Annoying accidental re-parenting problem.
chris37
Posts: 17
I have seen endless complaints regarding this problem. just clicking on any item listed in the scene tab automatically performs an unwanted change of parenting. Can a script be writtten to disable any and all parenting via mouse clicks within that tab, because it is causing just a massive waste of time while I have to constantly watch as a simple act of selecting an item in the scene tab automatically reparents the item. Also simply clicking on ONE item usually selects ten or twenty other items? and then god forbid, reparents all twenty items sometimes. This problem has been written about endlessly, if no solution is possible to this very well known mouse problem, (of the cursor jumping and selecting things that you do not want to select) can there not be a simple DISABLE PARENTING function so that no more parenting is even possible within the scene tab until such time as parenting is again enabled? I have selected "Best" in display optimization preferences which has helped some with the jumpy cursor problem in the viewport but the accidental re-parenting problem still is persisting.
Thanks in Advance
Christina
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That sounds like some kind of stickiness in mouse clicks, so it sees the click as the end of a drag-and-drop action. What mouse are you using, and does it have special drivers? I do, very occasionally, get the range selection issue when clicking in the Scene pane, usuallt when it's two clicks close together so it may be a less obvious lag in state change for me too.
I haven't seen any complaints about this "problem". I also don't see it when I click items in the Scene pane.
The complaint is about ghost mouse-clicking and mouse-repositioning, and it is mentioned in MANY posts. I know, because I made a few of them, over the years. I explicitly remember one that led to drag-droping of scene-selected items, which I had not done. It was actually tree-collapsing, dropping, then re-expanding the tree-view, fast.
Though, I have not noticed this since version 4.9, in the early releases. (The mouse was constantly jumping out of the program, moving to my desktop, then reselecting my desktop icons. Which resulted, many times, in all my selected desktop icons either duplicating themselves with a ghost drag-drop, or Daz trying to eat and OPEN all the icons as it thought I was drag-dropping them into a scene. Or, it would try to launch all icons, thinking that I clicked on them all to OPEN.) It would also make many thigns hyper-spin, using the multi-tool or rotation cube. This was due to the fact that I was working with Daz in a window, on a 4K screen, with Daz on the lower half of the screen, as well as Daz's mouse-issue, at the time.
Other times, this has happened when my mouse button was simply going-out, and on a death-bed. Mice don't last forever. When a mouse button goes bad, it will seem to send ghost clicks, or double-clicks or hyper-click on single-clicks. The contacts get broken or dirty, creating multiple on/off/on connections, with one single press.
Check to see if your mouse is on the way out, first... Try another mouse, or just try swapping left/right buttons for a while. Normally the left mouse button dies first. (Because I have not seen the odd mouse-movement in Daz lately. Often seen, when it happens, as you try to rotate things with the 3D cube tool, or try to use one of the quick buttons in the view. If it is happening, the mouse always jumps to the same spot on your screen, something like screen position 640left and 480top.)
If it isn't your mouse button... I would double-check your mouse software, if you have any. (Most mice work with the standard windows drivers and don't need software to "run". Some require specific drivers to "run as expected", not just "run okay".) The software drivers, from most places, is normally just "extras", which can actually interfere with mouse-clicks. (Especially if it has software-specific special functions and it can't tell which "window" you are in.) If you use specific drivers, make sure your mouse drivers are up to date. Odd things happen when windows updates and some core hardware drivers do not. Windows changes standards all the time. Most hardware drivers do not actively seek-out newer drivers, nor will windows attempt to check for specific hardware drivers for you. They purposely exclude those from updates. It may tell you, but you have to update them manually, from the updates page as "other drivers", if it even looks for them.
If the problem still persists, and you can't get a new mouse, or you believe your mouse is "fine"... There is a nice little program that simply adds a forced minimum double-click interrupt, undetectable to humans, but it stops almost all hardware and software drop-outs and double-clicks. It's more common of an issue than most think it is. Normally, buying a new mouse fixes the issue, even if that wasn't the issue. (Because, well, new mouse plus new drivers plus new hardware and registry entries. Other times, it doesn't...)
If you search for "MouseFix.exe", and look for the one related to "double-clicks", not the one related to "optical mice precision" or "optical mice acceleration". You will have what you need. It does not say Win-10, but it does work with Win-10 (32 and 64 bit).
Thank you for the responses. I am using a mac "magic mouse" I shall aquire a different type or a hard wired one specifically for daz and try again. (I have two different magic mice and they both do this wacky re-parenting when I do not want it)
Sorry...
One other thing to consider too. We have a memory-mode that can sort-of interfere with adapting to changes. Sometimes, when mice are 100% new, that point where we stop pressing down is just after the click, and we expect it to sustain the HOLD, until we hear it click again, as it rises. However, the click is not actually related to the actual contact. There could be a chance that you are just hovering at that click-level, and not sustaining enough pressure to actually hold the contact of the switch closed. The click is simply from a seperate tension-spring-leaf, because people don't like quiet buttons. The actual contact is a rubberized micro-contact-pad or a quiet slide-contact, which has little noise or movement, so it lasts longer. Clicky things break faster than quiet sliding things and silent rubber things. That is why people hate quiet rubber keyboards that don't click when you type, but they last almost forever... In a closet, in a box, unused. :P
Do you have a trackpad too? I am seeing a lot of issues with double-clicks related to "Magic mice" and "trackpads", used in combination. The issue is often the trackpad. (Also a common issue with laptops, as most have trackpads. When they fail, they have that same ghost-clicking, just from heat expansion or sounds, as the trackpad sensors are sooo sensitive.)
I see it is wireless... More odd things to check...
Are you too far away from the wireless sensor? (Sometimes people put the sensor on the back of the computer, it needs to be in the front, unobstructed from RF noise and metal of the internal computer components.)
Do you have any CFL lights? (Not LED, but the older spiral lights. They can emit an RF signal that interferes with the RF signal of many computer devices. When the bulbs are about to die, they get worse. Just move those lights away from the computer, if you can. Or try replacing the bulb with a new bulb or a LED bulb, or an older filament bulb which is dead-quiet in the RF world. The internal gain control and noise filters in the wireless sensor can't keep up with the noise as they get older.)
Do you have a WiFi device, router or modem close by your computer? (Same issue with similar wireless devices. The frequency may not be the same, but noise is noise, on all frequencies. They all emit noise. Best to have each wireless device that can be further, be further away from more critical devices that you NEED to function flawlessly.)
All those can make the mouse signals drop, or force it to "repeat" a lost signal. Leading to some of the same issues. A growing problem as everything is now broadcasting WiFi and Bluetooth and custom wireless signals, in an already polluted RF flooded world. (Cancer is on the rise, gee, why? lol.)
Does UNDO restore the parenting issue? Not sure what keys you use on a Mac. However, I know that Daz is real selective with the things it can actually undo, not undoing many things that you would expect it to undo, and instead, undoing something else that you didn't want it to undo, which it won't redo, at times, when it is the wrong thing that got undone.
I have this exact same issue with my Mac (and the Mac before). Sometimes you can't get it to stop hilighting. Sometimes you have to even click out of the program...or I find things drug into other objects. It's so random and weird. I am of the opinin that there's something bugged in the tree view control that Daz is using (meaning, I don't think it's Daz, i think it's the control itself.) I have no evidence other than a strong persoanl suspicion.
My only solution is to simply be a lot more purposeful in my use of the Scene control. I don't go in there unless I have to and only then with the MM and not the Trackpad.
It is enormously frustrating.