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  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,310
    scorpio said:
    Artini said:
    scorpio said:
    DigitalSteam said:
    HowieFarkes said:

    Hi all and thanks for your interest in UltraTrees.

    UltraTrees has indeed been built to enable the addition of more species of tree, bark, and foliage. I am in fact working on an add-on pack featuring a number of species of oak tree rightnow. As all the photo reference material is being done by me it's kinda reliant upon what trees I can find around my city (which luckily has a very diverse planting).

    And yes the leaves are modelled in 3d and are not just transmapped planes - which was the reason I created this product :)

    Using instances for the leaves/needles was kinda brilliant. :)

    And, I don't think it's a big deal that you can't use it with Ultra-scatter - This is a hero tree. For anything else, transmapped planes are fine.   Heck, more than a few meters away, and you could just fill the background with billboards rendered from a few angles and variations. 

    You can't instance them at all though which is a kind a shame.

    It is not the shame, but it is the limit of the Daz Studio itself.

    The instances cannot be instanced in Daz Studio.

    If you need this feature, look for some other software.

    I have not tried, but probably, Unity support instancing of instances.

     

    Yes it is a shame whether its a limitation of the product or the software its still a shame. Maybe I should turn to another software of course then I won't need to keep all those purchases I've made in the last 30 days.

    Well, that's a choice you will have to make.

  • scorpioscorpio Posts: 8,479
    Sevrin said:
    scorpio said:
    Artini said:
    scorpio said:
    DigitalSteam said:
    HowieFarkes said:

    Hi all and thanks for your interest in UltraTrees.

    UltraTrees has indeed been built to enable the addition of more species of tree, bark, and foliage. I am in fact working on an add-on pack featuring a number of species of oak tree rightnow. As all the photo reference material is being done by me it's kinda reliant upon what trees I can find around my city (which luckily has a very diverse planting).

    And yes the leaves are modelled in 3d and are not just transmapped planes - which was the reason I created this product :)

    Using instances for the leaves/needles was kinda brilliant. :)

    And, I don't think it's a big deal that you can't use it with Ultra-scatter - This is a hero tree. For anything else, transmapped planes are fine.   Heck, more than a few meters away, and you could just fill the background with billboards rendered from a few angles and variations. 

    You can't instance them at all though which is a kind a shame.

    It is not the shame, but it is the limit of the Daz Studio itself.

    The instances cannot be instanced in Daz Studio.

    If you need this feature, look for some other software.

    I have not tried, but probably, Unity support instancing of instances.

     

    Yes it is a shame whether its a limitation of the product or the software its still a shame. Maybe I should turn to another software of course then I won't need to keep all those purchases I've made in the last 30 days.

    Well, that's a choice you will have to make.

    I'm otta here. I did like the product its well done; but I think I will return I'm sure Howie will thank you for the lost sale.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,583

    if you want the replicated ones with replicated bits there is a lovely software called Carrara heart

    Howie made lots of lovely scenes for it too yes

  • DisparateDreamerDisparateDreamer Posts: 2,514

    Hands down the best trees I've seen in a while!!! 

    I played with idea too, I had a pine tree with instanced needles (I did LAMH and swapped the hair for a needle instance) but then I couldn't instance the trees... and if i made the tree with lots of leaves, it was still too much memory. Instancing the leaves on a tree is the best way to go for high detail closeups like this. Lots of trees that will do mid or even semi close but these are great right up close. Gorgeous work Howie! Can't wait to see more!

  • GoggerGogger Posts: 2,416
    edited October 2019

    Here's another image using UltraTree - I LOVE THE TREES IT GENERATES!!  And those shadows are perfect! (WIP - I have a corrected render cooking at home right now with that distant tree moved to a better location.)



     

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  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,310

    It's so nice the way the light plays on the leaves.  You don't get that with a billboard.

  • GoggerGogger Posts: 2,416
    Sevrin said:

     

    It's so nice the way the light plays on the leaves.  You don't get that with a billboard.

    Wow - you're right! VERY nice lightplay on that tree!

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,839

    My UltraTrees metadata has suddenly gotten messed up. There are a bunch of files in Lost and Found, including the main script file. Does anyone else see this problem?

  • HowieFarkesHowieFarkes Posts: 607
    barbult said:

    My UltraTrees metadata has suddenly gotten messed up. There are a bunch of files in Lost and Found, including the main script file. Does anyone else see this problem?

