OT- 505 Error-Bad Gateway - Over and out.

McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,066
edited December 1969 in The Commons

Once upon a time I used to enjoy coming here, checking out whats new, visiting the forums, making witless commentary on topics or helping out where I could...

Then DAZ changed the website software.

Was that like two years ago more or less now?

Yes, it probably works smooth as warm butter for everyone else, but for me it has only ever been a drag...
Little by little it has worn away my desire to be here... little by little many of the user-names I used to know stopped showing up.
Sometimes the problem is the store not working properly, sometimes its the forums...
Sometimes both…
The past several months has probably been the worst since the first few days of the site change... All I ever seem to get is a 505 error "Bad Gateway" notice, when I visit here... if I'm lucky and I do get in…
HA... forget trying to post... all I'll ever get to do is get kicked back to my Account Dashboard so I can try and log in again and get kicked back to my account dashboard and try and log in again to be kicked back to my account dashboard and try and log in again to be kicked back to my account dashboard and try and log in again to be kicked back to my account dashboard and try and log in again to be kicked back to my...
it gets stupid after a while, to where you think "whats the point"?

I mentioned this several months ago and I got several helpful responses on what to do to remedy this, but despite that, nothing really changed.
While I do appreciate suggestions, at this point I really think that for me, it is more or less a moot point...
I have probably 15-20 websites/forums I visit regularly and this happens with NONE of them... I visit probably another 10-15 others more or less regularly and this problem occurs with NONE of them... some are fairly outdated crappy sites too, some are cutting edge... were it not for the fact that I really only encounter this problem here, I'd just say I'm the loser and its my crappy computer, browsers or service provider...

So what, hu?

Meh, I know nobody misses me, but here is the secondary point to this…

A few days ago I went to friend's house and there I met an old friend I hadn't seen in a while… she was feeling down and we got to talking… she used to be a bit of an artist (okay, not the best but she had some potential)… I mentioned how maybe she could try using CGI to do some of her old graphic novels that she once took a stab at and then abandoned…
She was really interested and excited, not having realized how far programs like Poser had come since late 90s early 00s…
So she pulls out her nice new Sony laptop and I'm all gushing over how great 3D is now and I go to show her DAZ3D (because that used to be second nature to me)…
Well, what do think happened?
Nope… we couldn't get in to see anything… 505 error… I ended up showing her Renderosity and ShareCG…
I went over to my friend's 6 month old iMac and we tried one last time to access DAZ through it and alas... 505 errors.
Meh…
Twenty years ago I once recommended a friend to another friend for a job, and the idiot showed up drunk for the interview.
This sort of felt the same way…
You go to tell someone how great a program is for beginners and how awesome the community is, but you can't back it up because neither the store or the
forums are accessible.

Yeah… that was just coincidence.
And I'm sure it was the same with my stupid friend 20 years ago… he just happened to be drunk the day of the interview… bad timing, yeah?

My mother used to have this old German saying she would use in situations like this… it fits real good, but I'm sure if I repeated it, it would come out more like "chickens shouldn't throw eggs at roosters" because my German is that bad… my father had an Italian saying he'd use in situations like this… but I'm sure it'd be against TOS rule to write...
So I'll just say it my way… "This sucks".

Well, whats my point?
Well, today for the ten millionth time I got a 505 error… I actually viewed one or two topics before I clicked on one that was interesting and "BAM"…
So I just had to say this… to someone… anyone…
I'm copying and pasting this till it posts… and then I'm outta here.
I've pretty much had it… I'll check back from time to time…
If I can, when I make a freebie I'll try and post the links on the Freepozitory, but for the most part… I'm done regularly trying to visit this place.
No big loss, I'm just one person… one fish in the sea and just like P.T. Barnum said "there's a fish born every minute"… or was that Ernest Hemingway who said that (he liked fish, right?)… Whatever…
The fun is gone, the love is lost… Hasta la vista DAZy.

To anyone left here who cares, I wish ya' all the best, may the wind always be at your back (unless you are gassy), may the sun always shine on your path, may the force be with you… and all that sorta stuff.

Hugs, love and bacon, your pal- Victor Cook… AKA: lordvicore or McGyver.
DAZ Forum member July 16 2008 - January 7 2014

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Comments

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited December 1969

    Simple solution to this is delete a certain Daz Cookie, which somehow gets corrupted.

    It is the one called ''frontend''

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  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    edited December 1969

    but, cookie doesn't explain his friend's 6 month old imac, sounds like it hadn't been to this site before. and his friend's new sony laptop.

    i haven't seen the 505, but haz been slow for me. i suspect the syncing slows everything. only a suspicion.

