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DAZ is running CRAZY Slow Right Now - Freezing up a LOT

JasonSWrenchJasonSWrench Posts: 380
in Technical Help (nuts n bolts)

So, since the last major update, I've run into a HUGE problem with DAZ. It is taking figures FOREVER to load.

From when I asked DAZ to open G8M, it took 3:02.

I then decided to apply the Owen figure to G8M (just the regular one, not the HD one). Now, it would be FASTER to load Owen as a new figure, but I wanted to apply it because I know this is where things have gotten really long. If I do anything during this time period while it's loading, DAZ will crash.

The load time from when I told DAZ to apply Owen to G8M was 11:24.

Here are my computer specs:

Operating System

Windows 10 Home 64-bit

CPU

AMD Ryzen 61 °C

Threadripper 14nm Technology

RAM

64.0GB Dual-Channel Unknown @ 1197MHz (16-16-16-39)

Motherboard

Gigabyte Technology Co. Ltd. X399 AORUS Gaming 7 (SP3r2) 30 °C

Graphics

ASUS VS247 (1920x1080@60Hz)

4095MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 (EVGA) 33 °C

Storage

223GB Western Digital WDC WDS240G2G0A-00JH30 (SSD) 36 °C

1863GB TOSHIBA DT01ACA200 (SATA) 35 °C

1863GB Samsung SSD 860 EVO 2TB (SSD) 32 °C

5589GB Western Digital WDC WD60EFRX-68MYMN1 (SATA) 33 °C

Optical Drives

No optical disk drives detected

Audio

Realtek High Definition Audio

So, I really don't know why it's taking so long now. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. 

Jason

Comments

  • felisfelis Posts: 4,678

    When you say "last major upgrade", then what upgrade are you referring to?

    I cannot see anything that should cause such long loading times. Have you tried looking in task manager to see if there are any ressource constrains or just basically what the computer is doing, i.e. which parts are busy working?

    Or regarding Daz Studio, have you tried using the beta 4.11 to see if that is similar slow?

  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805

    Not sure what software you're using to report your hardware specs but it's reporting your 1080 as having 4 Gb of  VRAM instead of 8. Either the software is at fault or the card has failed. You need to check into which it is.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,759

    What security software are you using?

  • JasonSWrenchJasonSWrench Posts: 380

    Richard:

    Norton Security.

    Jason

  • JasonSWrenchJasonSWrench Posts: 380
    edited January 2019
    kenshaw011267 said:

    Not sure what software you're using to report your hardware specs but it's reporting your 1080 as having 4 Gb of  VRAM instead of 8. Either the software is at fault or the card has failed. You need to check into which it is.

    Was Using Speccy. And it should be 8. Hmmm... It shows 8GB under dedicated memory in Task Manager, so not sure.

    J

    Post edited by JasonSWrench on
  • RS-SRS-S Posts: 72

    Having similar problems. Just upgraded my video card to Nvidia geforce rtx 2070 from a 1080 and can't seem to render anything. I reloaded a scene I had done previously, same lights, figure, resolution, etc. that took 12 minuteswith the 1080 and found it could not render now with the 2070. I have been told that it might be a Microsoft update messing with Daz but what do I know? I did this screenshot if it helps at all.

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  • SpottedKittySpottedKitty Posts: 7,232
    edited January 2019
    RS-S said:

    Having similar problems. Just upgraded my video card to Nvidia geforce rtx 2070 from a 1080 and can't seem to render anything.

    You're using the current D|S release version 4.10 — the new 20-series cards only work with Iray in version 4.11 which is still in beta testing. You might also need to make sure that your graphics card driver is up to date from the NVidia website.

    Post edited by SpottedKitty on
  • LenioTGLenioTG Posts: 2,118
    edited January 2019

    I've not checked the exact amount of time, but it takes several minutes to me too when I open a scene! The more the morphs I used, the more time it takes.

     

    I had a lot of freezes some days ago (on 4.11 beta). I was desperate, I've tried everything...then I just understood that the cause of the problem was a tattoo!

    Instead of using the "Smart Content" tab for tattoos, I keep them all together in another folder, and something happened. Everything worked fine for the other tattoos, but for that one it was loaded a big eye texture on the figure's arms, and Daz was unusable. After I loaded the previous scene, everything was cool again :D

    Post edited by LenioTG on
  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805
    JasonSWrench said:
    kenshaw011267 said:

    Not sure what software you're using to report your hardware specs but it's reporting your 1080 as having 4 Gb of  VRAM instead of 8. Either the software is at fault or the card has failed. You need to check into which it is.

