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something interesting regarding photoshop and lightroom

DaikatanaDaikatana Posts: 830
edited December 1969 in The Commons

Adobe is offering a limited time special on the creative cloud versions of photoshop and lightroom. For those interested, go here:

http://www.adobe.com/


Look for the special offer regarding photoshop and lightroom for 9.99 per month. Limited time offer and when I took advantage of it, the rep I spoke with said it would be fine to link you all to their site

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  • Lissa_xyzLissa_xyz Posts: 6,116
    edited February 2014

    Be aware of that offer. IIRC, those offers are normally for the first year only and will go up to full price after that. Also, if you can no longer afford it, you lose all of your work and cannot open it (one of the major downfalls of that subscription crap).

    Post edited by Chohole on
  • DifferentlyAliveDifferentlyAlive Posts: 38
    edited December 1969

    I was curious about that. If you "subscribe" (prefer buy) the new version and you do not maintain the subscription the software does not work?

  • Lissa_xyzLissa_xyz Posts: 6,116
    edited February 2014

    I was lucky enough to take advantage of a buy CS5 and get CS6 free at release deal they were running before CS6 was released. I don't foresee myself buying into the subscription model. If I can either get a copy of Illustrator CS6 or a better way of importing SVG into Photoshop from Inkscape, I'd be good.

    FQIrving: Well, yea. If you're no longer subscribing, then it would stand to reason that the software would no longer work. The caveat to that is that you can no longer access your work files either.

    Post edited by Chohole on
  • DaikatanaDaikatana Posts: 830
    edited December 1969

    Vaskania - 07 February 2014 08:05 PM
    Be aware of that offer. IIRC, those offers are normally for the first year only and will go up to full price after that. Also, if you can no longer afford it, you lose all of your work and cannot open it (one of the major downfalls of that subscription crap).

    Actually that is not the case. It is clearly stated that should you cancel or downgrade your membership you will still have access to your work . I am pasting the relevant section from the terms below:

    If you cancel or downgrade your paid membership, you will still have access to all of the files in the Creative Cloud folder on your computer and via the Creative Cloud website.

    Your account will be downgraded to a free membership, which includes 2GB of storage. If you're using more than 2GB of storage, you will not be able to sync files until the amount of online disk space used in your account drops below your allotted amount.

  • Lissa_xyzLissa_xyz Posts: 6,116
    edited December 1969

    Yes, you'll have access to the files, but you'll have no way to open them for editing as you no longer have access to the software.

  • DaikatanaDaikatana Posts: 830
    edited December 1969

    It's not a proprietary file format. I just tested that with GIMP and also with Photo Plus. Works fine

  • Lissa_xyzLissa_xyz Posts: 6,116
    edited December 1969

    Only if you don't use anything in Photoshop that Gimp can't interpret. See my screenshots. This is the same PSD file opened in both programs. See the differences?

    luminescence_gimp.jpg
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    luminescence_photoshop.jpg
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  • DaikatanaDaikatana Posts: 830
    edited December 1969

    Eh, will see what happens at the end of the year. I had already been leaning towards getting the sub for Photoshop anyway. This just gave me a 50% discount and access to an extra app. Right now I am having fun learning a new toy.

  • Lissa_xyzLissa_xyz Posts: 6,116
    edited December 1969

    Yea. You won't get any use out of Lightroom unless you do digital photography (although I hear it's cataloging abilities are far superior to Adobe Bridge), but doing the Photography Bundle is cheaper than the $29.99 single app for Photoshop alone.

  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 6,288
    edited February 2014

    That was an offer that was announced at PhotoshopWorld last September. It's quite real. And the $9.99 subscription rate is in perpetuity (or until Adobe raises their prices on everything). The offer was mainly put together for the benefit of professional photographers and consists of *only* Photoshop and Lightroom, plus some specific related apps for handhelds, I think. No access to the rest of the Adobe product line.

    Not sure how one qualifies, or if it's just a specific limited subscription that one can choose to subscribe to, like the personal subscription as opposed to the workgroup ones. I doubt that you need to prove that you're a professional photographer, even if that's who the package was originally designed for. Not like you need to prove you're a student to get the student rate.

    Post edited by JOdel on
  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,973
    edited December 1969

    JOdel said:
    That was an offer that was announced at PhotoshopWorld last September. It's quite real. And the $9.99 subscription rate is in perpetuity (or until Adobe raises their prices on everything).

    Sure about that? On the Danish Adobe site it says (translated into English): "After the first 12 months we'll automatically renew your subscription based on the actual price of the offer".

    I asked in a law group (as this sounded a bit ambiguous to me) and there was general agreement that this meant that the renewal price would be based on the actual price of the subscription at the renewal date. They might be wrong though. What does it say on the US site (can't access it, they keep redirecting me to the Danish site)?

