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Gay themed renders?

dodgerrecordsdodgerrecords Posts: 123
edited December 1969 in The Commons

Just out of curiosity, as long as my renders are not anything explicit, what is the general rule on posting renders that have themes involving gay/homosexual characters. For instance two guys kissing, or in romantic positions.

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  • Herald of FireHerald of Fire Posts: 3,504
    edited December 1969

    I would imagine that as long as there is no nudity or implied sex it would be fine to show. After all, if we can show two perfectly consenting straight couples in a relationship, there should be no barriers for homosexual couples as well. This is the 21st century after all.

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited December 1969

    Renders are fine as long as they stay within the ToS, as HoF states.

    We do already have a long running thread called ''Men… men, MEN! And more MEN!!... The prodigal sons have returned…'', although that has been quiet for a month or two, and another called ''The Michael Initiative '' which is about cross dressing, although that is somewhat tongue in cheek.

  • dodgerrecordsdodgerrecords Posts: 123
    edited January 2014

    I'm just gonna test the waters here, is something like this acceptable:

    Image removed

    Post edited by Chohole on
  • LycanthropeXLycanthropeX Posts: 2,287
    edited December 1969

    i see no issue with it, its tasteful and not offensive

    not really my cup of tea, being a straight male, but i see no reason for it not to be allowed

  • Male-M3diaMale-M3dia Posts: 3,581
    edited January 2014

    dodgerrecords said:
    I'm just gonna test the waters here, is something like this acceptable:

    I think the only issue would be that you're using the teen characters for the render. Even having straight teens going at it this hot and heavy on a bed may be an issue.

    Post edited by Male-M3dia on
  • dodgerrecordsdodgerrecords Posts: 123
    edited December 1969

    I hear you, I tell gay stories alot of them based on when I was in high school, so I end up using the teens for that alot.

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited December 1969

    Yes at this point I am going to float this past the Mod team.

  • dodgerrecordsdodgerrecords Posts: 123
    edited December 1969

    chohole said:
    Yes at this point I am going to float this past the Mod team.

    Haha, hence me bringing the issue up.
  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited December 1969

    That is one thing that makes DAZ 3D different from a lot of other sites. The Mods do work as a team, we don't make unilateral decisions on things but have a discussion.

  • SzarkSzark Posts: 10,634
    edited December 1969

    Gay meaning Happy, yeah we like happy renders. ;)

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited January 2014

    OK, after discussing this, the consensus of opinion is that, although it is borderline, we are not going to allow the render to stay.

    I quote here one comment by our team leader, which I think sums it up nicely

    If they hadn't been sitting on a bed and/or had had more clothes on it would probably have been safe, but the combination of age, location and dress makes it just over the edge to me.

    Thanks for asking for clarification.

    Post edited by Chohole on
  • RCDescheneRCDeschene Posts: 2,801
    edited December 1969

    I actually commend this topic, especially with the sample that was presented. A significant deal of my OCs are homosexual as well (in fact, I prefer to think all of my characters are mutually bisexual). And yes, not all of them are adult, either. However, I've always been one to refrain from displaying the younger ones publicly for reasons rather similar to yours (that and I've actually been very apprehensive as to whether or not I actually want to display them cyberly without some form of legal trademarking).

  • dodgerrecordsdodgerrecords Posts: 123
    edited December 1969

    chohole said:
    OK, after discussing this, the consensus of opinion is that, although it is borderline, we are not going to allow the render to stay.

    I quote here one comment by our team leader, which I think sums it up nicely

    If they hadn't been sitting on a bed and/or had had more clothes on it would probably have been safe, but the combination of age, location and dress makes it just over the edge to me.

    Thanks for asking for clarification.

    Thanks for clarification, I purposely posted one I thought would be a little risque so that I could kind of establish a "do not cross" line. So no hard feelings at all, I'm glad we cleared it up before it could have become an issue.

  • dodgerrecordsdodgerrecords Posts: 123
    edited December 1969

    RCDeschene said:
    I actually commend this topic, especially with the sample that was presented. A significant deal of my OCs are homosexual as well (in fact, I prefer to think all of my characters are mutually bisexual). And yes, not all of them are adult, either. However, I've always been one to refrain from displaying the younger ones publicly for reasons rather similar to yours (that and I've actually been very apprehensive as to whether or not I actually want to display them cyberly without some form of legal trademarking).

    I hear you, probably 90% of the renders I have done of this nature will always stay private, but it would be nice to get some feedback on the renders I do feel comfortable putting out there. Eventually I want to establish a website where people who enjoy this type of material could come and look at my renders, maybe even for a fee.
  • ghastlycomicghastlycomic Posts: 2,531
    edited December 1969

    chohole said:
    although that is somewhat tongue in cheek.


    Wait... I thought we WEREN'T allowed to post sex renders.

  • SickleYieldSickleYield Posts: 7,644
    edited January 2014

    ghastlycomic said:
    chohole said:
    although that is somewhat tongue in cheek.


    Wait... I thought we WEREN'T allowed to post sex renders.

    Ha ha ha. :D

    We definitely have pics of guys making out in the MEN, MEN etc. thread, or guys engaged in foreplay-substitute not-technically-making-out activities (some wrestling scenes definitely are this) but they all usually look well over 18. DAZ is based in the USA, and 18 is the American age of consent for sex with someone else over 18; teenagers can do it with each other but it's not acceptable for adults to depict that to titillate other adults, usually.