    Was Using Speccy. And it should be 8. Hmmm... It shows 8GB under dedicated memory in Task Manager, so not sure.

    J

    This seems to be a long running issue with speccy. So likely not the source of your problem.

  • RS-SRS-S Posts: 72
    SpottedKitty said:
    RS-S said:

    Having similar problems. Just upgraded my video card to Nvidia geforce rtx 2070 from a 1080 and can't seem to render anything.

    You're using the current D|S release version 4.10 — the new 20-series cards only work with Iray in version 4.11 which is still in beta testing. You might also need to make sure that your graphics card driver is up to date from the NVidia website.

    Thank you very much for the reply. The card was installed yesterday and the drivers are brand new/latest everything. And thank you for the 4.11 tip. Where do I download it?

  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805
    RS-S said:
    SpottedKitty said:
    RS-S said:

    Having similar problems. Just upgraded my video card to Nvidia geforce rtx 2070 from a 1080 and can't seem to render anything.

    You're using the current D|S release version 4.10 — the new 20-series cards only work with Iray in version 4.11 which is still in beta testing. You might also need to make sure that your graphics card driver is up to date from the NVidia website.

    Thank you very much for the reply. The card was installed yesterday and the drivers are brand new/latest everything. And thank you for the 4.11 tip. Where do I download it?

    Open the shop and sort for lowest price. The 4.11 beta is free. Follow the directions on the product description.

  • SpottedKittySpottedKitty Posts: 7,232

    Note, though, that the beta can only be installed using DIM — it can't be done using Connect or a manual install.

    Also, if you have any bought plugins in addition to the ones that come with the D|S program installer, you'll have to uninstall then reinstall the plugins. The release and beta programs are set up in different locations, and if you haven't installed a beta before, then it won't have some of the plugin files in the program folder. The reinstall fixes this by placing the plugin files in both program folders.

  • RS-SRS-S Posts: 72
    SpottedKitty said:

    Note, though, that the beta can only be installed using DIM — it can't be done using Connect or a manual install.

    Also, if you have any bought plugins in addition to the ones that come with the D|S program installer, you'll have to uninstall then reinstall the plugins. The release and beta programs are set up in different locations, and if you haven't installed a beta before, then it won't have some of the plugin files in the program folder. The reinstall fixes this by placing the plugin files in both program folders.

     

    kenshaw011267 said:
    RS-S said:
    SpottedKitty said:
    RS-S said:

    Having similar problems. Just upgraded my video card to Nvidia geforce rtx 2070 from a 1080 and can't seem to render anything.

    You're using the current D|S release version 4.10 — the new 20-series cards only work with Iray in version 4.11 which is still in beta testing. You might also need to make sure that your graphics card driver is up to date from the NVidia website.

    Thank you very much for the reply. The card was installed yesterday and the drivers are brand new/latest everything. And thank you for the 4.11 tip. Where do I download it?

    Open the shop and sort for lowest price. The 4.11 beta is free. Follow the directions on the product description.

    Thanks much for the replies. After a number of attempts I got 4.11 installed, (I'm guessing; it still says 4.10Pro) but sadly it hasn't changed any of the results. What had previously been simple, easy renders simply won't execute. SpottedKitty: I am not sure what plugins are, let alone whether I have any. I'm severely challenged when it comes to a lot of the technical aspects of Daz and operating systems, etc. and I don't speak "Tech" so what is easily understood by others is lost on me. Would you be so kind as to give me specific examples of what plugins are, which ones I might have to re-install? I know this is an extraordinary request but I would be ever so grateful for any help.

    Thanks again

  • RS-SRS-S Posts: 72

    Sorry to sort of Bump this, but wanted to offer this update: in frustration I closed out, rebooted and found when I did my Daz shortcut had changed itself to 4.11. I still don't understand why my renders are using 100% CPU and not (apparently) using the graphics card at all. 

  • felisfelis Posts: 4,678
    RS-S said:

    Sorry to sort of Bump this, but wanted to offer this update: in frustration I closed out, rebooted and found when I did my Daz shortcut had changed itself to 4.11. I still don't understand why my renders are using 100% CPU and not (apparently) using the graphics card at all. 

    What does it list under Render Settings > Advanced > Render devices?

