Please Could You Consider More Search Options?
Elgyfu
Posts: 279
Sometimes it is really hard to find what you want in Daz search - and surely this prevents sales that could otherwise take place.
For example:
Often the daily deal includes "Buy any new release and get X% off these featured artists"
You can see all the artists' products in one list, very handy. But at this point your options for sorting them is very limited.
You can pick out items by the characters they are for - but not all characters. You can't select Cookie, for example. Or items for the Dog 8, or any other non-human.
There is no way (that I know of) to pick out all the hair, or tutorials, or shader sets or character packs.
Often these offers include very large numbers of items, perhaps 1000 or more.
Please, is there any way to add extra criteria to the search system so we can look for items by type as well as character (if only because lots of things are nothing to do with characters anyway).
I don't have time to plough through a hundreds, or thousands of items on the offchance there is a something I want. But if I could check for things I buy a lof of, such as shaders, hair and props, well, then surely overall this would lead to more sales for Daz (not just from me, of course, lol)
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I agree. I would love to be able to sort by type and not just character.
Quite. The Daz Deals add-on improves things a bit (by allowing filtering by wishlist, "already owned" and "Hide PC"), but so much more could be achieved.
Being able to show only characters/utilities/hair/clothes/textures/props/scripts/add-ons/shaders/etc would be very welcome. (In comparison, I find the "Contemporary/Horror/Fantasy" etc filter is seldom of use).
This is probably less practical, but I wouldn't say no to an option that could filter lists down to just those where I already own the pre-requisites. If I see a list of 500 outfit texture add-ons, I haven't got the patience to search it for those for the few outfits amongst those I actually own, but if I can see the ones that are actually useful for me, I'd certainly be much more likely to consider them.
(Thing is, it's often really easy to entirely miss the existence of outfit styles after you've originally purchased the item, unless you make a point of wishlisting them).
The browser addon has an "addons" checkbox for exactly this. (And also has a "required items" checkbox to do the opposite: filter for the base items that you already have addons for.)
Ahhhh... a newly added feature that requires a Daz Deals account to show up (and I wasn't that interested in e-mail notifications, so I haven't yet got one), so I hadn't yet seen that.
I also agree. I tend to search for many items in store and constantly wish the search system as well as the filtering system would be improved.
I would like to be able to EXCLUDE some classes of items from my store display and search results. I don't use the "toonish" characters like cookie, chip, star, melody, Laroo, etc. Can I please set my account preferences to stop showing those when I sort by lowest price?
Same here.....
I recently searched for an item in the store, typed in the exact name, it came up in the drop down box, but when I actually did the search.... there were so many items that had absolutely nothing to do with the item, and the original item didn't even show up.... so, frustration, and no sale there.
That has happened many times.
The browser addon (https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/106296/announcing-daz-deals-browser-add-on/p1) lets you hide the items you are not interested in, so they will not show up when sorting, or just in general, browsing the store.
Daz deals add on has been super helpful. But I would love to be able to specifically select hairs or clothes or poses, or specifically exclude certain types of items.
you can select just clothes, hairs or poses and then dial down by figure. I guess I have the search parameters pretty much figured out as i can usually find anything I am looking for. For instance, if I am looking for asian furniture, if the description has the word asian in it, it usually shows up. When I type in a search word and it gives me the suggestion in the drop down, i keep on with what I am typing and hit search since it has been my experience that selecting one of the terms in the drop down gives poor results.
Can't they use the metadata for supported products in their search engine?
I think the problem lies with the naming. I have stumbled upon great content by accident. I look at the name and think who in God's name would know how to search for that. If PA's would use SEO friendly terms that uses termonology normal humans would associate with/ their product, their products might do much better. I have done the WTF twitch way too many times, thinking why would someone trying to sell a product like this name it something out to lunch like that? When PA's name their products they should consider SEO and use search friendly terms that humans would use when searching for an item. If it's a house don't name it jumbo's habitant.
The browser addon includes this option. Jolly handy it is too.
As @Elgyfu said, this browser addon does this (and many more stuff) for you: https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/106296/announcing-daz-deals-browser-add-on/p1
If you are talking about Daz's store search, I don't think it will help. I searched on here several times for a harp and the only hits I got were for an old product that had poses but no instrument. Merlin's Harp never came up; I found it via a forum post. Come to think of it, even Google didn't find it with "3d harp model," although it did locate a table lamp model that included the harp that holds the shade. Lol
I 100% agree with @ArtAngel and @miladyderyni_173d399f47. This happens to me alot of times and is my biggest gripe with the search funtion on the daz site.
There has never been a naming convention here, despite it seeming like a basic requirement for this type of product.
When I look back at my old content it is an nightmare. "Sexy Stilettos"... for whom? "Madelaine Hair", "Fantasia", "The Nightmare!". So many things with no mention of the name of their "owner". I have to look at my Daz purchases page to find out..
