in the day, I would probably put out pose sets for all of the prop sets in the store, because, as I've said, I think it's really important to have a working relationship between props and poses. But a gal's gotta sleep sometime, right?