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HD system???

assmonkeyassmonkey Posts: 0
edited December 1969 in The Commons

Did Daz just spit on the original Genesis on this and this HD stuff is just for their Genesis 2 line?

Or does the original Genesis get the nice HD mesh, too?

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  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,775
    edited December 1969

    I tend to think that DAZ is done with any new development for original genesis. Any new items for original genesis are up to vendors. Sucks royally, but it is what it is.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,424
    edited December 1969

    As far as I am aware the HD morphs are just content and will work on any TriAx figure. Whether there will be any DAZ Original products using it for Genesis I wouldn't care to guess.

  • assmonkeyassmonkey Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    Are they joking...Genesis isn't even that old

    And they're making it out to be that this whole HD mesh thing is a new concept...when people sculpt with hi-poly count meshes

    What do they expect from the vendor side? Not like we can legally do a hi-poly Genesis and sale morphs with a hi-poly count...it doesn't work

  • JoeQuickJoeQuick Posts: 1,718
    edited December 1969

    Vata Raven said:
    Are they joking...Genesis isn't even that old

    And they're making it out to be that this whole HD mesh thing is a new concept...when people sculpt with hi-poly count meshes

    What do they expect from the vendor side? Not like we can legally do a hi-poly Genesis and sale morphs with a hi-poly count...it doesn't work

    sphincter says what?

  • assmonkeyassmonkey Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    We can't sub-divide Genesis...if we send it back over to Daz, the morphs won't work

    You have to work with what you have, because if you mess with it, it won't be useable for anyone else

  • Zev0Zev0 Posts: 7,096
    edited November 2013

    The ability to import HD morphs is exclusive Daz tech and is only available to Daz and PA's who have signed an agreement to use it. Without it, you cannot import Sub-D morphs. The tech is very tightly Guarded at this stage and will remain that way till Daz decides otherwise.

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  • assmonkeyassmonkey Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    very select few...yeah, because that's smart to do *being sarcastic*

    Again, sculpting onto a hi-poly count model is nothing new

    Unless this new tech magically keeps the figures at their base poly-count...then it's not this so-called "revulsion" they're making it sound

  • Zev0Zev0 Posts: 7,096
    edited November 2013

    edited

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  • Zev0Zev0 Posts: 7,096
    edited November 2013

    Vata Raven said:
    very select few...yeah, because that's smart to do *being sarcastic*

    Again, sculpting onto a hi-poly count model is nothing new

    Unless this new tech magically keeps the figures at their base poly-count...then it's not this so-called "revulsion" they're making it sound

    It does "magically" keep the figure at base poly count, and the sub-D details appear only at render stage if the HD morph is dialled up. You can preview the sub-D details in viewport by changing the sub-d levels before hand if you want to see them before render stages.

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  • assmonkeyassmonkey Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    Doesn't the sub-d level increase the poly-count?

  • Zev0Zev0 Posts: 7,096
    edited November 2013

    The way this system works, no. If I dial up the HD morph, the base mesh polycount stays the same. The HD details are only activated once rendering starts, almost like a displacement map. You don't see it until rendering takes place. But with HD morphs you can see it before hand if you up the Sub-D levels in viewport if you want. Also you can dial the HD morph at any strength so its affects will vary according to dial strength.
    The main benefit of HD morphs is that you can get those details without relying on a displacement map that might be UV specific. The HD morphs will work with all UV sets on that character because it is just that, a morph:) This is beneficial because its mesh data, so clothing will react to it unlike with displacement maps, where it cannot calculate the collision before rendering, so there wont be poke-through in that sense.

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  • assmonkeyassmonkey Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    And if I do use these HD morphs, and I do dial up the sub-d, and export out the character

    Will that effect my poly-count that way?

  • Zev0Zev0 Posts: 7,096
    edited December 1969

    Then it will yes. Whatever level Sub-D you are exporting at, that will be the poly count. So if I export at Sub-D level 3, I will get Sub-D level 3 polycount on the exported OBJ.

  • assmonkeyassmonkey Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    Yeah, figured as much...nothing new to this

    But the new HD morphs (and perhaps sculpting my own) will pr ovoid me with a higher detail model to bake a normal make for my game character

    thanks for the replys

  • Zev0Zev0 Posts: 7,096
    edited November 2013

    Sure no problem. And there is nothing new to Sub-D in that sense. However, the ability to import them back into DS and use them is. Something that could not be done in the past. Everything had to be exported\imported at base level, all sculpting and morphs, and that was the max level of detail you could bring back on the mesh into the app . Now you can import detail up to Sub-D level 9 (most rigs can only do level 3 before slowing down) if you want. And those details will be there if the HD morph is dialled when you render.

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  • ScraverXScraverX Posts: 152
    edited December 1969

    I must say I'm somewhat interested to see/play with the HD stuff, but I'll probably wait for a bit.

  • PendraiaPendraia Posts: 3,598
    edited December 1969

    richardclery1 said:
    I must say I'm somewhat interested to see/play with the HD stuff, but I'll probably wait for a bit.
    The HD almost tempts me to play with Gen2 figures...it's a very interesting concept. I also find it very interesting that DAZ are limiting who has access to it. For now I will stick with Genesis and other figures...it's a shame we can't use HD with Genesis it would be so much more useful at least in my humble opinion.
  • MattymanxMattymanx Posts: 6,949
    edited December 1969

    Any PA who has access to the HD tech for creating them can use it on any figure or clothing item. So if any PA wants to make somehitng for Genesis, V4 or even A3 they can.