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,464
    edited February 2014

    Taozen said:
    JOdel said:
    That was an offer that was announced at PhotoshopWorld last September. It's quite real. And the $9.99 subscription rate is in perpetuity (or until Adobe raises their prices on everything).

    Sure about that? On the Danish Adobe site it says (translated into English): "After the first 12 months we'll automatically renew your subscription based on the actual price of the offer".

    I asked in a law group (as this sounded a bit ambiguous to me) and there was general agreement that this meant that the renewal price would be based on the actual price of the subscription at the renewal date. They might be wrong though. What does it say on the US site (can't access it, they keep redirecting me to the Danish site)?

    The UK site says the same
    Renewal
    After the first 12 months, we will automatically renew your contract based on the current price of the offering.

    Post edited by Richard Haseltine on
  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,601
    edited December 1969

    The US site says the same, after 12 months it renews at the regular rate.

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,973
    edited February 2014

    But can't "current" be interpreted both as the current price when you subscribe (the discounted price) and the current price at renewal?

    Post edited by Taoz on
  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited December 1969

    would you put money on it? I know I wouldn't.

  • XoechZXoechZ Posts: 1,102
    edited December 1969

    Why is everone so mad about Photoshop?

    I think this is one of the most overpriced and overrated programs on this planet. There are several other programs that do everything as good as Photoshop, or even better - especially for postworking rendered images (a task that most people here do). And that new subscription thing from Adobe is a bad joke.

    Just my opinion :-)

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,973
    edited December 1969

    chohole said:
    would you put money on it? I know I wouldn't.

    Probably not. I guess the only way to get a straight answer will be asking Adobe (and hope whoever anwers the question knows what they're talking about).

  • DaikatanaDaikatana Posts: 830
    edited December 1969

    Taozen said:
    But can't "current" be interpreted both as the current price when you subscribe (the discounted price) and the current price at renewal?

    Somebody asked that exact same question of an Adobe CS rep and here was her reply:

    Clarification from Adobe Customer Support:

    Sandra: Unlike our other special offers for existing customers to join Creative Cloud, this is not an introductory, first-year-only price that will increase after the first year.

    Sandra: This is the standard price for this offering, meaning that it is our intent to renew customers at the same price after their first 12 months. However, we cannot say that the price will never increase, as this is not a“price lock.” We can say that it is not our intention to increase the price of this offering, and have no current plans to do so.

    11/20/13 2:35pm

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,973
    edited February 2014

    Daikatana said:
    Sandra: This is the standard price for this offering, meaning that it is our intent to renew customers at the same price after their first 12 months. However, we cannot say that the price will never increase, as this is not a“price lock.” We can say that it is not our intention to increase the price of this offering, and have no current plans to do so.
    11/20/13 2:35pm

    Thanks. Not sure what she means though with "this is the standard price" as the offer only lasts until march 31. after which it goes up to $19.95 or so, as far as I understand?

    Post edited by Taoz on
  • DaikatanaDaikatana Posts: 830
    edited December 1969

    Well , as the offering in question is labelled on the adobe site as it's own sort of package or bundle ,the statement seems to imply that they plan to keep this package at or near the same price after the 12 month period. Also, I have not seen this price point referred to as "introductory pricing" by any statement from Adobe that I was able to track down when I was making my decision to take advantage of the offer.

    Honestly, it could be seen to be a profitable marketing move to lower the cost barrier to let more hobbyists take advantage of the software. A fair number of the customers that go for this pricing are probably customers that Adobe never would have had otherwise. Would be kinda stupid on the part of Adobe to double or even triple the price after a year and not only lose those customers but also create yet another huge wave of discontent like the one that blew up around the switch to the "creative cloud".

    This is my opinion and my understanding of the matter. I may be wrong at the end of the next 12 months. Or I may be "smiling all the way to the bank" when I find that my subscription for the service does not change in price. Nobody knows. I did research. I asked questions . I spent time looking at the information that was out there and based my decision on what info I can find. Basically the same things any smart consumer does. For now I am happy with my "new toys" and there's no reason not to have as much fun as I can with the new art tools. Looking back, maybe I should not have made the original post about the package on these forums. I never thought this much debate would have been generated over sharing a link to a bargain price on software.

  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,264
    edited December 1969

    I don't like the cloud system for anything. I don't want my software to be actively online all the time. I don't mind the auto update once a week but that's about my limits of what I want my software online. Who knows what hacks can get there hands on with a cloud system. Unless I'm mistaken on how the system works and that may be the case

  • Lissa_xyzLissa_xyz Posts: 6,116
    edited February 2014

    XoechZ said:
    Why is everone so mad about Photoshop?