    For e.g., a 15-year-old and a 16-year-old can get it on, but a 21-year-old cannot take pictures of them doing it without it being legally pedophilia. That's the rule renders usually go by as well. I mostly just avoid ever rendering teenagers because the whole thing makes me feel crawly.

    Post edited by SickleYield on
  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,651
    edited December 1969

    HeraldOfFire said:
    ... This is the 21st century after all.

    I'm afraid that depends on who you ask.

  • Dino GrampsDino Gramps Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    LeatherGryphon said:
    HeraldOfFire said:
    ... This is the 21st century after all.

    I'm afraid that depends on who you ask.

    Well, it is undeniably the 21st century by the way we reckon time. There are other calendars.

    There is nothing that is guaranteed to be an improvement over the 20th century We (USA) can't even get into space without hitching a ride from Russia or China!

  • RCDescheneRCDeschene Posts: 2,801
    edited January 2014

    SickleYield said:
    ghastlycomic said:
    chohole said:
    although that is somewhat tongue in cheek.


    Wait... I thought we WEREN'T allowed to post sex renders.

    Ha ha ha. :D

    We definitely have pics of guys making out in the MEN, MEN etc. thread, or guys engaged in foreplay-substitute not-technically-making-out activities (some wrestling scenes definitely are this) but they all usually look well over 18. DAZ is based in the USA, and 18 is the American age of consent for sex with someone else over 18; teenagers can do it with each other but it's not acceptable for adults to depict that to titillate other adults, usually.

    For e.g., a 15-year-old and a 16-year-old can get it on, but a 21-year-old cannot take pictures of them doing it without it being legally pedophilia. That's the rule renders usually go by as well. I mostly just avoid ever rendering teenagers because the whole thing makes me feel crawly.
    Actually, erotic depictions of fictitious children are far more passable than real world photography, because no real minors are being subjected to sexualization. In fact, there are whole sub-genres of erotic material in Japanese anime dedicated to this concept: "Shotacon" and "Lolicon". Shotacon involves young males, Lolicon involves young females. It's a style or art, it's legal, and it's very popular among a few of my weeaboo friends.

    Oh yes, I have some very unusual friends. Given myself, this shouldn't surprise anyone. :)

    Post edited by RCDeschene on
  • Herald of FireHerald of Fire Posts: 3,504
    edited December 1969

    RCDeschene said:
    Actually, erotic depictions of fictitious children are far more passable than real world photography, because no real minors are being subjected to sexualization. In fact, there are whole sub-genres of erotic material in Japanese anime dedicated to this concept: "Shotacon" and "Lolicon". Shotacon involves young males, Lolicon involves young females. It's a style or art, it's legal, and it's very popular among a few of my weeaboo friends.
    The legality of that depends on where you live, and there are plenty of places where even drawn images of minors will get you arrested on the same charges as the real thing. At any rate, I hope we can drop this area of conversation. I don't really think it's the sort of thing we should be discussing on a 3D rendering forum.
  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited December 1969

    I totally endorse what HoF says. The original query was answered, and the reply accepted by the OP, so further debate is really unnecessary and is straying into areas which are not suitable for the DAZ 3D forums.

  • icprncssicprncss Posts: 3,694
    edited December 1969

    RCDeschene said:
    SickleYield said:
    ghastlycomic said:
    chohole said:
    although that is somewhat tongue in cheek.


    Wait... I thought we WEREN'T allowed to post sex renders.

    Ha ha ha. :D

    We definitely have pics of guys making out in the MEN, MEN etc. thread, or guys engaged in foreplay-substitute not-technically-making-out activities (some wrestling scenes definitely are this) but they all usually look well over 18. DAZ is based in the USA, and 18 is the American age of consent for sex with someone else over 18; teenagers can do it with each other but it's not acceptable for adults to depict that to titillate other adults, usually.

    For e.g., a 15-year-old and a 16-year-old can get it on, but a 21-year-old cannot take pictures of them doing it without it being legally pedophilia. That's the rule renders usually go by as well. I mostly just avoid ever rendering teenagers because the whole thing makes me feel crawly.
    Actually, erotic depictions of fictitious children are far more passable than real world photography, because no real minors are being subjected to sexualization. In fact, there are whole sub-genres of erotic material in Japanese anime dedicated to this concept: "Shotacon" and "Lolicon". Shotacon involves young males, Lolicon involves young females. It's a style or art, it's legal, and it's very popular among a few of my weeaboo friends.

    Oh yes, I have some very unusual friends. Given myself, this shouldn't surprise anyone. :)

    Try entering a country that has signed ACTA with those you mention or any other of that type of anime on your computer. Customs of any of the signatory countries have both the right and obligation to search any and all electronic devices for offending material. They can and do view it as offending material (offending in this case meaning material that violates the agreement) and will arrest for possession of child pornography. Canada set the precedent some years ago by convicting a 19 yo male who entered Canada via Montreal. He had legally obtained Manga on his laptop that Customs viewed an child pornography.

    It has been brought up in other threads when the complaints get heated about why DAZ doesn't make anatomically correct figures but like it or not, if DAZ wants to keep doing business with PayPal and not have to go through a single third party (and highly expensive) credit card service, they cannot afford to become labelled as an "adult" site.

  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,231
    edited December 1969

    LeatherGryphon said:
    HeraldOfFire said:
    ... This is the 21st century after all.

    I'm afraid that depends on who you ask.


    HAHAHA..... I'll be quiet now.

    Love the topic by the way! :-)

  • BobvanBobvan Posts: 2,652
    edited January 2014

    This is a bit OT I am not gay but have made commission projects for gay ppl I also don't have a beef with it..

    Post edited by Bobvan on
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