Teen Jayden All Seeing Eye

dodgerrecordsdodgerrecords Posts: 123
edited December 1969 in The Commons

Ok, I HAVE to ask this question, and I figured this would be a good place since the new teen jayden content was actually created by daz. Why does the new teen jayden character have an all seeing eye on his clothing. Is this really a trendy symbol now that should just be considered a harmless symbol? I have always been under the impression that the eye of horus is the symbol of the elite in this day and age, barring its original benign meaning. Anyway just figured I'd bring it up, as I notice other characters in the Daz catalog covering one eye, wearing the eye of horus, etc, etc. Anybody else know what to make of it?

This symbol seems to be popping up in every form of entertainment mysteriously, who tells people, or gives them the idea to use it? Surely there are more aesthetically pleasing symbols to use which dont have as much paranoia wrapped up in them?

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  • DaWaterRatDaWaterRat Posts: 2,885
    edited December 1969

    Maybe the artist is a fan of Steve Jackson Games?

  • Scott LivingstonScott Livingston Posts: 4,344
    edited January 2014

    As a symbol it's kind of "edgy" and has a number of different meanings and interpretations. When I was Jayden's (apparent) age, a shirt like that would definitely have appealed to me.

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  • jestmartjestmart Posts: 4,449
    edited December 1969

    As it is on the backside of the US one dollar bill perhaps DAZ saw it as a lucky charm to ensure Jayden would be a money maker.

  • RiggswolfeRiggswolfe Posts: 906
    edited December 1969

    If by "All Seeing Eye" you are making reference to the Illuminati, it is important to note that the real Illuminati was not what pop culture has come to betray them as. That depiction has its roots in a fictional novel and has since become something of an urban legend. Likewise, the Masons are not out to control the world, etc.

  • CypherFOXCypherFOX Posts: 3,401
    edited January 2014

    Greetings,
    Heh! I loved the Illuminatus! books when I was that age, and that logo is straight from there...maybe modified a tiny bit by the Steve Jackson Games game that descends from it... That particular version of the logo is much more the logo-ized mocking of the conspiracy theories, rather than being a serious kind of thing.

    But nobody mistakes the Illuminatus! books as fnord real these days. Sorry, humans are just not that good at conspiracies. :)

    -- Morgan

    p.s. Plate of shrimp.

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  • TJohnTJohn Posts: 11,225
    edited December 1969

    Triangles and eyes figure heavily in Pink Floyd album cover imagery. Maybe Teen Jaden is a fan. :)

  • dodgerrecordsdodgerrecords Posts: 123
    edited December 1969

    I'm not saying Daz is illuminati lol, I just see this symbol EVERYWHERE, and you also cannot deny the occult influences much of entertainment has. It just always turns up my curiosity as to why these symbols are put in music videos etc. Surely they cant all be fans of Peter Jackson or Pink Floyd.

  • dodgerrecordsdodgerrecords Posts: 123
    edited December 1969

    Also, I dont necessarily believe in "the Illuminati", but it is a fact that most of the wealth of the world is controlled by a small group of people, and whoever controls the wealth is in charge. There is undoubtedly people that conspire together to influence world events to give themselves more power and wealth, that much is clear. So yes a lot of what is put out as facts about "the Illuminati" is garbage, but you cannot deny that almost every president has been a member of some kind of secret society, and the symbols these powerful people are taught to respect and learn from are prominently displayed all over the nation, as well as on the dollar bill. It's also obvious that this group is great at exerting their influence over politicians through campaign contributions and lobbying and thus exert their control over the entire nation, perhaps the entire world.

    If people arent that good at keeping a conspiracy quiet, why do we not have clear details about what goes on at Area 51? Why did we not know about the NSA wiretapping until Edward Snowden risked his life to inform us? When people are threatened with the loss of career, life, or family safety, you'd be surprised how tight lipped they become. Honestly the best way to keep a conspiracy quiet, is to make anyone who brings it up seem like a crack pot, or make it seem like a conspiracy couldn't happen, when they do happen. All the time.

  • TheWheelManTheWheelMan Posts: 1,014
    edited December 1969

    Well, the Masons are a real organization, and I believe that that symbol on the dollar bill is a Masonic symbol.

  • Lissa_xyzLissa_xyz Posts: 6,116
    edited January 2014

    He's wearing it because it's a royalty free stock image. lol
    http://www.graphicsfactory.com/Clip_Art/Signs-Symbols/all_seeing_eye_004_384815.html

    Jayden's version is missing the rays of light though that you'd normally find on an Eye of Providence.

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  • dodgerrecordsdodgerrecords Posts: 123
    edited December 1969

    Well, the Masons are a real organization, and I believe that that symbol on the dollar bill is a Masonic symbol.

    It's not actually a masonic symbol, although they do use it. The eye of horus actually goes all the way back to the mystery schools of babylon. Mostly all of the symbols in freemasonry have their root in babylonian mystery cults, and masonry is actually an attempted revival of these various religions and teachings.

