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Issues getting GeForce GTX 1050 Ti to iray render

May DawneyMay Dawney Posts: 139
edited July 2019 in Technical Help (nuts n bolts)

So, as an intrem solution to an underwhelming computer and not enough spare funds to invest in a super spiffy set-up, I bought and installed a GeForce GTX 1050 Ti graphics card. Turns out there are some issues and more people have had them. Sigh. Anyway. When I first installed it, DAZ agreed it had been installed but refused to touch it. I got that sorted, eventually, but it's not handling heavy renders at all. I upgraded from a 2 GB card to a 4 GB one with the 1050 Ti, but my old card rendered heavy scenes without issue while this one crashes.

I've gotten it to crash in two destinct ways.

With CPU engaged, it either renders out or just....stops rendering (not sure) after a few cycles and the result is attached. The program still runs, so I assume it thinks it's done, but my render time is maxed out and the render is obviously not completed.

Without CPU, it gets into its cycle, but before producing the first image in the render screen, DAZ crashes, with this produced in the log:

2019-07-05 21:38:01.398 Iray INFO - module:category(IRAY:RENDER):   1.0   IRAY   rend info : Received update to 00107 iterations after 7522.204s.
2019-07-05 21:40:33.841 Iray INFO - module:category(IRAY:RENDER):   1.0   IRAY   rend info : Received update to 00109 iterations after 7674.637s.
2019-07-05 21:41:13.197 Iray INFO - module:category(IRAY:RENDER):   1.0   IRAY   rend info : Received update to 00110 iterations after 7714.003s.
2019-07-05 21:43:16.271 Iray INFO - module:category(IRAY:RENDER):   1.0   IRAY   rend info : Received update to 00112 iterations after 7837.070s.
2019-07-05 21:45:42.671 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\cloud\dzcloudtasknotifier.cpp(178): peer performed orderly shutdown errno=0

I rendered a space ship after without issue, but something is definitely up and I have no idea what it is. 

Any ideas?

Thank you,
May

EDIT: Specs (Not sure what you need)

Operating System: Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
CPU: Intel Xeon W3530 @ 2.80GHz
RAM: 12,0GB Triple-Channel DDR3 @ 533MHz (7-7-7-20)
Motherboard: Dell Inc. 09KPNV (CPU)
Graphics: DELL E2310H (1920x1080@60Hz) + 4095MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti (Gigabyte)
Storage: 111GB KINGSTON SUV400S37120G (SATA-2 (SSD)) + 931GB HITACHI HUA722010ALA330 (SATA )

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  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805

    4Gb 1060? The 1060 came in a 3Gb and 6Gb version. the 3Gb card is garbage and I sincerely hope that if you bought one you can still return it.

    As to the problems you're having, did you plug in the PCIE power connector on the card? I think they can get by on the power from the slot when under no load but once they start working they need the supplemental power.

    It is also possible that the GPU is defective. But without some nmore info from the logs I have no way of figuring things out beyond those suggestions.

  • May DawneyMay Dawney Posts: 139
    kenshaw011267 said:

    4Gb 1060? The 1060 came in a 3Gb and 6Gb version. the 3Gb card is garbage and I sincerely hope that if you bought one you can still return it.

    UGH! Shows you how bloody fried I was yesterday! I have the GeForce GTX 1050 Ti and I am usually less of an idiot.

    kenshaw011267 said:
    As to the problems you're having, did you plug in the PCIE power connector on the card? I think they can get by on the power from the slot when under no load but once they start working they need the supplemental power.

    No power connector, it doesn't have one, as far as I'm aware.

    kenshaw011267 said:
    It is also possible that the GPU is defective. But without some nmore info from the logs I have no way of figuring things out beyond those suggestions.

    That was all there was in the log per render. Before and after were my previous and next tries, respectively.

    Thank you for your comment, sorry for my blunder. I'll also add specs to my original post. I see I neglected to do that too.

  • May DawneyMay Dawney Posts: 139

    All right, new morning, new attempt. You mentiontioned needing an extensive log file, so here is one, from start-up to crash. I started up, loaded a scene, changed nothing, hit render, and waited for the inevitable crash. This is the log result (Attached because way too long)

     

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  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805

    Your scene is too big for the GPU. the 1050ti doesn't seem to be the issue. You also seem to be involving the CPU by default which may be the cause of the problem, if your system is short on RAM and swapping to drive a lot that can cause crashes in DS. Try rendering a single primitive with a single shader with the CPU removed, in the render tab -> advanced settings uncheck CPU, and see if there is still a problem.

  • May DawneyMay Dawney Posts: 139
    kenshaw011267 said:

    Your scene is too big for the GPU. the 1050ti doesn't seem to be the issue. You also seem to be involving the CPU by default which may be the cause of the problem, if your system is short on RAM and swapping to drive a lot that can cause crashes in DS. Try rendering a single primitive with a single shader with the CPU removed, in the render tab -> advanced settings uncheck CPU, and see if there is still a problem.

