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Interesting point of view.
,in this attached image, I created the background in Adobe After Effects CS
I Modeled the entire Armor for the Character,
And of course the planets are simple sphere primitives with C4D procedural shaders
as well as all of the other textures including his skin.
The only "prefabbed "element in the original Daz Freak for poser
(millenium 3 generation)
Many non creative people call me an "Artist" however in truth I actually LOATH the term.
( Sorry, but it always sounds pretentious to my ears)
I consider myself a "Visual Communications Specialist"
I totally agree with your disagreement! If there's an art to doing anything it's an art and a doer of that art is an artist. A martial art is an art, but creativity isn't an essential part of it for most. Ballet is an art, but most ballet dancers aren't creative choreographers, just performers. There are many different kinds of arts and composition is relevant to some and irrelevant to others. Re Daz Studio there is an art to it as - at least for me - it combines aspects of photography, virtual sculpture and collage. Composition is a key apart of it, and I've seen technically excellent renders which are poorly composed and well composed images that are technically poor. Getting both right is an art and anyone who gets it right is an artist. The only thing I was really good at in school was 'art' - drawing, painting and collage - and my schoolwork, not qualifications, was good enough to get me into a 3 year vocational course in graphic design at art college. This was way back in the late 60s "when we was fab" and most folk here probably weren't born - but it was while there I found that writing was my real talent. I also played drums in a band when at school and later, but I also learned guitar as I was mostly interested in songwriting. Since then I've also acted and briefly worked as as both theatrical costume coordinator and in arts admin'. I'm now 68 and since I retired - thanks to the IT revolution - I've self-published 12 books and it was through that I got into Daz Studio as I had to learn how to design my own book covers. I also produce some wall art on HD acrylic, and whether the latter or book covers, it's absolutely art.
Zilvergrafix wrote; "1-when you have a "poor PC" you are more creative because you have limited resources, you are more scientific and your results are more sustainable."
I totally agree as I don't have a powerful PC - I compose on a laptop which only has GTX950M, though it easily handles what I need it to in DS - and one thing I learned when at art college was the more limitations you have the more creative you need to be. Many projects I was given - for example in poster silk screen printing - had limitations such as one could only use 4 colours.
One of the things that used to baffle me when I first started out in Daz 6 years ago is the popularity of ready-made characters as all of the Genesis range 'mannequins' are so eminently morphable that one can create one's own. But being a writer I love character creation and so I've used DS to create images of some of my fictional characters. I think I've bought a couple of ready-mades, plus have a few freebies, but even those I morph into new ones as I don't want to see any characters I use also appearing in others works. As the main post is about cost, I wouldn't want to be spending on the ready-mades. As I'm now retired, on a pension and the self-publishing and wall art I produce doesn't make anywhere near enough money to cover my costs - it's all classed as hobby which isn't expected to make a profit - I do find Daz expensive. The dosh I've spent on Daz products alone is at the very least 20 times the amount of royalties I've made from self-publishing. But I do the work because I love it - and for me, being a member of PC+ is absolutely essential as it's massive cost-cutter.
Totally and utterly agree. Just now a friend of mine in the US is asking for funds to help with medical fees as she's been diagnosed with liver cancer and has only been given a short time to live if she can't beat it. She has to travel very long distances to two different hospitals, plus may soon have to travel so far it can only be done via plane. In the UK she wouldn't have such vast problems thanks to the NHS. But one great way to stop people even looking at Go Fund Me is to litter it with requests for dosh for non-essentials.
GoFundMe is helping people in need, whatever the cause. And I think people can decide what they want to do with their own money. Dishonesty is what kills places like this, so don't be like that homeless person who goes on a $300,000 Vegas casino spree.
I just read in the news they gave Notre Dame over 1 billion dollars. Do you think God needs that much money? Maybe he's plannning a Vegas trip?
...+1
I've been told to do the same but I won't for something like that.
Now if the situation I have with the US Dept of education isn't resolved, I may consider doing such just to pay the balance they claim I still owe as I am unable to pay some bills because of the deductions they are making from my SS benefits which could threaten to put me out on the street.
I had a point to make, and made it well. I understand that others don't agree. That's OK. This thread has totally gone astray.
Dear Moderator, feel free to close this thread if you wish.
..being on a fixed income myself, I understand your concern.
I will never have a "State of the art" system. Crikey I cannot even afford Pascal generation GPUs. My MB is going on 7 years old and I am still using DDR3 memory as well as being limited to a maximum of 6 cores (12 threads) for the CPU. My expansion slots are only PCIe 2.0. and I only have a single x16 one. Yeah, as some opined, yes if this has become "too expensive" for those of us on an extremely limited budget what are we supposed to do?. Are we to simply hang it up and move elsewhere? I say no. We may have to say, deal with longer render times because we don't have the "latest and greatest" hardware, but should that should not be what makes us give up on our creative interest. . Just because we cannot afford the newest tech does not make us "inferior" to those who can. Instead, it means we have to find way to make what we have work for us in the best possible way.