    Yes people might use these symbols because they are used in their favorite game or TV show, but if your are trying to spread an ideology what better way to do it? I mean yes pink floyd and peter jackson may have used these symbols, but WHY? Why did they start using them? Whats the root cause of why this symbol is so prominent in pop culture? If it has no significance other than a fashion statement, you could have fooled me with how much of a prominent place it is given in pop culture. I mean why does rihanna have a picture like the one attached in her videos that flashes by for a 8th of a second? I'm just not satisfied with the simplistic answers people readily accept. Call me a conspiracy theorist :) lol.

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  • Lissa_xyzLissa_xyz Posts: 6,116
    edited January 2014

    The eye of horus

    Why do you keep calling it this? Eye of Horus/Eye of Ra looks nothing like what's on Jayden's shirt. He's got the Eye of Providence (the one aka as the "illuminati" symbol) minus the rays of light.

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  • DaWaterRatDaWaterRat Posts: 2,885
    edited December 1969

    Sorry, this is just bugging me a little bit.

    Peter Jackson is a Director/Writer/Producer

    Steve Jackson is the namesake (and founder) of a Table Top Game Studio. www.sjgames.com

    Steve Jackson Games uses a modified version of the eye ... Because it is Funny. It's poking fun at conspiracy theories. Conspiracy Theories make great fodder for game scenarios. So do headlines from Weekly World News, and on occasion The Onion.

    And yes, the symbol is ancient. Because that's what people do. They take old symbols, often ones they don't really know anything about, and adopt them for their new thing to make their new thing seem old and have some sort of legitimacy and/or legacy. And then those new things become old, and someone else takes the symbol to make their new thing feel old and connected to what was once a new thing, but is now an old thing.

    Lather rinse repeat

    It's not an ancient conspiracy.

  • dodgerrecordsdodgerrecords Posts: 123
    edited December 1969

    Vaskania said:
    The eye of horus

    Why do you keep calling it this? Eye of Horus/Eye of Ra looks nothing like what's on Jayden's shirt. He's got the Eye of Providence (the one aka as the "illuminati" symbol) minus the rays of light.
    Metaphysically they mean the same thing. This is a more modernized version of the classic eye of providence/horus/ra, eye in the pyramid. Yes its not stylized like the classic Egyptian symbol, but thats the thing, the egyptians took what was already around and used it in their own religion and applied it to their own Gods. So essentially the symbols are the same, they are just different incarnations.

  • dodgerrecordsdodgerrecords Posts: 123
    edited December 1969

    Vaskania said:
    The eye of horus

    Why do you keep calling it this? Eye of Horus/Eye of Ra looks nothing like what's on Jayden's shirt. He's got the Eye of Providence (the one aka as the "illuminati" symbol) minus the rays of light.


    Metaphysically they mean the same thing. This is a more modernized version of the classic eye of providence/horus/ra, eye in the pyramid. Yes its not stylized like the classic Egyptian symbol, but thats the thing, the egyptians took what was already around and used it in their own religion and applied it to their own Gods. So essentially the symbols are the same, they are just different incarnations.
    According to legend, the Egyptian god Osiris had a son, Horus. His jealous brother, Seth, killed Osiris. Horus then attacked Seth to revenge his father’s death. During the epic battle, Horus lost his eye. The god Thot came to Horus’s aid and was able to restore the eye to health. Horus then fed the eye to his father, Osiris, bringing him back to life.

    Horus’s eye thus became a symbol of power, protection and health.

    The shape of the Eye of Horus is actually a mixture of a human eye and a stylized falcon. The elongated eyelids and brow are part of the human element representing the god Horus, while the projections along the bottom represent the legs and tail of the falcon from the more ancient sun god, Heru-Ur. The Eye of Horus is often seen in ancient hieroglyphics and on modern Egyptian goods.

    American Dollar Bill. United States of America. 2004. paper. The back of the American dollar bill features the Great Seal of America. On the left side can be seen the Eye of Providence, hovering over an Egyptian pyramid. The Eye of Providence is derived from the Eye of Horus, an ancient symbol used to ward off the evil eye.

    Over the many centuries, the Eye of Horus symbol has been adapted by other cultures. For example it was adapted by early Christians to represent the Eye of God. A symbol of power and protection, the Eye of God is often depicted in the sky with rays shining from it like the sun. The Eye of God can be found on German coins in the late 1600s and was often used by the Freemasons. In 1776 the United States Congress adopted the symbol upon the recommendation of Benjamin Franklin, who was a Masonic officer. The Eye of God was renamed the Eye of Providence and was approved as part of the great seal of the United States. Later it was printed on the one-dollar bill, positioned hovering over an Egyptian pyramid, emphasizing its origins.

    http://faao.org/what/heritage/exhibits/online/Horus.cfm

  • mrposermrposer Posts: 1,131
    edited December 1969

    Teen Jayden will wear anything to cover his girly-man pecs.

  • RiggswolfeRiggswolfe Posts: 906
    edited December 1969

    Well, the Masons are a real organization, and I believe that that symbol on the dollar bill is a Masonic symbol.