  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,231
    edited December 1969

    I concur with Lord.... doesn't matter how many times I clear the cache of certain cookies and other bits from this site it's an endless loop. I don't have to do this on ANY OTHER SITE, EVER! Whomever decided this was a good idea, after 2 years of hell I think it's time to throw in the towel and hit "REBOOT" on the forums and even the store. The store is often time's OK for me but the forums are just a sticky quagmire of issues that sometimes are mostly ironed out and then the next day it's no fun at all. I don't post here as much as I used to either, it's just too much of a hassle. I actually dread coming here wondering if it's going to be a good experience or a bad one. This AM it took the forums 3 minutes to load for me. I'm on a T1 fast DSL so there is NO making excuses for anything. I can go to very heavily laden image and informational sites like Amazon and I get blink of an eye page loading. I know that Amazon is huge and has kazillions of dollars to throw at making sure their web site is a positive experience but still, there must be something that's not being handled correctly here in order to have these extreme off putting glitches that many of us have to deal with. We in the forums may only count for a small number of folks that buy content from DAZ3D but it's not just for us, it's for the merchants that sell here too. When folks can't get on the forums hoping to see a page of info about something they see new in the store it's, I'm sure, off putting for them and they might just give up and go elsewhere.

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited January 2014

    Well we do know that new forum software is due to be arriving sometime in the (hopefully) not too distant future.

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  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,905
    edited December 1969

    This remedy should be temporarily stickied.

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    edited December 1969

    chohole said:
    Well we do know that new forum software is due to be arriving sometime in the (hopefully) not too distant future.


    not too distant future = soon?

    :lol:

  • Miss BMiss B Posts: 3,071
    edited December 1969

    not too distant future = soon?

    OMG, you used the "s" word???? ~GASP~
  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited December 1969

    but at least she didn't use DAZ Soon™, that's even worse.

  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,231
    edited December 1969

    I'd say sometime in Spring and then it will be a whole new set of bugs to complain about. It's written in the DAZ book of magic.... it's all backwards gibberish! lmao

  • KalypsoKalypso Posts: 208
    edited December 1969

    I don't think it's the cookie because in IE11 I often get the same error as the OP but when I open the same page in Chrome it's fine - unless chrome ignores cookies?

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited December 1969

    Some browsers mangle cookie more than others

  • mjc1016mjc1016 Posts: 15,001
    edited December 1969

    Kalypso said:
    I don't think it's the cookie because in IE11 I often get the same error as the OP but when I open the same page in Chrome it's fine - unless chrome ignores cookies?

    Each browser keeps its own cookies...

  • BejaymacBejaymac Posts: 1,897
    edited December 1969

    Welcome to the "Cloud", the home of the moron.

    The problem isn't with DAZ as such, it's that crap CloudFlare network that's the problem.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,213
    edited December 1969

    ...and reminder bots the seem to "fly south" more often than fair weather types from a Northeast winter.

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,651
    edited January 2014

    I get a "505" error or something similar every now and then for the DAZ site but it usually clears up within 30 minutes or an hour or so. And yeah, it's only with the DAZ site. Although during the recent extreme cold spells my Internet has gone completely south for several hours at a time and I have to power cycle my modem, router, and PC and it might come back. l think some boxes out on the telephone poles are a bit chilly.

    But for the most part I can connect and stay connected to DAZ. HOWEVER,... my biggest complaint still with this site is the blinding whiteness of the forum. Ghaaaaa, I can't see, and when I look away the world has turned into shades of red ghosts etched into my retinas!

    I will miss "lordvicore" his posts often make my day.

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  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,231
    edited December 1969

    Bejaymac said:
    Welcome to the "Cloud", the home of the moron.

    The problem isn't with DAZ as such, it's that crap CloudFlare network that's the problem.

    Yup, I agree. BUT many companies are jumping on board TOO SOON and this is the actual issue.

  • TJohnTJohn Posts: 11,221
    edited December 1969

    chohole said:
    Well we do know that new forum software is due to be arriving sometime in the (hopefully) not too distant future.

    ...Next Sunday A,D...
  • atticanneatticanne Posts: 3,009
    edited December 1969

    lordvicore, I will miss you and your humor. I hope I meet you again somewhere on the Net. If not, I guess I'll just have to keep rereading your readme files.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,213
    edited December 1969

    ...same here. The humour in his posts more than once brightened my day. Love the stream of consciousness (unconsciousness sometimes?) and off the track ramblings.


    He creates some excellent models as well. Will just have to haunt Share CG a lot more.


    lordvicore, you're presence here will be sorely missed.