    I think this is one of the most overpriced and overrated programs on this planet. There are several other programs that do everything as good as Photoshop, or even better - especially for postworking rendered images (a task that most people here do). And that new subscription thing from Adobe is a bad joke.

    Just my opinion :-)

    There are things that Photoshop can do that I can't do in Gimp (or things that take a longer process), or things that would require multiple apps to achieve that can be done in just Photoshop.

    The non-destructive editing in PS is also a plus (ie my cropped pixels aren't deleted, but rather hidden- things like that).

    I also use it though because I do digital photography and can do more with PS than I can in Lightroom. It's more of a one-stop-shop for me (no pun intended lol).

    I don't like the cloud system for anything. I don't want my software to be actively online all the time. I don't mind the auto update once a week but that's about my limits of what I want my software online. Who knows what hacks can get there hands on with a cloud system. Unless I'm mistaken on how the system works and that may be the case


    You're not online all the time w/ Adobe Cloud. You only need to log on about every 2 months or so to kind of 'check in' to the mothership. Other than that you can be completely offline as the apps still download locally to your hard drive.
    Post edited by Lissa_xyz on
  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 6,288
    edited December 1969

    Given that the announcement was made at PhotoshopWorld, it's not impossible that this was an offer somewhat tied to NAPP membership, but it didn't come out and *say* so.

    However, things like subscription offers always seem to shift with the wind, so while I suspect it's safe to say that the Photoshop/Lightroom subscription will always be lower than the full Creative Cloud subscription (probably even at student rate) anything beyond that is probably subject to change once Adobe thinks they can get away with it.

    I'm not enthusiastic about subscription vs. perpetual licensing myself. But I can see that it makes all kinds of sense for anyone who uses the software in a business setting, and Adobe is almost as ubiquitous in the business market as Microsoft.

  • Lissa_xyzLissa_xyz Posts: 6,116
    edited February 2014

    http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/buying-guide.html

    My red highlight.

    I did find in tiny lettering at the bottom though, "Looking for CS6? You can still buy it here".
    http://www.adobe.com/products/catalog/cs6._sl_id-contentfilter_sl_catalog_sl_software_sl_creativesuite6.html

    photoshopcc_offer.jpg
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    Post edited by Lissa_xyz on
  • Sal UKSal UK Posts: 432
    edited December 1969

    Will this work with Photoshop Bridge for DS?

    Thanks

    Steve.

  • Lissa_xyzLissa_xyz Posts: 6,116
    edited December 1969

    Photoshop CC does not work with the bridge. A few people have tried and failed. Seems the latest it will work with is CS6.

  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 6,288
    edited February 2014

    Which any Cloud subscriber can download as well. I think the justification for keeping it around is that clients may not have CC subscriptions, but may have older licenses.

    CS6 also runs on Snow Leopard, which CC doesn't. Not that that's a consideration for very many users.

    Post edited by JOdel on
  • Sal UKSal UK Posts: 432
    edited December 1969

    Vaskania said:
    Photoshop CC does not work with the bridge. A few people have tried and failed. Seems the latest it will work with is CS6.

    ok Thanks for the quick reply.. :) I was just downloading the 30 day trial to see if it would work but now I dont have to.. :) TYVM

    Steve.

  • XoechZXoechZ Posts: 1,102
    edited December 1969

    Vaskania said:

    There are things that Photoshop can do that I can't do in Gimp (or things that take a longer process), or things that would require multiple apps to achieve that can be done in just Photoshop.

    The non-destructive editing in PS is also a plus (ie my cropped pixels aren't deleted, but rather hidden- things like that).

    I also use it though because I do digital photography and can do more with PS than I can in Lightroom. It's more of a one-stop-shop for me (no pun intended lol).

    There is more than Photoshop and Gimp :-)

    Some time ago I tried this one: http://www.corel.com/corel/product/index.jsp?pid=prod5100069 bought it and never looked back. There is no one thing I miss and the filters are great - for postworking and also photo editing. You can even import Photoshop brushes!

    For serious painting this one is unbeatable: http://www.corel.com/corel/product/index.jsp?pid=prod5090087
    Not the ceapest, but the best software for painting. The fog in this image: http://www.daz3d.com/gallery/#images/19840/ I painted with Painter and it was done in less than 5 minutes :-)

    I know that many people hate Corel products, but I love them. Great value for money.

  • Lissa_xyzLissa_xyz Posts: 6,116
    edited February 2014

    As I said.. multiple apps to do the same jobs I can do with a single app in Photoshop.

    Plus, when I invested in Photoshop, it was during a buy one get one free deal. I bought CS5 Extended, and got CS6 Extended for free.

    Post edited by Lissa_xyz on
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