How to find and fair price for DAZ artist
kenofyork
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Hi everyone,
I just dropped my job posting on Freelancer because I was getting bombarded with non-DAZ artists bidding on the job.
Where can I got to find real, actual DAZ artist looking for some side money as a freelancer? I have learned that the pros want $1200 per render or so, and that is not something I can really afford. Is this the normal rate for a character and render? It really does not have to be a high res render.
I have been on Guru, Upwork and a couple other places searching and searching and frankly it should not be this hard.
It really seems strange that there is not a simple to find place where I can post a job or find an artist looking for one.
If you happen to know of a site please post a link.
Thank you.
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It's unlikely you will find any artist with talent who is willing to do commissions/freelance work for cheap. Art is alot of work. It's time and effort and resources, there is no magic "Make Art" button.
I specialize in 3d animation but i do book cover art for amazon books my price is around $300 for 1 book cover 4000 x 4000 -300dpi image without a back plate & delivered on createspace.com. I have done tons of them.
personally i am with you I would never pay $1200 for 1 render that is ridiculous who do these people think they are da vinci or Picasso..lol wow most people here just render their own stuff
So anyway depending on your art requirements cost will vary if you are needing a series of images using the same back ground with different poses that would be cheaper than something that would require a unique back ground for every different pose. I have a incredibly fast work flow so I can get a lot work done fairly quick depending on the image requirements. The more details the more the cost, its just the nature of the beast
I do charge more for Sexual explicit ADULT renders & animations mostly because i don't really like do them. and if its adult animation I also get a 1.2% commission of the animation sales . Sex sells what can I say.
I charge for animation by the requirements of the job and i use your story board and asset list to work up a job estimate for the work. i require a 50% down payment for any work order still renders or animation to show me your commitment to the project and I accept payment through payapal https://www.paypal.com/paypalme2/ivysdomain. , and cost will also include any assets i would need to buy, if do not own them already. so I can stay with in the daz end license user agreement in order to use daz content . though i have a huge library of 3d content .so most likely i have most of the assets you may require. unless its something special that would require me to buy or custom make.
please give me some details of your requirements so i can have a better idea what your needs are so i can give you a fair price. other wise everything is speculation
on a side note you may try renderosity.com were they are set up & sell images of renders of what their users post, most prices there start at $49 for a image standard license sold there if you want to browse their gallery
Don't underestimate creative work. A pro will ask a professional price. And hobbyists probably prefer to spend their time on their own stuff, since they have limited time next to their actual jobs.
would you rather pay $300 for a 3d asset at cgtraders.com for a genesis8 female figure or would you rather pay $22 for similar figure here at daz. same or better quality ,
artist charge what they can get away with and most of them will tell you they are starving artist.. and my guess is they charge to darn much to keep steady work flow coming in is why they are starving,
I sent you a pm
I'm sorry you are having such a frustrating time, and can empathize. My son is creating a video game and what we went through to find high end people to assist- well, I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Do you have more specifics on what you're looking for the artist to do? That would help. (I'm not interested but others may be.)
@Ivy: Perhaps I spoke too hastily. The truth is, I don't know what a reasonable price would be for a DAZ render. It's just that both my partner and I work as creatives (both unrelated to each other or DAZ) and I've experienced it too many times that creative work is severely undervalued. I think it's a combination of laypeople not understanding just how much work goes into it, and a (perhaps subconscious) assumption that creatives should be payed less because our jobs are "fun" and doing the work itself is already a kind of compensation. At least in our case, it has definitely nothing to do with overcharging. So yeah, sore spots... but none of this has much to do with the OP's question, so I'll see myself out...
I didn't mean to sound harsh. so I apologize if i did come across that way. I rather say things as it truly is rather than try to be PC about it..lol
its true artist will charge what they can get away with . Someone that uses high end software like Autodesk will surely change way more than someone like me using daz . I'm not saying the art work is better or worst its just art. . but there is a difference in over head cost so naturally those folks using high end cloud software will change more to cover their overhead cost, where as artist that use daz only over head cost is the content we purchase & our time . its like comparing apples to oranges . it does not mean the art work is better or worst, some folks using just photoshop can do as well as any 3d software program. and their art work can range for thousands to a mere few bucks, they charage what ever people are willing to pay for.