    Seems we're still losing really neat people who made these forums fun to log onto due to the instabilities that have continued to plague the site for nearly twenty months now.


    Bows and flows of angel hair
    And ice cream castles in the air
    And feather canyons everywhere
    I've looked at clouds that way

    But now they only block the site
    They interrupt my online life
    So many things I could have done
    But the clouds got in my way

    I look at clouds from the user side now
    Error 505, can't logon no how
    One of the reasons I recall
    I really don't like clouds at all

    (with sincere apologies to Joni Mitchell)

  • TJohnTJohn Posts: 11,221
    edited December 1969

    Kyoto Kid said:
    ...same here. The humour in his posts more than once brightened my day. Love the stream of consciousness (unconsciousness sometimes?) and off the track ramblings.


    He creates some excellent models as well. Will just have to haunt Share CG a lot more.


    lordvicore, you're presence here will be sorely missed.


    Seems we're still losing really neat people who made these forums fun to log onto due to the instabilities that have continued to plague the site for nearly twenty months now.


    Bows and flows of angel hair
    And ice cream castles in the air
    And feather canyons everywhere
    I've looked at clouds that way

    But now they only block the site
    They interrupt my online life
    So many things I could have done
    But the clouds got in my way

    I look at clouds from the user side now
    Error 505, can't logon no how
    One of the reasons I recall
    I really don't like clouds at all

    (with sincere apologies to Joni Mitchell)


    (Applause) Excellent! Has anyone coined "CloudFlare-Up" as a word yet?
    From Merriam-Webster Online:
    "Definition of FLARE-UP:
    (N) a sudden appearance or worsening of the symptoms of a disease or condition"

    So CloudFlare-Up seems appropriate. :)

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    edited December 1969

    tjohn said:
    Kyoto Kid said:
    ...same here. The humour in his posts more than once brightened my day. Love the stream of consciousness (unconsciousness sometimes?) and off the track ramblings.


    He creates some excellent models as well. Will just have to haunt Share CG a lot more.


    lordvicore, you're presence here will be sorely missed.


    Seems we're still losing really neat people who made these forums fun to log onto due to the instabilities that have continued to plague the site for nearly twenty months now.


    Bows and flows of angel hair
    And ice cream castles in the air
    And feather canyons everywhere
    I've looked at clouds that way

    But now they only block the site
    They interrupt my online life
    So many things I could have done
    But the clouds got in my way

    I look at clouds from the user side now
    Error 505, can't logon no how
    One of the reasons I recall
    I really don't like clouds at all

    (with sincere apologies to Joni Mitchell)


    (Applause) Excellent! Has anyone coined "CloudFlare-Up" as a word yet?
    From Merriam-Webster Online:
    "Definition of FLARE-UP:
    (N) a sudden appearance or worsening of the symptoms of a disease or condition"

    So CloudFlare-Up seems appropriate. :)

    couldflareup, hemmeroidsflareup,

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,651
    edited January 2014

    As long as we're dissing on clouds...

    I admit that I am a Norton InternetSecurity fanboi. I like its features, I trust its security, I admire its reliability, I appreciate the responsive chat-line support. I've stuck with Norton security products through thick and thin, the good times and the bad. I use it on all my networked computers, I recommend its use to my customers, I buy several copies each year when I spot great sales of it on Newegg.com or TigerDirect.com often for 80% off or even free with rebate which I then pass on to my customers who balk at the ridiculous retail price.

    HOWEVER, since the release of the 2013 era Norton InternetSecurity product they have preferred that you use their cloud based password vault instead of their private local password vault. I see the advantage but abhor the idea of putting all the keys to my kingdom in anybody's hands other than my own.

    Many of the customers that I deal with are elderly and have only one computer and are relatively naïve about password security. I took pride in getting them to use Norton InternetSecurity password vault to make it easy to have separate passwords for various, bank, government, forum, mail, and catalogue sites per good security practices. But now that they have to yield up the keys to their kingdom to the supposed safe keeping of "The Cloud" they often balk at the idea, turn off the policy and go back to their old ways of using one password for all sites. Arghhhh.... :-(

    The Norton 2013 versions of InternetSecurity did permit you to keep your local password vault if you upgraded from the 2012 version but once you activate the cloud vault or if you remove the old version and install a fresh new version of Norton InternetSecurity you can't keep the local valult or move backwards to it. They will keep a cached local copy for use in times when you are not connected to the Internet, but all the keys to your kingdom are still out there in the cloud.