    Thanks! It'll still crash. I can render bitty things perfectly well, and fast too, but not big things. For the record, my previously installed 2GB video card rendered this scene without issue. Slowly, but without issue. As such, I have trouble believing it's not the new card. 

  • May DawneyMay Dawney Posts: 139

    Here is the crash log with CPU unchecked.

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  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805

    The card definitely doesn't have enough VRAM for the scene. The log says so both times. Why Daz is crashing during CPU render isn't shown but I'm still thinking you do not have enough system RAM to load the whole scene there either and the swapping in and out causes the crash. Or based on your statement that the scene rendered previously you may be out of space on the drive the swap file is on. Check your boot drive and see how much space is available on it.

  • May DawneyMay Dawney Posts: 139
    kenshaw011267 said:

    The card definitely doesn't have enough VRAM for the scene. The log says so both times. Why Daz is crashing during CPU render isn't shown but I'm still thinking you do not have enough system RAM to load the whole scene there either and the swapping in and out causes the crash. Or based on your statement that the scene rendered previously you may be out of space on the drive the swap file is on. Check your boot drive and see how much space is available on it.

    I'll check that, thank you, but I should have about 100 GB left :) 
    It's all a mystery to me, but as long as I keep the scenes small, it renders... so that is something. 

  • SixDsSixDs Posts: 2,384
    edited July 2019

    If she was running out of virtual memory, Ken, Windows should be throwing the time-honoured "low on memory" warning popup (unless that has changed with W10). On the other hand, May, you say that you have 100 GB of free space left, but I'm guessing that is on your storage hard drive, not your boot drive. The latter only has 111 GB to begin with. You can check to see how your swap space (or virtual memory in Windowspeak) is allocated and whether any space is allocated for that on your larger storage drive. You can access these settings via Control Panel > System and Security > System > Advanced System Settings > System Properties > Advanced > Performance Options > Virtual Memory. A screen capture of the last window would be helpful.

    I'm thinking it may be time to do a complete systematic system check to eliminate or identify any potential hardware issues that could be precipitating the issue. That way we'll at least know whether it is a hardware or software issue. The fact that it is only DAZ Studio failing would suggest software, but it wouldn't be the first time a system misdirected a user.

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  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805

    Windows has always been kind of spotty about those memory allocation error messages. And sometimes the SW does something in a way that just CTD and Windows never even notices, silent crashes.

  • May DawneyMay Dawney Posts: 139
    edited July 2019
    SixDs said:

    If she was running out of virtual memory, Ken, Windows should be throwing the time-honoured "low on memory" warning popup (unless that has changed with W10). On the other hand, May, you say that you have 100 GB of free space left, but I'm guessing that is on your storage hard drive, not your boot drive. The latter only has 111 GB to begin with. You can check to see how your swap space (or virtual memory in Windowspeak) is allocated and whether any space is allocated for that on your larger storage drive. You can access these settings via Control Panel > System and Security > System > Advanced System Settings > System Properties > Advanced > Performance Options > Virtual Memory. A screen capture of the last window would be helpful.

    I'm thinking it may be time to do a complete systematic system check to eliminate or identify any potential hardware issues that could be precipitating the issue. That way we'll at least know whether it is a hardware or software issue. The fact that it is only DAZ Studio failing would suggest software, but it wouldn't be the first time a system misdirected a user.

    Please find the screenshiots of the c and d drive attached. I have DAZ installed to my d drive (because of said memory limitations), but I suppose it makes sense that it doesn't pull from the d drive, relying just on the c drive even though it's not installed there. 

    Apologies about the delay, I was away most of the day.

    Sorry about the Dutch; my system came with the language installed ;-) 

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  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805
    May Dawney said:
    SixDs said:

    If she was running out of virtual memory, Ken, Windows should be throwing the time-honoured "low on memory" warning popup (unless that has changed with W10). On the other hand, May, you say that you have 100 GB of free space left, but I'm guessing that is on your storage hard drive, not your boot drive. The latter only has 111 GB to begin with. You can check to see how your swap space (or virtual memory in Windowspeak) is allocated and whether any space is allocated for that on your larger storage drive. You can access these settings via Control Panel > System and Security > System > Advanced System Settings > System Properties > Advanced > Performance Options > Virtual Memory. A screen capture of the last window would be helpful.

    I'm thinking it may be time to do a complete systematic system check to eliminate or identify any potential hardware issues that could be precipitating the issue. That way we'll at least know whether it is a hardware or software issue. The fact that it is only DAZ Studio failing would suggest software, but it wouldn't be the first time a system misdirected a user.