  • PendraiaPendraia Posts: 3,598
    edited December 1969

    Mattymanx said:
    Any PA who has access to the HD tech for creating them can use it on any figure or clothing item. So if any PA wants to make somehitng for Genesis, V4 or even A3 they can.
    Hey Matty, how are you going? Just wondering have all PA's been given access or only a select few? I noticed that they mentioned that those who had been given access(not sure which thread but I was looking at all the HD threads this morning) that they had to sign a contract to get access. (I'm aware that contracts are generally confidential and don't expect anyone to tell us details) It would be interesting to know though whether there are any limitations in terms of which characters you can use it with? I doubt that Genesis would be an issue I'm thinking more of non DAZ triax figures...
  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,424
    edited December 1969

    Since the HD morphs are asset files I would think they need a DSON-format (that is, TriAx) figure to work - but that isn't definitive, just an inference.

  • Takeo.KenseiTakeo.Kensei Posts: 1,303
    edited December 1969

    @Vata Raven : you don't need DS HD morph to sculpt at subD level 3 and bake a normal map

    As I see it it is only a feature that imports Morphs on SubD level 3, so as long as you have a mesh that is SubD, it should work. It could even work on old figures provided that there is a way to save the morph information (I think it could be a blocking point for that matter)

    To me it seems similar to Blender's Multiresolution modifier. You keep multi level of SubD and I guess other High end Sculpt Softwares have a similar feature

    The advantage of that is that you can choose to just display a mesh at SubD 0 for posing so that the system doesn't slow down and get the HD Level for render

    Now for the fact that DAZ is limiting the access to the tech, I do see a good reason : by limiting the tech, you prevent third party figure to get it, so it is a good way of killing concurrence if you stipulate in a contract that PA are only allowed to use it on DAZ product. Smart move here

    Just my 2 cents

  • Herald of FireHerald of Fire Posts: 3,504
    edited December 1969

    Personally, I think the HD system is a stroke of genius, and I'm surprised it hasn't been thought of before. Morphing subdivided meshes is a very intriguing concept, and means I can still work at a reasonable frame rate without murdering my poor PC with the 1.3 million quads the mesh would otherwise use. I hope we see more of these HD morphs soon, though I can imagine they must take forever and a day to work on!

  • MattymanxMattymanx Posts: 6,949
    edited December 1969

    Pendraia said:
    Mattymanx said:
    Any PA who has access to the HD tech for creating them can use it on any figure or clothing item. So if any PA wants to make somehitng for Genesis, V4 or even A3 they can.
    Hey Matty, how are you going? Just wondering have all PA's been given access or only a select few? I noticed that they mentioned that those who had been given access(not sure which thread but I was looking at all the HD threads this morning) that they had to sign a contract to get access. (I'm aware that contracts are generally confidential and don't expect anyone to tell us details) It would be interesting to know though whether there are any limitations in terms of which characters you can use it with? I doubt that Genesis would be an issue I'm thinking more of non DAZ triax figures...


    Hey Penny, I am doing fine thank you. How are things going for you?

    The HD tech is available to all PAs who want t use it after they sign the agreement for it. Because the ability to use HD is built into DAZ Studio, even Stonemason could use it to do his detailing instead of displacement and bump maps. Not very pratical but it could be done. I personally did not pick it up cause I dont do figure stuff that would require it and I dont have ZBrush to sculpt details. Sculpting is not really my thing either.

  • PendraiaPendraia Posts: 3,598
    edited December 1969

    Mattymanx said:
    Pendraia said:
    Mattymanx said:
    Any PA who has access to the HD tech for creating them can use it on any figure or clothing item. So if any PA wants to make somehitng for Genesis, V4 or even A3 they can.
    Hey Matty, how are you going? Just wondering have all PA's been given access or only a select few? I noticed that they mentioned that those who had been given access(not sure which thread but I was looking at all the HD threads this morning) that they had to sign a contract to get access. (I'm aware that contracts are generally confidential and don't expect anyone to tell us details) It would be interesting to know though whether there are any limitations in terms of which characters you can use it with? I doubt that Genesis would be an issue I'm thinking more of non DAZ triax figures...


    Hey Penny, I am doing fine thank you. How are things going for you?

    The HD tech is available to all PAs who want t use it after they sign the agreement for it. Because the ability to use HD is built into DAZ Studio, even Stonemason could use it to do his detailing instead of displacement and bump maps. Not very pratical but it could be done. I personally did not pick it up cause I dont do figure stuff that would require it and I dont have ZBrush to sculpt details. Sculpting is not really my thing either.That's nice to know Matty...I'm doing well. Just finished report writing and looking forward to the Christmas holidays. I'm glad that DAZ gave everyone who is a PA here have the opportunity to use it. I would imagine that using it on figures will be where it gets most used and possibly clothing. It's certainly an interesting development. hugs Pen

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