Some high end software cost people a lot of money to use so maybe why someone like me can charge much less than those who have more cost to cover to create their art. doesn't man the art works better or worst. I know if i thought i could get $1200 a render i would , why not if people are willing to pay for it
But I'm like this OP I rather try to find what I thought is a fair price for the art work I am seeking to get done . it can be very discouraging sometimes looking for a artist. some artist do believe they are Davinci or Picasso 
Ivy, that is wildly uninformed.
Art isn't worth doing for pay at any price point. If someone comes to me asking me to essentially work for $2 an hour and I refuse, I'm not 'turning away good work.'
And if there isn't a market for reasonably paid art, it's not a job, it's a hobby.
If you can't afford to pay reasonably for art, that stinks, but that's life. There's a number of things I want that I can't afford.
Personally, I used to do work for commissions. When I started I charged rather little, and then as I established myself I started asking more reasonable prices. And the work did dry up a bit (I was doing freelance illos for indie RPGs).
Then I became a DAZ PA and the same time put into work got me much more money.
Long and short of it is, the art commission market is really bare so most people with skill go find something else to do.
Yes your right I would not work for 2 bucks a hour either,things have to taken in account what invested with time and assets to what someone is willing to pay for it, its not like I am creating models from scratch . i am using pre made assets to speed up my work flow.. & I don't do this for a hobby. http://www.ivysdomain.com/ I work with creative printing print shop in Boone NC every day, they would never pay me $1200 for a render or illustration they will be using for a promo . & no one in their tight mind is going to pay $1200 for a daz render when they know others would make it for much less . Art is only valuable to those who are willing to pay for it, A artist may think his art work is worth $1200 a render and it may even have taken him or her a week or 2 to create it. But if someone is not willing to pay the price the artist is charging for their work what good is it? There are a lot of artist in this market. Some of them are willing to take less $$ for more work than those who would rather charge more for less work. supply vs demand, its all relevent to those who are willing to pay for your work. if they can't afford you, trust me they will go else to where to find what their looking for. So in short there nothing uninformed coming from me that I have not experienced myself selling art work and animations, in real life and on the web. you get the most you can for your art & eat what you don't sell. you chose a path to be a PA and i love your content but selling 3d content comapared to rendered art work , that is apples to oranges, Art is only valuable to those who are willing to pay for it, I am willing to charge a little less to have more work
@kenofyork, in my experience it's unusual to find pro 3D artists working primarily in Daz Studio, and I've run into several who don't even know what it is. Without knowing more about the job posting, you may have been getting people who didn't understand what you were asking for and were offering a 3D illustration with nearly everything modeled from scratch, which $1.2k would be a much more standard price for.
Don’t underestimate the self-esteem problems that make many artists undervalue their own work, and make them easy to push around when it comes to pricing. I think there’s also a tendency among non-creatives to take the cheapest price they can find for creative work to be the baseline that they should expect to pay.
This is kind of one of the reasons I stopped taking commissions. I have a hard enough time charging enough to make it profitable, but knowing how many people are out there willing to basically engage in targeted negging to get the exact dirt cheap price and/or free work they're after stresses me out.
OK, I could not find my post because someone moved it to a new forum! So it took me a bit to answer these.
Yeah, I am fully aware of the talent and time issue with being creative. I make plastic injeciton molds for hobby products and it takes weeks of CNC programming and milling. One mistake and it is back to starting all over again. Yet people expect me to do all of that and then sell them 5 parts for $2 each.
Back on subject.
I am looking at these products- https://www.google.com/search?q=masterbox+1/24+scale&sxsrf=ACYBGNQ96y5aHrPbQUgm-SDUTRB0Le5nBA:1568138428190&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiU9-Hv6sbkAhXEmVkKHXsFBZQQ_AUIEygC&biw=1536&bih=819
And I think i can do as good or better at 1/3 the price point.
So what I am trying to do is get art work similar in style and quality to the cover art on these products.
Actually, if somone has an existing porfolio I would consider using it and just make the product resemble their artwork.
There are 2 styles i am considering, one is the standard people to display with your model car as shown in the pictures. Die cast cars are in 1/24 scale and those models are to show with your cars.
The other is a range of fantasy role play characters or other fantasy figures. There are scores of them available in 30mm but I want to make them in 1/24 scale and see how they sell.
in both cases I am looking for a couple of different products to start with and more later if sales are good.
