Daz for Tablet computers?
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Can Daz be run on tablet computers?
If not, is that something the developers are working on - or would consider working on? The experts are saying that desktop PC's are going the way of the dinosaur. What is the plan for the future of Daz in the world of hand-helds?
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Given the number of controls needed it seems unlikely that DS or other complex applications could migrate to a touch interface. The experts are prone to getting over-excited about new tools, but while desktop (and even laptop) PCs may well account for a smaller proportion of the market it seems highly unlikely that they will softly and silently vanish away any time soon.
never trust the experts.
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the tablets and phones are evolving at neckbreak speed
soon they will be a pair of contacts or Glasses with a minsicule ear piece and you will "see" your user inteface before your eyes using gestures and a Bluetooth thimble or 10 on your fingers to do everything inc use software, play games in holographic 3D
They are becoming multi purpose pocket personal computing devices
I won't say Tablets don't have a place, but the use is limited as they are now
but they way they are going, they are Just becoming a More Portable Personal Computers
I don't see how an one interacts with a tablet be any different how ever
I just don't see the Size of the display being of use
I'd rather have a 30in touchscreen to work with Daz
What I could suggest is to use a tablet connected to the work PC to use as the tabs for Parameters and other Settings and content
Freeing the monitor to the Viewport
So tablets, a supporting role
That would be awesome.
***Thinking back to my professional days with Autocad 11 with 18" digitizer/mouse***
It would be like a finger or stylus operated digitizer pad - but instead of a mapped surface it would be a mapped menu surface with instantly changeable maps. That would seriously streamline the work.
lol, not me you quoted BUT there is a remote access android app on Google play
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.teamviewer.teamviewer.market.mobile
Not quite the answer to the question, but I've installed Poser on a Windows 8 tablet - it runs happily on it. The main problems I ran into were having to keep content on an external disk and the fiddly controls - touch works, but it's only useful for a few buttons; using a mouse works fine, though. On the whole, it's interesting for a try, but I can't see doing more than doodles on a long train journey on it *g*
Nath's comment hits the nail on the head for me. Maybe things will change as technology changes and improves, but right now tablets (and pads) are best used for viewing things — reading text, watching video, etc. What we're doing with D|S and similar programs is making things — which at the moment needs much better controls than most tablets can manage, unless you have the budget to go for really high-end kit. Until that changes, I'm keeping my keyboard and mouse.
There are other things to consider, such as has anyone solved the Gorilla Arm problem yet? I know big chunks of the Jargon File are now obsolete or overtaken by recent technology advances, but I haven't heard of anything on this subject for quite a while.
Some of the Surface Pro tablets are as powerful as a laptop. There is one advertised with 8GByte Ram, multi-core CPU and 512GByte storage (but it isn't available yet), you can get detachable keyboards for them and they run Windows 8. I haven't tried one but they sound powerful enough to run Daz Studio reasonably well.
Tablet computers and desktop computers both have their place and their jobs to do but in all honesty, a tablet cannot really do the job of a desktop any more then a regular street car can do the job of a transport. Sure, you can put a better engine in the car and improved other things under the hood but its still a car.
I've used that kind of metaphor many times, comparing thin and slick laptops with two seat sports cars, and my trusty 35 pound Mac Pro desktops with the cargo haulers, telling people who says -"You can do everything you need on a Laptop" that do you recommend someone who hauls containers cross the continent to buy an Audi TT just because they are sleek and you can easy find a parking lot?
I agree with this, though it might work better as a less complex application.
My three-year-old daughter likes to play a Mr. Potato Head iPad app (she also likes the physical Mr. Potato Head toys). There's a little 3D anthropomorphic potato character that the user can interact with. One day while watching her change its facial features and costume, pick a setting, and apply various poses--it struck me how similar this game is to my own hobby. There's even a little camera button which will take and save a snapshot.
Maybe a DS-lite app could be developed for an iOS or other tablet platform...it wouldn't have to be as fully featured as DAZ Studio itself. And as a matter of fact, DAZ already has one...sort of. Maybe try for something halfway in between that and full DS? ;-) Something that allows for, at minimum, import and use of purchased DAZ 3D content, plus a rendering engine (maybe it would have to be cloud-based...not sure), and ideally export of scenes for use in DS.
If something like that could be made, I'd certainly be interested in it. I'm not a developer, though, so I'm not sure what logistical or technical challenges would have to be overcome.
Yeah rendering would have to be cloud based... which would likely cause a cost for the app. Trying to render on a tablet would suck your battery dry. You could do it on a Android with no issue, probably adding a warning that the tablet needs to be plugged in but I guarantee such a feature would never make it on to Apple's App store.
When I first got my tablet I thought it would just be something I used to access the internet when on the go, or maybe play a few games on.
It quickly became a productivity tool once I bought Autodesk's Sketchbook Pro. Now my tablet is my main illustration platform. I also have a large number of music apps for it which I use both in the studio and for live performance.
Autodesk also has a number of interesting 3D apps. And Truesculpt is a fun sculpting app to waste time with.
It might be possible to make a Daz 3D lite version for use on tablets that lets you put together scenes from assets created on your PC and then transfer them to your PC for rendering.
Along with 3D iPad apps that offer cloud rendering services the Apple store is already selling 3D iPad apps that are capable of rendering internally through the CPU and GPU.
Resurrecting the quest for a "DAZ ULTRA LITE" program for modern iPad Pros and Android tables...
