Is it worth to upgrade your RAM?
LenioTG
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My current setup, with a Ryzen 5 1600 CPU, ha 2x4Gb 2400Mhz G.Skill C17 RAM.
Would it be worth it to upgrade to 2x8Gb 3000Mhz Corsair C15 RAM?
Which aspects of my rendering experience would get better? And by how much?
Sometimes I have to use my CPU, because of my too little 3GB VRAM, so I guess the render time would get better.
Would it be the same for the loading time? And for the movement inside the scene before the render?
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Upgrading the ram will help in the overall running of the computer, not just Studio. To get more from Studio to use less CPU then you will need to upgrade the graphics to a Nvidia card with more vram on it.
Here are some options for ram upgrades for your board.
https://uk.crucial.com/gbr/en/compatible-upgrade-for/MSI(MicroStar)/b350m-pro-vdh
Short answer, maybe.
Long answer, there are a lot of factors that come into play that could affect this. What version of Windows are you running? What stuff do you have running in the background? Etc.
Overall Ryzen is very sensitive to RAM speed so the bump to that should make a difference, assuming you know how to enable it. The extra a!punt should also as 8 Gb is really a bare minimum for pretty much anything these days but it is possible you could upgrade and not see a noticeable difference.
Yes, although you are likely to not need more than 32GB. My computer CPU renders and used to crash DAZ all the time with Out of Memory errors when I had 8GB RAM. I upgraded to 16GB RAM and very rarely have out of memory problems now so 32GB would probably solve that problem for me completely.
Are you using 32 or 64 bit Windows? Which version of Windows: 7, 8 10 or...?
If 32, you're not using all the RAM you have now; so an upgrade is pointless. Depending on version of Windows and if it's Home, Pro or whatever, that can also limit the RAM you can use.
But presuming W10 64bit, then upgrading is likely to make the computer a bit snappier and also easier to work with - especially when rendering. If you use the CPU a lot, you would also benefit from setting afinity on the CPU threads so Studio doesn't hog them all.
More RAM and a better graphics card (Nvidia for IRAY, which I presume is what you use) would definitely improve your rendering experience.
There is a money problem about that ^^
I can spend 130€ to get better RAM, but it makes no sense to spend 400€ on a new GPU when the new ones are going out in some months, with an overall improvement of the price/performance ratio!
I think the Corsair Vengeance Lpx C15 3000Mhz are compatible with my mobo!
32Gb costs too much to me. I have 4 slots on my mobo, so I could still buy two more ramsticks in the future.
64bit W10 Pro if I remember correctly. Does anyone use 32bit systems these days? I first knew this when I used ubuntu, in something like 2007.
Again, a new GPU would cost too much, and this is a bad time to buy one.
Yes, this is why I asked in the first place: they always say 2400Mhz is too low for a Ryzen CPU! I know 8Gb is not a lot, but that's what I could afford back then, when I had to buy all the hardware at once.
And what do you guys think about SSDs? Their price is going down a lot, and I was thinking about buying one to put Daz Studio content. I'm currently using an HDD both for Daz Library and to store the renders, do you think I'll have a noticeable improvement in loading and render times?
You should check the specs on your motherboard before changing your ram chips. You are moving to a different speed rating of ram (2400 to 3000). Seeing that you're using a Ryzen, your MB would probably would be new enough, but double check before you buy!
Understanding that this is strictly my opinion, the biggest benefit from your proposed upgrade will be from doubling your amount of RAM. That will enable you to store more data in memory for faster access by your CPU, with less swapping. As for the increased performance offered by the new RAM itself, in terms of frequency and CAS latency, those benefits are not likely to be even noticed in realworld use outside of benchmarking software. So, if you can get the faster RAM for the same price as somewhat slower RAM, go for it - it certainly won't hurt - just don't expect miracles. If, however, you are spending a premium for the increase in frequency and lowered CAS latency as opposed to purchasing 2 modules of the slower GSkill RAM of the same capacity (2 x 8), then I might be inclined to consider trying to match two of the larger-capacity modules with your existing ram if possible, giving you 2 x 4 + 2 x 8 = 24 Gb of memory. Preferably the specs of the new and old modules would be identical aside from capacity to ensure that they play nice together.
BTW, davidwski's advice is sound, except that the critical factor is the CPU, not the motherboard. The memory controller is incorporated into the CPU nowadays and so you need to be cognisant of the CPU's memory requirements. If you go with the 3000 RAM, you may need to adjust your memory settings manually in the BIOS to get it to run properly.
The two above comments are years behind the times and show a complete lack of awareness of Ryzen's specific memory requirements. Never mix memory sticks of different sizes and in the case of Ryzen do, within reason, get faster RAM.
Yes, I have to agree!
As said before, you're not considering that I have a Ryzen CPU! The performance jump in general between 2400 and 3000 should be huge. Without considering that those ramsticks have much higher quality, so I could even overclock them to something like 3400Mhz.
As said before, it's not a good idea to mix different type of ramsticks. Tweaking the BIOS is not a problem! :)
A thing you should always consider, is the POST time (the first part of the boot): never buy MSI boards for AMD guys, the POST time is too long: it takes me 14 whole seconds (vs 6s of other brands), while my OS loads in just 2s. Adding 2 more ramsticks would increase that POST time by 1/2 seconds...I want to avoid that!
I don't think that will be a problem, and I'm gonna change my mobo sooner or later, so I don't want to be limited by that, even if I won't be able to fully utilize those new ramsticks power right away.