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Is PNY a good brand of blower-style GPU's?

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  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805
    nicstt said:
    Dave230 said:
    mclaugh said:

    Uh ... the GPUs all come from the same maker. No necessary reason the rest of the components (or the performance) are the same.

    It's a $700 chip.  It makes no sense to use cheap components to sell a board with an expensive GPU.

    Marketting and cost-cutting ignore sense. (I'm saying that is what is happening here.)

    For the real bottom of the barrel it is sometimes that but quite frequently the low cost cards use a less expensive cooler, knowing that GPU Boost 3 lowers frequency with every degree of temp, so the buyer gets the base clock on the card, which is mroe than enough for most users, while paying $50 to $100 less. Plus there are GPU chips that fail binning for the top tier. They can't, for instance, sustain even the mildest OC but still work. Put them on a low end card and the odds are no buyer even notices.

  • mwasielewski1990mwasielewski1990 Posts: 343
    kenshaw011267 said:
    nicstt said:
    Dave230 said:
    mclaugh said:

    Uh ... the GPUs all come from the same maker. No necessary reason the rest of the components (or the performance) are the same.

    It's a $700 chip.  It makes no sense to use cheap components to sell a board with an expensive GPU.

    Marketting and cost-cutting ignore sense. (I'm saying that is what is happening here.)

    For the real bottom of the barrel it is sometimes that but quite frequently the low cost cards use a less expensive cooler, knowing that GPU Boost 3 lowers frequency with every degree of temp, so the buyer gets the base clock on the card, which is mroe than enough for most users, while paying $50 to $100 less. Plus there are GPU chips that fail binning for the top tier. They can't, for instance, sustain even the mildest OC but still work. Put them on a low end card and the odds are no buyer even notices.

    That's true, but you can still win the sillicon lottery even with the most basic/cheapest version. The Gigabyte 1080ti blower I have was the absolutely cheapest one I could find, and it runs stable @1860mhz just from the nvidia boost, without any manual OC. But even if you end up with almost-reference clock chip... is it really THAT bad for such a beast as 2080ti?

    Also a question to @TheMysteryIsThePoint , how's the warranty for these 2080ti's? Can you purchase an extended warranty period off of Gigabyte directly?

  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805
    mwasielewski1990 said:
    kenshaw011267 said:
    nicstt said:
    Dave230 said:
    mclaugh said:

    Uh ... the GPUs all come from the same maker. No necessary reason the rest of the components (or the performance) are the same.

    It's a $700 chip.  It makes no sense to use cheap components to sell a board with an expensive GPU.

    Marketting and cost-cutting ignore sense. (I'm saying that is what is happening here.)

    For the real bottom of the barrel it is sometimes that but quite frequently the low cost cards use a less expensive cooler, knowing that GPU Boost 3 lowers frequency with every degree of temp, so the buyer gets the base clock on the card, which is mroe than enough for most users, while paying $50 to $100 less. Plus there are GPU chips that fail binning for the top tier. They can't, for instance, sustain even the mildest OC but still work. Put them on a low end card and the odds are no buyer even notices.

    That's true, but you can still win the sillicon lottery even with the most basic/cheapest version. The Gigabyte 1080ti blower I have was the absolutely cheapest one I could find, and it runs stable @1860mhz just from the nvidia boost, without any manual OC. But even if you end up with almost-reference clock chip... is it really THAT bad for such a beast as 2080ti?

    Also a question to @TheMysteryIsThePoint , how's the warranty for these 2080ti's? Can you purchase an extended warranty period off of Gigabyte directly?

    You do have to be careful with the very cheapest cards. Check reviews at Newegg and avoid the ones that are cheap because the manufacturer cut all the wrong corners.

    Unless Gigabyte just changed policy they have 3 years warranty on everything they sell.

  • TheMysteryIsThePointTheMysteryIsThePoint Posts: 3,012
    mwasielewski1990 said:
    kenshaw011267 said:
    nicstt said:
    Dave230 said:
    mclaugh said:

    Uh ... the GPUs all come from the same maker. No necessary reason the rest of the components (or the performance) are the same.