Looking back a few years (2012, during the "Genesis Years") DAZ advertised on the forum for developers interested in using their characters for apps. DAZ had actually put together a very crude, "mini-DAZ" using the Genesis characters and showed off a few screen shots showing simple renders of morphs and animation. That was six years ago. Tablets have advanced and I'm wondering how hard it would be to create a simplified App for rendering simpler scenes to smaller sizes. I'm thinking of creating small graphics for web comics, for example. There are simple 3d Poser-styled apps already that allow us to morph, pose and render 3D mannequins that are similar in ways to the first Poser program, and if you don't mind using them for a base to paint over to get your final images, it would do the job, but I'd like to use some of the DAZ models (Toon Generations, Toon Generations 2, possibly Genesis and morphs) to generate closer-to-final images without needing my main computer.
Sure, you don't want to use a sports car to long-haul freight, but I also don't want a semi-trailer rig to drive a mile or two for a hamburger. I'm not for a second looking at fully replacing my main computer and full DAZ program and libraries, but I'd like a portable addition to my workflow that would allow me to do small renders portably.
Remember, DAZ had something I would have paid money for running in 2012 on an iPad 2, the newer tablets are much, much more powerful today.
Examples of cool programs that exist now:
http://codelunatics.com
https://magicposer.com
https://itunes.apple.com/ca/developer/junaid-khan/id481138645?mt=8
http://www.theanimatorsmodeler.com
Samples of DAZ's demo program from 2012:
-- Walt Sterdan
Maybe if it's a cloud computing platform where all the 3D rendering is done on server farms with lots of CUDA cores.
That would be interesting.
alternative use DAZ3D from any portable device (phone or tablet)
there is available REMOTE CONTROL software for smart phone,
your PC do all the job (power process) from tablet and small phone you just control your application
Not really a viable option for the most part. Differences in screen sizes make for either very small controls on the tablet/phone or an awful lot of zooming in and out for starters, and lag due to using available wifi out in the field adds to the frustration exponenetially.
-- Walt Sterdan
Wow, Just noticed the original date of the OP... lol...
With a mouse and a keyboard, Daz runs fine on tablets. They are just smaller desktop PC's, with McDonalds touch-screens. (20 year-old technology added on top of them.)
As long as it is an actual "tablet computer", and not some generic, "computer-like device", riding the coat-tails of the "tablet computer", bandwagon.
A tablet is a PC (Personal computer), and a "desk-top computer". It is just more mobile, and unteathered, because it does a lot less. (Strip the wheels off a car and it is still a car. Just not a real mobile one.)
If you are asking about "Multi-point touch-screens", without another input device... Yup, Daz supports that. It just doesn't do anything "special", with the multi-touch input, but it works. (I have a multi-touch, and pen-tablet, which I use with a mouse and keyboard, and without a mouse and keyboard.) It is only "fast", when it is plugged-in, making it an "All-in-one PC", at that point.
The thing about "professionals", is that they use professional devices, not consumer tablets. That would include hardware that ONLY fits within a server-case, or PC-case. A tablet would be more for presentation of completed works. There will never be a tablet (in the near future), with the power to do what a desk-top-PC will do. Unless it is just another tightly packed PC, in a tablet-form. Like this thing... (It is a "lap-top"... Sort-of...) https://www.msi.com/Laptop/GT83VR-6RF-Titan-SLI.html
DAZ were once going to do a cloud web based option but it never happened
Thanks very much for explaining what "professionals" use and "fast" and tables and computers are, much appreciated.![wink wink](https://www.daz3d.com/forums/plugins/ckeditor/js/ckeditor/plugins/smiley/images/wink_smile.png)
-- Walt Sterdan
Yea, sorry, I didn't realize this was a grave-dug thread...
Mostly, I was correcting the OP's generic question. I am sure they meant touch-screen-tablets, as most tablets are computers. Unless he meant things like android, which has nothing to do with tablets, and that would have to do with the OS.
The point was that tablets are not a focus, by anyone other than "personal computer", creators. Glamorizing 20-year-old technology, marketing it as "something new, or novel". While businesses/professionals, tend to be the primary "target audience", who have the ability to create large-scale productions that the whole world may see. As opposed to individuals rendering 1-2 low-grade scenes on slow "tablets/PC's".
A business would never buy a thousand tablets, to make a render-farm, or to expect you to "create" with them. It is too costly to run, operate, maintain and source for parts that sustain "support". They are scaled-back, mini-PC's, unless they are plugged-in. (Though, fast-food is adopting tablets, because they are cheaper then POS systems and more powerful now, with touch-screens, bluetooth, wifi, video-recording and fingerprint scanners.)
It just sparked some old insight, from back in the "tablet-wars" days, when it came to "Tablet-PC vs PC with a Digitizer tablet-screen", used for drawing with photoshop. (Wacom wars, which is still going-on. Kids buy tablets, in hopes of going pro. Businesses still buy the digitizer tablet-screen, which hooks-up to a "scaleable PC", for creation.)
I also found it funny that he said "PC's were going the way of the dinosaur", and tablets are "PC's". (Again, correcting him to say "desktops". Which I am sure is what he intended to say.)
Like I said, I had no idea this was a grave-dig thread. I wrongfully assumed this was a recent "active topic". These things need to auto-expire/lock after a year!
Might also help if they put the date of the thread, in a location NOT in the USER AREA, which is where the "Join date", is usually located. Like, at the top of the actual thread itself. (Standards, what are those?)
And yet, Poser 11 works perfectly well on my Surface Pro 4, using the pen.
The only problem with DAZ Studio is controlling the camera. Surely this can be fixed.