Even new items don't seem to have rules as to how they are labelled.
Yesterday I was playing with a pretty new item, that will remain nameless. It is an outfit that is "For Genesis 3 and Genesis 8 Female". In my Smart Content I see the item... two icons, identical, same name. I clicked on the one on the right, which is usually the Genesis 8 one if there are two options like this... but of course it turned out I wanted the other one, heh.
Why, oh why, is it not a required standard to just put the Genesis generation on the thumbnail for these items? Or, ideally, for all items! Gosh, wouldn't that be nice? A wee 8 in the corner so you can instantly see it. Or colour coded perhaps.
This would also be so useful when trying to fit retro clothes on. I have the Victoria/Michael 4 clones for Genesis 8 so they can wear 5 generations of clothing.
But finding it is a nightmare. Lots of clothes... but how to spot which is which? I click on something... it asks which generation it is for, for fitting... erm... back to the Daz store to find out.
OK, grumble over. Is it possible to easily rename files? Or is there a solution I don't know about to all this?
@ Elgyfu, and here I thought I was the only artist who has to keep her Product Library page open when working on a project so I can find out what The Nightmare is and if Sexy Stilettos are for G3F or V3. (And also DIM, so I can find where it is because half the time I can't find the model in my content.)
If I am searching for an item that will render in "3Delight" and exclude items that don't then I should be able to do that. You cannot trust the search engine. You can spend considerable time looking for something you have seen before but it will never pop up and then run into items by a keyterm you have searched before you never knew existed. It is so bad I often wonder if for some reason it is done on freaking purpose.
Ad into the mix discontinued items. "Oh gee, I thought that must have been discontinued because I spent 10 minutes two days ago looking for it." I have had items in my wish list discontinued without notice when I checked for them to buy it. If daz was smart enough to tell me it would be gone forever it would have been purchased so I am left angry.
Pissed actually.
There is another website and we all know what it is where items are placed on what is known as "clearance" to give a heads up that it will be gone soon. Ever thought of that daz ?
Yeah, like pool that you play (billiards, snooker) and pool that you swim in, aircraft is a good example of a messy category.
I like proximity references and the string "See also... " I believe that an alphabetical, A to Z index would help. I know it's possible to have a dynamic one with hyperlinks because a friend has a historical dokuwiki of his area set up this way. You can edit and add to the list at any time and when someone views the page in a browser an up-to-the-minute display is shown.
Actually, it's not just the Daz forums. Nearly all the forums I frequent are just stupidly hideous when it comes to searching.
Fortunately, Google to the rescue. Start with entering the forum's url:
https://www.daz3d.com/forums/
a space, then whatever your searching for between quotes " ".
Not 100% but will get you quite aways.
Agreed. When PAs use meaningful names it's a lot easier to find the asset you need. Also using meaningful pictures helps. Sometimes when you just look at the asset name and picture, you can't tell if it's a character or an outfit or whatelse until you get to read the whole page description. Of course this doesn't help fast searches.
There is absolutely no point in looking for a product in the Daz shop that has been on the market a little longer if you don't know exactly what it's called, letter for letter. Because of this ridiculously poorly programmed search, Daz has missed out on quite a few purchases on my part. Despite an intensive search, I simply could not find the products. As good as Daz3d is in other respects, the search functions in the shop are a disgrace.
I'm for more search options, both in web as well as Studio + smart content interfaces. All sorts of.
E.g. "all interactive licenses missing", specifically when interactive licenses are priced between 0-5$ ;). Niche issue?
I do check figures, vendors, products, extension, on occasion. Using all day +-, though.
Reconsidering potential issues, i have had a few instances of search terms being ignored, seemingly, if you regard what they showed you one time, and what you stumbled into "literally" the next day, or another next day. Looks like there could be some "precision interface" for actual search terms, for an addition??
One little thing that would make a big difference would be adding a "No Figure" option to the figure filter. That would let me, for example, sort through the current BYOB category to find potentially useful old props without having to pick them out from among the the literally hundreds of pre-Genesis outfits.
Not to downplay the usefulness of the Daz Deals addon, I really think there must be something wrong-headed when helpful and well-meaning people are discouraged by DAZ from providing a tool to help us find stuff to buy from DAZ. Thus we, the customers who want to find stuff to buy are now asked to pay for the privilge of having better search filters, etc., to enable us spend more money with DAZ.
Imagine if I went to my local supermarket and asked where I could find cheddar cheese and was informed that there's a machine in the foyer that will, for a fee, tell me where to find the cheese. Not to mention that fact that the reason I couldn't find the Cheddar is that it is located at the fish counter and is called "English Style Solid Dairy".
LOL I`ve typed in the exact name of the product and it`s did not show up the the results.
Im one of those weird people that if the item in the store has no price on it, Im not going to walk over to the scanner to find out the price.
I just forget about if and dont buy it.