    It's a $700 chip.  It makes no sense to use cheap components to sell a board with an expensive GPU.

    Marketting and cost-cutting ignore sense. (I'm saying that is what is happening here.)

    For the real bottom of the barrel it is sometimes that but quite frequently the low cost cards use a less expensive cooler, knowing that GPU Boost 3 lowers frequency with every degree of temp, so the buyer gets the base clock on the card, which is mroe than enough for most users, while paying $50 to $100 less. Plus there are GPU chips that fail binning for the top tier. They can't, for instance, sustain even the mildest OC but still work. Put them on a low end card and the odds are no buyer even notices.

    That's true, but you can still win the sillicon lottery even with the most basic/cheapest version. The Gigabyte 1080ti blower I have was the absolutely cheapest one I could find, and it runs stable @1860mhz just from the nvidia boost, without any manual OC. But even if you end up with almost-reference clock chip... is it really THAT bad for such a beast as 2080ti?

    Also a question to @TheMysteryIsThePoint , how's the warranty for these 2080ti's? Can you purchase an extended warranty period off of Gigabyte directly?

    I don't know, I bought the ones offered by Amazon at checkout time. The terms seemed reasonable. It was a third party, though.
    mwasielewski1990 said:
    kenshaw011267 said:
    nicstt said:
    Dave230 said:
    mclaugh said:

    Uh ... the GPUs all come from the same maker. No necessary reason the rest of the components (or the performance) are the same.

    It's a $700 chip.  It makes no sense to use cheap components to sell a board with an expensive GPU.

    Marketting and cost-cutting ignore sense. (I'm saying that is what is happening here.)

    For the real bottom of the barrel it is sometimes that but quite frequently the low cost cards use a less expensive cooler, knowing that GPU Boost 3 lowers frequency with every degree of temp, so the buyer gets the base clock on the card, which is mroe than enough for most users, while paying $50 to $100 less. Plus there are GPU chips that fail binning for the top tier. They can't, for instance, sustain even the mildest OC but still work. Put them on a low end card and the odds are no buyer even notices.

    That's true, but you can still win the sillicon lottery even with the most basic/cheapest version. The Gigabyte 1080ti blower I have was the absolutely cheapest one I could find, and it runs stable @1860mhz just from the nvidia boost, without any manual OC. But even if you end up with almost-reference clock chip... is it really THAT bad for such a beast as 2080ti?

    Also a question to @TheMysteryIsThePoint , how's the warranty for these 2080ti's? Can you purchase an extended warranty period off of Gigabyte directly?

    I'm not even sure what the manufacturer, vendor, or Amazon's warranty is. Amazon offered a 2 year extended warranty at checkout, so I just got that.
  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805

    The card has the manufacturers name on it. There was a warranty card in the box as well. It should explain the terms and length of the warranty. You can also check the manufacturerswebsite. They all have a tech support page.

  • TheMysteryIsThePointTheMysteryIsThePoint Posts: 3,012
    kenshaw011267 said:

    The card has the manufacturers name on it. There was a warranty card in the box as well. It should explain the terms and length of the warranty. You can also check the manufacturerswebsite. They all have a tech support page.

    What has been your experience with failure rates? I got the extended warranty just because of the sheer amount I was dropping, not anything rational. I, personally, have never had a GPU fail, but I've also never stressed any like I do these days.

  • TheMysteryIsThePointTheMysteryIsThePoint Posts: 3,012
    kenshaw011267 said:
     

    Unless Gigabyte just changed policy they have 3 years warranty on everything they sell.

    Ah, I was unaware. I believe the extended warranties are really selling you speed and convenience of getting a replacement. Either that or it's a complete fraud because the extended warranty I got was certainly less time than 3 years...