    It's not actually a masonic symbol, although they do use it. The eye of horus actually goes all the way back to the mystery schools of babylon. Mostly all of the symbols in freemasonry have their root in babylonian mystery cults, and masonry is actually an attempted revival of these various religions and teachings.

    As fun as it is to speculate on the Masons I can assure you they are not what you seem to believe. I've had many relatives and friends in the Masons and all these conspiracies about them make something mystical out of something that is, I assure you, utterly mundane.

  • dodgerrecordsdodgerrecords Posts: 123
    edited December 1969

    Well, the Masons are a real organization, and I believe that that symbol on the dollar bill is a Masonic symbol.

    It's not actually a masonic symbol, although they do use it. The eye of horus actually goes all the way back to the mystery schools of babylon. Mostly all of the symbols in freemasonry have their root in babylonian mystery cults, and masonry is actually an attempted revival of these various religions and teachings.

    As fun as it is to speculate on the Masons I can assure you they are not what you seem to believe. I've had many relatives and friends in the Masons and all these conspiracies about them make something mystical out of something that is, I assure you, utterly mundane.


    Thats what masons will tell you, but they are under oath to hide what their true beliefs are, theyll never tell you its anything more than a fraternity, if you actually read some of their writings and teachings, you'll find its far from the truth. I'm not saying they are bad, or that they are evil, but they definitely arent just a gathering of men. Why would they have to swear an oath where the consequence is a masonic execution if it was just a frat house?

  • RiggswolfeRiggswolfe Posts: 906
    edited December 1969

    Well, the Masons are a real organization, and I believe that that symbol on the dollar bill is a Masonic symbol.

    It's not actually a masonic symbol, although they do use it. The eye of horus actually goes all the way back to the mystery schools of babylon. Mostly all of the symbols in freemasonry have their root in babylonian mystery cults, and masonry is actually an attempted revival of these various religions and teachings.

    As fun as it is to speculate on the Masons I can assure you they are not what you seem to believe. I've had many relatives and friends in the Masons and all these conspiracies about them make something mystical out of something that is, I assure you, utterly mundane.


    Thats what masons will tell you, but they are under oath to hide what their true beliefs are, theyll never tell you its anything more than a fraternity, if you actually read some of their writings and teachings, you'll find its far from the truth. I'm not saying they are bad, or that they are evil, but they definitely arent just a gathering of men. Why would they have to swear an oath where the consequence is a masonic execution if it was just a frat house?

    I think I should bow out of this conversation as I do not want to cause any issues on the forums.

  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,298
    edited December 1969

    Discussions about these conspiracy theories and organizations are not suitable for the DAZ forums. It almost always turns into argument in which we need to get involved and start removing post for personal attacks.

  • SickleYieldSickleYield Posts: 7,644
    edited January 2014

    (Sorry, Frank, didn't see your post. Removed for conspiracy-teasing.)

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  • TJohnTJohn Posts: 11,225
    edited December 1969

    No comment....

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,244
    edited December 1969

    Maybe the artist is a fan of Steve Jackson Games?

    ...:coolsmile: +1
  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,244
    edited January 2014

    Well, the Masons are a real organization, and I believe that that symbol on the dollar bill is a Masonic symbol.

    ...Mozart was a Mason... and Today (or what's left of it) is his Birthday


    ...maybe Jayden is a Mozart Fan.

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  • KhoryKhory Posts: 3,854
    edited December 1969

    At this point the "illuminati" shtick is so common place it is pretty much a pop culture joke. Though I do suspect that many people are eager to read symbolism into things when non really exists. Sometimes a triangle is just a triangle.

  • Ken OBanionKen OBanion Posts: 1,447
    edited December 1969

    Cypherfox said:
    Greetings,
    Heh! I loved the Illuminatus! books when I was that age, and that logo is straight from there...maybe modified a tiny bit by the Steve Jackson Games game that descends from it... That particular version of the logo is much more the logo-ized mocking of the conspiracy theories, rather than being a serious kind of thing.

    But nobody mistakes the Illuminatus! books as fnord real these days. Sorry, humans are just not that good at conspiracies. :)

    -- Morgan

    p.s. Plate of shrimp.

    I, too, was a huge fan of the Illuminatus! trilogy! I even found a reprint of it (in both hardcover and paperback -- so, naturally, I bought both!) several years ago, as a single, "omnibus" volume; sadly, it is now out of print.

    And, much to my displeasure, all references to the "self-destructing mynah birds" had been removed from that edition. (Damn PETA, they just have to screw it up for everybody, don't they!?)

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,244
    edited December 1969

    ...loved playing the Illuminati card game by (of course) Steve Jackson Games.

  • gocuzerogocuzero Posts: 62

    i need illuminaty sing and textures for my conspiracy renders some one has more l stuff of this .

  • gocuzerogocuzero Posts: 62
    edited August 2021

    i need  a list of  ocultism  satanic or  conspiracy prop or character for some commision render.

    Or masonic temple or something like a evil round table or similar.

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  • maikdeckermaikdecker Posts: 2,967

    This thread infused me with the dire need for a tin foil hat for G8M/G8F

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