    Have never seen that happen - maybe uninstall and start over? Sorry I'm not much help.

  • HowieFarkesHowieFarkes Posts: 607

    Beautiful renders Gogger and Sevrin!

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,839
    HowieFarkes said:
    barbult said:

    My UltraTrees metadata has suddenly gotten messed up. There are a bunch of files in Lost and Found, including the main script file. Does anyone else see this problem?

    Have never seen that happen - maybe uninstall and start over? Sorry I'm not much help.

    I tried that and I also tried reimporting metadata. I guess I'll have to submit a help request.

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,839
    edited October 2019

    This is what is now in Lost and Found for UltraTrees.

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  • HowieFarkesHowieFarkes Posts: 607

    I have no experience with smart content... but yeah looks like something went wrong badly. I mean why would a tiny script to launch the pdf manual get there?

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,839

    I uninstalled again, and this time I deleted and redownloaded the DIM package and reinstalled. It is just the same (messed up). I'm sure it wasn't like this when I first installed it. I hope my database has not gotten corrupted. I will go ahead and submit a help request and see what they say.

     

  • sandmanmaxsandmanmax Posts: 992
    HowieFarkes said:

    Hi all and thanks for your interest in UltraTrees.

    UltraTrees has indeed been built to enable the addition of more species of tree, bark, and foliage. I am in fact working on an add-on pack featuring a number of species of oak tree rightnow. As all the photo reference material is being done by me it's kinda reliant upon what trees I can find around my city (which luckily has a very diverse planting).

    And yes the leaves are modelled in 3d and are not just transmapped planes - which was the reason I created this product :)

    Howie, I'd be happy to take tree and leaf pictures for you if you want to expand.  I live in Georgia and I've got pin oaks, red oak, white oak, lob lolly pines (with long needles), hickory, eastern red cedar, river birch, tulip poplar, crepe myrtle.  That's just what comes to mind.  I think there are more southeastern varieties in the local parks - something that drops spikey seed pods the size of tennis balls. And, of course, the quintessential   Southern Magnolia.

  • HowieFarkesHowieFarkes Posts: 607
    sandman_max said:
    HowieFarkes said:

    Hi all and thanks for your interest in UltraTrees.

    UltraTrees has indeed been built to enable the addition of more species of tree, bark, and foliage. I am in fact working on an add-on pack featuring a number of species of oak tree rightnow. As all the photo reference material is being done by me it's kinda reliant upon what trees I can find around my city (which luckily has a very diverse planting).

    And yes the leaves are modelled in 3d and are not just transmapped planes - which was the reason I created this product :)

    Howie, I'd be happy to take tree and leaf pictures for you if you want to expand.  I live in Georgia and I've got pin oaks, red oak, white oak, lob lolly pines (with long needles), hickory, eastern red cedar, river birch, tulip poplar, crepe myrtle.  That's just what comes to mind.  I think there are more southeastern varieties in the local parks - something that drops spikey seed pods the size of tennis balls. And, of course, the quintessential   Southern Magnolia.

    That's very kind but like I said my city (Canberra) has a very diverse planting and it's just easier if I own the copyright to the images. The oak add-on pack will have pin oak, bur oak, willow oak and sessile oak.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,583
    HowieFarkes said:
    sandman_max said:
    HowieFarkes said:

    Hi all and thanks for your interest in UltraTrees.

    UltraTrees has indeed been built to enable the addition of more species of tree, bark, and foliage. I am in fact working on an add-on pack featuring a number of species of oak tree rightnow. As all the photo reference material is being done by me it's kinda reliant upon what trees I can find around my city (which luckily has a very diverse planting).

    And yes the leaves are modelled in 3d and are not just transmapped planes - which was the reason I created this product :)

    Howie, I'd be happy to take tree and leaf pictures for you if you want to expand.  I live in Georgia and I've got pin oaks, red oak, white oak, lob lolly pines (with long needles), hickory, eastern red cedar, river birch, tulip poplar, crepe myrtle.  That's just what comes to mind.  I think there are more southeastern varieties in the local parks - something that drops spikey seed pods the size of tennis balls. And, of course, the quintessential   Southern Magnolia.