  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805
    TheMysteryIsThePoint said:
    kenshaw011267 said:
     

    Unless Gigabyte just changed policy they have 3 years warranty on everything they sell.

    Ah, I was unaware. I believe the extended warranties are really selling you speed and convenience of getting a replacement. Either that or it's a complete fraud because the extended warranty I got was certainly less time than 3 years...

    Extended warrantiesd are generally accepted as being frauds.

    Graphic cards don't fail that much. I bought my 1080ti the day they came out, March 2017, have rendered and gamed on it pretty much every day since. I've had no issues. There are plenty of folks here who have 700 and 900 series GPU's that still work great.

    At my job we have a lot of Quadros and Teslas but most are from the Pascal microarchietecture (2017 release) so we've had very few failures, I'm not at work so can't check my spreadsheet but IIRC we've had at most 3 Pascal cards fail in that 3 year span with nearly 200 installed.

  • TheMysteryIsThePointTheMysteryIsThePoint Posts: 3,012
    kenshaw011267 said:
    TheMysteryIsThePoint said:
    kenshaw011267 said:
     

    Unless Gigabyte just changed policy they have 3 years warranty on everything they sell.

    Ah, I was unaware. I believe the extended warranties are really selling you speed and convenience of getting a replacement. Either that or it's a complete fraud because the extended warranty I got was certainly less time than 3 years...

    Extended warrantiesd are generally accepted as being frauds.

    Graphic cards don't fail that much. I bought my 1080ti the day they came out, March 2017, have rendered and gamed on it pretty much every day since. I've had no issues. There are plenty of folks here who have 700 and 900 series GPU's that still work great.

    At my job we have a lot of Quadros and Teslas but most are from the Pascal microarchietecture (2017 release) so we've had very few failures, I'm not at work so can't check my spreadsheet but IIRC we've had at most 3 Pascal cards fail in that 3 year span with nearly 200 installed.

    OK, thanks, live and learn, I guess...

    But is there any reason to believe that consumer grade cards will fail at a higher rate than the Quadros? Aren't those kind of billed as being more reliable or something like that? You're probably the only guy here with that kind of data.

  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805
    TheMysteryIsThePoint said:
    kenshaw011267 said:
    TheMysteryIsThePoint said:
    kenshaw011267 said:
     

    Unless Gigabyte just changed policy they have 3 years warranty on everything they sell.

    Ah, I was unaware. I believe the extended warranties are really selling you speed and convenience of getting a replacement. Either that or it's a complete fraud because the extended warranty I got was certainly less time than 3 years...

    Extended warrantiesd are generally accepted as being frauds.

    Graphic cards don't fail that much. I bought my 1080ti the day they came out, March 2017, have rendered and gamed on it pretty much every day since. I've had no issues. There are plenty of folks here who have 700 and 900 series GPU's that still work great.

    At my job we have a lot of Quadros and Teslas but most are from the Pascal microarchietecture (2017 release) so we've had very few failures, I'm not at work so can't check my spreadsheet but IIRC we've had at most 3 Pascal cards fail in that 3 year span with nearly 200 installed.

    OK, thanks, live and learn, I guess...

    But is there any reason to believe that consumer grade cards will fail at a higher rate than the Quadros? Aren't those kind of billed as being more reliable or something like that? You're probably the only guy here with that kind of data.

    Quadros are undrevolted compared to consumer cards. That means they run slower and cooler. In theory that should lead to longer lifespans but even consumer cards can be reasonably expected to last longer than 3 years, the manufacturers do not put warranties on things that mean they'll get lots of returns due to the card just being worn out.

  • TheMysteryIsThePointTheMysteryIsThePoint Posts: 3,012
    kenshaw011267 said:

    Quadros are undrevolted compared to consumer cards. That means they run slower and cooler. In theory that should lead to longer lifespans but even consumer cards can be reasonably expected to last longer than 3 years, the manufacturers do not put warranties on things that mean they'll get lots of returns due to the card just being worn out.

    Thanks, that was my only concern.

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