I would also consider creating your artwork in plastic model format and paying you an upfront fee +royalties. Or just a fee. So no new work on your end, just sell me what you already got.
Or I could just make them for you, in which case you would be hiring me instead of me hiring you. If that makes sense. I am already a branded product on Amazon so I can most likely move them easier than you, but it is up to you if you want to go in the shipping business. But I am pretty much the cheapest mold maker on the planet.
DAZ can not make injection molds sadly. But I can very closely mimic your artwork using my CAD software. It takes a lot of work on my end, let me tell you.
You must export the .obj file so I can see around all sides. And a render to use in promoting the product.
So, any hope of finding an artist? I am really discouraged by my repeated failures and also a forum argument I got in to on Deviant art. It seems I can not really afford to hire anyone. And even asking for a price seems to be a taboo amongst artists.
I will just have to find the time to do it all myself if all else fails.
So if I get that right you're planning to make figurines out of characters and other models coming from DAZ, in that case you need to consult the EULA for DAZ products, because that's a nono :
https://www.daz3d.com/eula
Or you want someone to make artwork for boxcovers to sell your own shapes and the cars/people on the cover should resemble what your firgures look like, that's something that should be possible.
everything ou wrote was do able right up to this line " You must export the .obj file so I can see around all sides. And a render to use in promoting the product. " anything I would export to you in Obj form from the daz store would require a interactive license in order to do it . those prices vary in cost according to the asset.
Daz also only allows 3d printing of their content for personal use, anything for sale or distribution requires another license for that . according to the End License user agreement . I been down this road once or twice already. making 3d molds for ceramics figures
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5.0 Commercial 3D Print Add-On License
For any User who has purchased one or more Commercial 3D Print Add-On Licenses via the DAZ store, the terms of this Addendum 5.0 apply to all Content that the User has purchased such a Commercial 3D Print Add-On License for.
All Content that can be identified according to the above criteria shall hereinafter be referred to as “Print Content”. The terms of this addendum 5.0 do not apply to any other Content.
For all Print Content the creation of three-dimensional physical representations of the Print Content or any three-dimensional art derived from the Print Content is permitted for personal as well as commercial use by the User so long as it is produced by 3D Printing. The number of such Commercial prints allowed to be made of the Content by the purchase of a Commercial 3D Print Add-On License for that Content is limited to Twenty (20).
In order to produce more than twenty commercial 3D prints of Content User should contact Daz 3D customer service by opening a support ticket and request the ability to purchase additional Commercial 3D Print Add-On Licenses for the Content.
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your project is very do able, but because of the licensing that may drive the cost up some, please read the daz terms for usage of their content in that manner https://www.daz3d.com/eula, contact customer support for a quote licensing cost , the last client i did this for wanted make 5000 - 8 inch ceramic fairy figure for a online store. using daz assets to make the mold with and the cost was around if i remember right $1100 limited to 5000 units you will need to talk to them for how much per unit i think the rates vary on how the final item is going to be distributed.
then you'll have a better idea when you get hit with the licensing cost,. that maybe why others were telling you 1200 for a render. You never mentioned how many different .objs you looking to have made?
I have only used much older versions of DAZ that allowed for such use. In fact I noticed the change in EULA when it occured and had some email exchanges with customer support about that. That has been years ago and since then I have pretty much stopped buying much from DAZ and instead used Renderosity and things.
I am not sure how a human form in a model can be licensed.
I am not using a 3D printer however. I am simply using the model to act as a guide for creating a solid object. Gernally the entire thing has to be re-drawn just using the .obj as a template.
But maybe even that is not allowed?
Wow, not really sure where to go with that.
I guess I could create the model in CAD as a solid, export as an .obj, import in to DAZ and then render to create the product image?
I'm sorry for the disappointment. its just the facts of doing business sometimes, I can actually turn daz obj files in to auto-cad files using 3dsmax
PS I wanted to come back to tell you that you can buy .obj fxb and ready made content already for Auto-cad use at turbosquid.com , usually most products purchased there come with their own license for each prduct so there nothing else need to purchase. but beware turbosquid.com fxb,obj content is very expensive. but its ready to use for what your looking to create.& they do offer some free 3d .obj stuff you should check them out