Unless I have some wealthy relative I don't know leave me a moderate windfall in his /her will, or I hit 5 of 6 in the weekly Megabucks lotto draw (with the 4X multiplier) I won't ever have the resources for a 128 GB,32 core CPU system with a Titan RTX GPU.that has 24 GB of GDDDR6. So I won't spend my energy and time sweating it.. I'll just fire up the system I have and go about my work.as it is something I love to do.
Yeah, absolutely true. And equally true is that it's always the other person who can't create a good picture to save their lives.
Though in my case I'll freely admit...I'm that other person.
I don't understand why most people talk about xx80 GPUs...are you all very rich? They're not even in my wishlist xD
I've made 500+ renders with a 1060 3Gb, and yes, it's limiting, but that's because of the small VRAM. Nowadays I guess a GTX 1660 6Gb would give you great results, and a PC with it I guess would cost something around 600/700$...and almost everyone needs a PC anyway.
The problem here are tools and models I guess...they cost more than a complete PC. Here I've made a list of the products I consider most important: https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/319396/very-useful-daz-products-imho-converters-lights-utilities-morphs-vram-optimizers-shaders-etc
Hard to not get jealous sometimes, I mean a lot of these rigs I see around cost more than my motorcycle did lol.
My rig cost more than my car when I got it; I've had said car six years now and hope to have it many more - and it's worth even less. I think it costs me about half what's its worth to insure the damn thing - I really loathe driving.
I don't need a car with bells, whisltes, straight 6, V8 or whatever; crawling along at 15 MPH is just as fast as the Aston Martin, Mercedes, BMWs, Bentleys etc in front, behind and to either side.
I get more value out of spending my cash on my rig.
I still use a 980ti; it cost a decent amount I suppose when I got it, but that was nearly five years agao, so I've had money's worth there. The rest of my rig is much newer. I'm waiting to see how I do with Octane, or transferring to Blender; I object on principle to buying stuff from Nvidia - money grabbers that they are. I will if I feel I have to, but am looking to avoid it.
Once I get my dental repairs finished, I will be able to start putting money away for computer stuff again. Hopefully by the end of the summer I will have it squared away. Next visit is on friday actually lol.
Yes, I prefer to spend money on my rig rather than on a car/motorcycle too xD
I don't have much money anyway xD
Thank you for starting this post. Kinda of same boat with funds for life or funds for fun. Getting back into Daz after awhile but realized my AMD Radeon RX 560 is little out dated. Started pricing the video cards that are on the high end and realized it is out of my budget. Would appreciate any advice on affordable cards that can use NVidia and experience the IRay rendering style.
Mr Ron you are not alone ;)
- Frank
..if you are looking to save money on a 10xx series card most likely you will have to deal with the used market. I'm seeing 8 GB GTX1070s going for around 200 - 260$ .(EVGA, ASUS, and Zotac tend to be the best brands). An 11 Gb 1080 Ti can be found for between 425 and 600$
I am running a used Maxwell Titan X and 4 GB Maxwell 750 Ti which are both working perfectly fine.
It's not what they say in the 4.11 discussion .. There's everything from the denoiser not working to memory leaks to driver issues and more. Then may be someone just gets lucky with his/her own configuration. That doesn't mean it's stable. Otherwise I guess it would be out of beta already.
I think people need to check out this product:
https://www.daz3d.com/batch-render-for-daz-studio-4-and-rib
Its an older product but I have been using it with IRay the past year and it works perfectly fine. With batch rendering most people really do not need a super fast card. I have been using a 6 GB 1060 to do 4K renders. I let 8 to 10 renders go overnight. Recently a newer product like this was just added to the store too.
Also the main reason to upgrade a card is to increase VRAM and eBay is the way I will go with this too. When I get around to it I want to buy an 11GB 1080Ti and that should be all the card I will need for a long time but the price of these are only falling over time.
Finally you do not need a super PC to do Daz renders. The most important thing is that the power supply is adequate to run the card. Also at this point you probably want a Windows 10 machine and probably at least 16 GB of RAM upgradeable to 32. Again, a 5 year old eBay machine will work fine for this.
You can do larger renders in batch rendering, than you could normally?
It just time. A larger render takes longer like an hour or more per render. But in batch rendering you can que up a bunch of them. I do them overnight or when I am at work. It saves them to file. As a hobbyist I spend a lot of time away from Daz when my computer can be rendering.
Ah I see, If I try to go over 3k longest side, my 1060 and 1070 usually say nope and kick me to CPU lol.
Hmm . . . .I don’t think I am doing CPU because I think that takes a lot longer but I will have to look for sure next time. Although I tend to have only one character in my scene so maybe I am able to fit within my VRAM.
...well I certainly don't have a "super" machine compared to some here if you look at my post a bit above.
Now if only we could get networked rendering like Carrara has.
lol I wish. My rig is for work, it just happens to align well with rendering which is how I picked up the hobby.
Phew. I only wished the actual store items were more affordable. $10 is a fortune when a dollar is worth 4 times your money.