  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805
    RS-S said:

    Sorry to sort of Bump this, but wanted to offer this update: in frustration I closed out, rebooted and found when I did my Daz shortcut had changed itself to 4.11. I still don't understand why my renders are using 100% CPU and not (apparently) using the graphics card at all. 

    Once 4.11 is installed you should have both 4.10 and 4.11 installed. You need to run 4.11 and go into the advanced render settings and choose the 2070.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,759
    RS-S said:

    Sorry to sort of Bump this, but wanted to offer this update: in frustration I closed out, rebooted and found when I did my Daz shortcut had changed itself to 4.11. I still don't understand why my renders are using 100% CPU and not (apparently) using the graphics card at all. 

    The beta and the release will have separate short-cuts in the Start menu, and on the desktop if you allowed that.

  • RS-SRS-S Posts: 72

     

    felis said:
    RS-S said:

    Sorry to sort of Bump this, but wanted to offer this update: in frustration I closed out, rebooted and found when I did my Daz shortcut had changed itself to 4.11. I still don't understand why my renders are using 100% CPU and not (apparently) using the graphics card at all. 

    What does it list under Render Settings > Advanced > Render devices?

     

    kenshaw011267 said:
    RS-S said:

    Sorry to sort of Bump this, but wanted to offer this update: in frustration I closed out, rebooted and found when I did my Daz shortcut had changed itself to 4.11. I still don't understand why my renders are using 100% CPU and not (apparently) using the graphics card at all. 

    Once 4.11 is installed you should have both 4.10 and 4.11 installed. You need to run 4.11 and go into the advanced render settings and choose the 2070.

    Thank you all for many responses! I'm attaching a screenshot of my render setting. Daz apparrently defaults to the way things look in the image. Should I disable the CPU? or would that make rendering impossible?

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  • manekiNekomanekiNeko Posts: 1,414
    edited January 2019

    well without going into specs etc since i still have the same old crappy laptop, i've been using 4.11 public beta for a while now, and somehow i have the impression that recently-ish, my new figures or saved scenes take long enough to load that i wondered if/why they took longer than usual, and daz kinda freezes too when i iray render complex scenes - also the impression more than before, where it rather would crash (maybe). i have updated my 4.11 beta when then option was there in DIM, could correspond - or not, no clue. i also update my win10 when the option comes, same as everyone... could be that too.

    nothing concrete or exact, just the vague feeling something might be slower/less efficient. could be just me daring heavier stuff tho...
    ah i don't want any help, just reporting this in case someone was interested. tech discussions usually go way over my head ^^

    EDITED: as i was reading the post above again, i thought i could check on my gcard too - hahaha, nvidia gforce is inactive, and I'M RENDERING. :(

    Post edited by manekiNeko on
  • SpottedKittySpottedKitty Posts: 7,232

    Plugins are usually anything you've bought that adds functions to the D|S program as opposed to content that you add to your library. E.g. the old Optitex Dynamic Cloth Controller, or Look At My Hair, or any of the animation helpers such as Keyframe. Many plugins add a new control tab to D|S. If all you have is the set included in the program installer, you don't need to worry about this.

  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805
    RS-S said:

     

    felis said:
    RS-S said:

    Sorry to sort of Bump this, but wanted to offer this update: in frustration I closed out, rebooted and found when I did my Daz shortcut had changed itself to 4.11. I still don't understand why my renders are using 100% CPU and not (apparently) using the graphics card at all. 

    What does it list under Render Settings > Advanced > Render devices?

     

    kenshaw011267 said:
    RS-S said:

    Sorry to sort of Bump this, but wanted to offer this update: in frustration I closed out, rebooted and found when I did my Daz shortcut had changed itself to 4.11. I still don't understand why my renders are using 100% CPU and not (apparently) using the graphics card at all. 

    Once 4.11 is installed you should have both 4.10 and 4.11 installed. You need to run 4.11 and go into the advanced render settings and choose the 2070.

    Thank you all for many responses! I'm attaching a screenshot of my render setting. Daz apparrently defaults to the way things look in the image. Should I disable the CPU? or would that make rendering impossible?

    Yes, disable cpu rendering. Also disable optix acceleration, there have been reports of that causing the problem you're having.

  • RS-SRS-S Posts: 72

    Once again, thank you all. I have to say, people here are very helpful and I greatly appreciate it. Everybody have a great day!

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