    Please find the screenshiots of the c and d drive attached. I have DAZ installed to my d drive (because of said memory limitations), but I suppose it makes sense that it doesn't pull from the d drive, relying just on the c drive even though it's not installed there. 

    Apologies about the delay, I was away most of the day.

    Sorry about the Dutch; my system came with the language installed ;-) 

    The check box at the top of translates to, roughly, let windows manage the size of your swap files. Check that box. 12 Gb is tiny. 

  • Dave McHDave McH Posts: 49
    edited July 2019
    Stupid question but do you have an original GPU? Some of my friends bought gtx1050 on aliexpress and those were gtx550 1gb (or something like that) with flashed firmware.
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  • May DawneyMay Dawney Posts: 139
    kenshaw011267 said:
    May Dawney said:
    SixDs said:
    The check box at the top of translates to, roughly, let windows manage the size of your swap files. Check that box. 12 Gb is tiny. 

    Thankyou! I have three options, from top to bottom: 

    - Adapted size (This forces me to choose the number of MB's I want, minimum and maximum)
    - System controlled (What my c disk is set to)
    - No virtual memory file (What my d disk is set to)

    If I choose the top option, I have to fill in a min and a max. Suggestions? 

  • May DawneyMay Dawney Posts: 139
    Dave McH said:
    Stupid question but do you have an original GPU? Some of my friends bought gtx1050 on aliexpress and those were gtx550 1gb (or something like that) with flashed firmware.

    I bought mine here, but now I look at it.... it does look a little different. This one takes up two slots whereas mine takes up one? The rest of it looks the same and so does the box...

  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805
    May Dawney said:
    kenshaw011267 said:
    May Dawney said:
    SixDs said:
    The check box at the top of translates to, roughly, let windows manage the size of your swap files. Check that box. 12 Gb is tiny. 

    Thankyou! I have three options, from top to bottom: 

    - Adapted size (This forces me to choose the number of MB's I want, minimum and maximum)
    - System controlled (What my c disk is set to)
    - No virtual memory file (What my d disk is set to)

    If I choose the top option, I have to fill in a min and a max. Suggestions? 

    System controlled on every drive. If your D: drive is your boot disk you absolutely have to have a swap file or you'll have problems.

  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805
    May Dawney said:
    Dave McH said:
    Stupid question but do you have an original GPU? Some of my friends bought gtx1050 on aliexpress and those were gtx550 1gb (or something like that) with flashed firmware.

    I bought mine here, but now I look at it.... it does look a little different. This one takes up two slots whereas mine takes up one? The rest of it looks the same and so does the box...

    Pull the card out. There should be a label somewhere on the card. It will have a bunch of different numbers, serial number, model number etc., Look for 1050 somewhere.

  • May DawneyMay Dawney Posts: 139
    edited July 2019
    kenshaw011267 said:
    May Dawney said:
    kenshaw011267 said:
    May Dawney said:
    SixDs said:
    System controlled on every drive. If your D: drive is your boot disk you absolutely have to have a swap file or you'll have problems.

    It's the install disk of DAZ, not the win boot disk. I'll flip the switch, though. Thank you! 
    I'll check the card. 

    EDIT: Card checked and now I have it in my hands, it does look the same. The number look-up (GV-N105TD54GD) leads me to the GTX 1050 Ti, so I'm assuming it's the correct and legit card.

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  • May DawneyMay Dawney Posts: 139
    edited July 2019

    Could someone with more knowledge of the nuts and bolds have a look at this log for me? I've never seen this many errors in my life. Is this the GPU or is something else at play? Because ffs, three figures should not crash on this GPU. I also tried it with two and it still crashes. I can't even.

    Guys, this is my livelihood at stake and I'm getting very anxious...

     

    Edit: Fun. The forum is refusing to upload a 246 kb text file. I need a break, before I break something. I'll try again tonight.

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  • May DawneyMay Dawney Posts: 139

    I'm closing the topic. This thing from hell is going back. My Quadro 2000 renders the figures without issue. Either the card is broken or not compatible with my system, I don't care. It's not working and it can go back to whatever hell hole it crawled out of. Thanks for your help, everyone! Time to clean up, my entire system is now an unstable, crashing mess. 

  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805

    A 1050ti is simply not a very powerful card and a 2or 3 figure scene could easily exceed its RAM.

     

  • May DawneyMay Dawney Posts: 139
    kenshaw011267 said:

    A 1050ti is simply not a very powerful card and a 2or 3 figure scene could easily exceed its RAM.

     

    I get that. The Quandro 2000 is way less powerful, though, and rendered the same scene beautifully without any issues. I ordered a new rig yesterday. AMD Ryzen 5 2600 processor, GeForce GTX 2060 6GB video card, 32GB RAM, 480GB SSD, 2TB HDD. Eff messing with a new video card on this old thing.
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