    I can see hungry thieves just drooling at the prospect of worming their way into one of those vaults with more millions of accounts that contain not only credit card information but bank passwords, software passwords, private addresses, etc. And don't try to placate me by saying it's "secure" 'cause it ain't. We all know that. The headlines scream that. Mark my words, we WILL see one of those cloud vaults compromised sometime in the future.

    Norton (Symantec) please, please, bring back the completely private password vault. At least give us the option of using it and not forcing us to use The (dreaded) cloud.

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  • mjc1016mjc1016 Posts: 15,001
    edited December 1969

    Is it just me...or does The Cloud remind anyone else of Skynet?

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,213
    edited December 1969

    tjohn said:

    Has anyone coined "CloudFlare-Up" as a word yet?
    From Merriam-Webster Online:
    "Definition of FLARE-UP:
    (N) a sudden appearance or worsening of the symptoms of a disease or condition"

    So CloudFlare-Up seems appropriate. :)

    couldflareup, hemmeroidsflareup,
    ...kind of one and the same as they are both pains in the bum.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,213
    edited December 1969

    As long as we're dissing on clouds...

    I admit that I am a Norton InternetSecurity fanboi. I like its features, I trust its security, I admire its reliability, I appreciate the responsive chat-line support. I've stuck with Norton security products through thick and thin, the good times and the bad. I use it on all my networked computers, I recommend its use to my customers, I buy several copies each year when I spot great sales of it on Newegg.com or TigerDirect.com often for 80% off or even free with rebate which I then pass on to my customers who balk at the ridiculous retail price.

    HOWEVER, since the release of the 2013 era Norton InternetSecurity product they have preferred that you use their cloud based password vault instead of their private local password vault. I see the advantage but abhor the idea of putting all the keys to my kingdom in anybody's hands other than my own.

    Many of the customers that I deal with are elderly and have only one computer and are relatively naïve about password security. I took pride in getting them to use Norton InternetSecurity password vault to make it easy to have separate passwords for various, bank, government, forum, mail, and catalogue sites per good security practices. But now that they have to yield up the keys to their kingdom to the supposed safe keeping of "The Cloud" they often balk at the idea, turn off the policy and go back to their old ways of using one password for all sites. Arghhhh.... :-(

    The Norton 2013 versions of InternetSecurity did permit you to keep your local password vault if you upgraded from the 2012 version but once you activate the cloud vault or if you remove the old version and install a fresh new version of Norton InternetSecurity you can't keep the local valult or move backwards to it. They will keep a cached local copy for use in times when you are not connected to the Internet, but all the keys to your kingdom are still out there in the cloud.

    I can see hungry thieves just drooling at the prospect of worming their way into one of those vaults with more millions of accounts that contain not only credit card information but bank passwords, software passwords, private addresses, etc. And don't try to placate me by saying it's "secure" 'cause it ain't. We all know that. The headlines scream that. Mark my words, we WILL see one of those cloud vaults compromised sometime in the future.

    Norton (Symantec) please, please, bring back the completely private password vault. At least give us the option of using it and not forcing us to use The (dreaded) cloud.


    ...fortunately I stayed on the upgrade route (2010 - 2011 - 2012 - 2013). I never really used the locker as even in past versions, it had some odd quirks. Even though that sometimes causes frustration when logging on because I forgot a password (easy to do with all the 'headhunting" and job board sites I'm registered on), there's always password recovery when all else fails. Heck, my bank prompts me to change my password every few months.


    Of all the security providers, I would think Symantec understood the risks of placing such critical security information on a cloud based service. Very disappointing.

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,651
    edited January 2014

    Regarding Norton InternetSecurity's password vault "odd quirks". Yeah, I noticed them. They weren't too hard to live with though. But the 2013 and now the 2014 version's interface is more stable and more logical, and less prone to leave you in the lurch even when you change passwords. It just seems to do the right thing about noticing that you've entered a new password and keeps that in mind the next time you access that site.

    And for the few instances where the vault still insists on inserting an old password, the new interface lets you turn off the vault functions momentarily without digging deep into the interface.

    And for those of us who had a private password vault with the 2012 version and simply upgraded through 2013, and 2014 the private vault still works the same way, but if you ever convert to the cloud vault or install a virgin copy of 2013 or 2014 your private local copy will be erased and shipped up into the cloud and you'll not be able to re-establish a local private vault. (unless you remove the new version, reinstall and relicense the 2012 version and upgrade again.

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  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    edited January 2014

    wuh ohs, sited a 522 this morning.

    wuz clicking on FaeMate: Blonde from my wishlist. tried again 5 minutes later it went through

    wuz a cron job? sounds naughty. :)

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