    That's very kind but like I said my city (Canberra) has a very diverse planting and it's just easier if I own the copyright to the images. The oak add-on pack will have pin oak, bur oak, willow oak and sessile oak.

    very diverse since they legalised some, I almost want to move there so I can have edibles to help me sleep with my arthritis cheeky

  • sandmanmaxsandmanmax Posts: 992
    OnlyLuvsCatz said:

    if you want the replicated ones with replicated bits there is a lovely software called Carrara heart

    Howie made lots of lovely scenes for it too yes

    And they make wonderful backdrops for DAZ images.

     

  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 9,722
    edited November 2019

    Eucalyptus tree from the system scattered in 100 instances.

    Makes great base for different compositions.

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  • scorpioscorpio Posts: 8,479

    I did decide to keep the trees as they were the only ones I could get to look right for this image

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  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,839
    scorpio said:

    I did decide to keep the trees as they were the only ones I could get to look right for this image

    Those trees look great. It is a very nice image, too. yes

  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,225
    JonnyRay said:
    alexhcowley said:

    My first thought when I saw this was: oh no, not another set of trees!  Then I saw Howie's name attached and it suddenly became a must have.  It's on my wish list for now but I hope to have it installed in my runtime within a week.

    Cheers,

    Alex.

    Emmphasis added.

    Howie has been a "must have" vendor for me since my days of trying to love Carrara and the amazing sets he created for that software.

    +1

  • MelanieLMelanieL Posts: 7,481
    Diomede said:
    JonnyRay said:
    alexhcowley said:

    My first thought when I saw this was: oh no, not another set of trees!  Then I saw Howie's name attached and it suddenly became a must have.  It's on my wish list for now but I hope to have it installed in my runtime within a week.

    Cheers,

    Alex.

    Emmphasis added.

    Howie has been a "must have" vendor for me since my days of trying to love Carrara and the amazing sets he created for that software.

    +1

    +2 - actually I bought Carrara just to use some of Howie's sets! Now he's brought so many to DS I'm delighted. (I never really got on with Carrara - I probably just need to give it more time and put in a lot more effort to understand it)

  • GoggerGogger Posts: 2,416
    MelanieL said:
    Diomede said:
    JonnyRay said:
    alexhcowley said:

    My first thought when I saw this was: oh no, not another set of trees!  Then I saw Howie's name attached and it suddenly became a must have.  It's on my wish list for now but I hope to have it installed in my runtime within a week.

    Cheers,

    Alex.

    Emmphasis added.

    Howie has been a "must have" vendor for me since my days of trying to love Carrara and the amazing sets he created for that software.

    +1

    +2 - actually I bought Carrara just to use some of Howie's sets! Now he's brought so many to DS I'm delighted. (I never really got on with Carrara - I probably just need to give it more time and put in a lot more effort to understand it)

    +3 - almost to a word.  I forced myself to learn just enough Carrara to use Howie's stuff and was always very pleased with the results.  Now that more and more Farkes goodness is showing up for DAZ I don't even need to bother with Carrara any longer, so thank you for THAT too!

  • AnEye4ArtAnEye4Art Posts: 769
    barbult said:

    This is what is now in Lost and Found for UltraTrees.

    I have the same problem too. Except most of the pics are just the exclamation mark on mine.

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,839

    Daz Customer Service acknowledged that Daz messed up the UltraTrees metadata. No word yet on a fix, though.

  • SzarkSzark Posts: 10,634
    edited November 2019

    I am on the fence a little with this set though I do lust over the promos. :) anyhoo one q comes to mind how many leaf textures are there for one species in the same colour i;e; green, yellow etc. I suppose what really matters is how many different leaves are used as the source of the scatter. Can we use more or less or is it fixed. Again love this idea and right in my buy zone. 

    Post edited by Szark on
  • SuSoleilSuSoleil Posts: 94

    Screenshot

    Same problem here. Most of the pics are exclamation points and the props show up as primitives. Have reinstalled multiple times. Submitting a help request.

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,839
    SuSoleil said:

    Screenshot

    Same problem here. Most of the pics are exclamation points and the props show up as primitives. Have reinstalled multiple times. Submitting a help request.

    Did you install with Daz Connect inside Daz Studio? That doesn't work for this product. It works correctly if installed with DIM. The metadata is wrong, though, even with DIM. I submitted a ticket about that, but there has been no resolution.

  • SzarkSzark Posts: 10,634

    Well if my simple Q can't be anawsered by the vendor then I shall put my money elsewhere. Thx

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