A.N.T.S Armored Nano Tech Suit for Genesis 8 Female
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Beautiful. The arms and such are a little out there for my purposes, but it was good of you to make them an option with a workable alternative. Thank you.
My finger was hovering on the trigger to buy it when I saw the high heels.
Sorry. No.
Gawd, it's beautiful, though... :(
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at least they are wedges not stillettos
could be for propulsion launching purposes
True this! But man.... no more flippin' heels!
I agree... at least give an option...it is an armoured suit! No engineer would add heels to it.. ever. It's like... giving a tank heels. Or a plane. Stop it! :)
* I included a seperate field for platforms, as it's fairly debatable whether those would qualify as heeled shoes or not, but some people like to whine about them being unrealistic or whatever anyway.
** The Panther Outfit for Genesis 8 Female(s) itself isn't tagged as sci-fi, but the texture set for it explicitly is, which is why it was counted.
Uhmmm, you're complaining about THAT? Sorry to burst your bubble, but there are gladly still some designers catering to the clientele that happens to LIKE the aesthetic of high heeled outfits in sci-fi, instead of only to your personal needs. Though in my opinion, there's plenty room for a lot more sci-fi outfits with high heels. Maybe you should just learn to do what I had to learn ages ago already: combine outfits, take some shoes I like from a different outfit when I don't like the ones from the outfit I'm currently using.
Even less choice in heeled shoes would be a grave loss to creativity. Creativity is all about combining new things. By demanding even less heeled shoes than that, you are demanding to diminish creativity itself.
The heels on this sold it for me. they are feminine, yet fit the style of armour perfectly. Honestly, if they had been flat footed/non feminine, I might not have bought it.
Moved to Art Studio as it is a comment on an exsting product, not a Product Suggestion
You actually took the time to make a spreadsheet about all that? Don't get me wrong - it sounds very much like something I'd do.
In all your condescension though, you seem to be missing the point. It has nothing to do with how many outfits have high heels, and nothing to do with how many sci-fi outfits have high heels. You know how many of my pairs of combat boots had high heels when I was in the army...? If you guess that one right, do you know why none of my combat boots had high heels?
Because high heels on combat gear is about the "aesthetic", it's about getting you killed because you're either squirming around on the ground (or squirming gracefully through the air (or lack thereof) in zero G, I suppose) because both your freekin'' ankles are broken, or you're hobbling along slowly enough that you're an easy target.
It's a passionately written statement, and all, but that "dminishing creativity itself" BS is BS. The artist included a way to leave off the bits of the arms that might be too crazy for some artists, it would have diminished absolutely nobody's creativity to also include a version with more realistic, serious heels.
I didn't say anything about nobody can have high heels, I didn't say anything about no science fiction outfits can have high heels. I said I'm not buying freekin combat armour with no option to strip off high heels.
And, just as one more note... How about "No."...? I've been doing that with Poser / Studio assets for about seventeen, eighteen years now, and I'm kinda done with it. How about this, instead: I have thousands of assets already, so, unless there's something so gawdawesome perfect about an outfit that absolutely should not have high-stupid-heels, and thre's a very specific job I just have to have it for (and can bill it to) and the commission just doesn't allow for me to model an asset that will do the job myself for the same time/value, I just don't buy any more outfits with no option for realistic heels, how about that?
Sometimes a commission won't pay for hours of modeling - that's fine. The cover I'm working on right now is kitbashed from four suits of armor, with boots (and other bits) taken from male sets. So be it. But I don't have to reward anyone else making me do the extra work. I can buy every set with either realistic heels or an option, and not buy any more sets without. That'll work fine, for me. I won't suggest they don't get made, I won't suggest anyone else use the same purchasing strategy I do, but there's just no reason for me to buy any more sets / outfits with shoes that are ridiculous for the outfit's obvious or stated purpose.
And to clarify / reiterate from above, again, I'm not suggesting your fetish shouldn't be serviced at all. High heels sell, so it's obvious the option should be included whenever the artist feels inclined to include it. But adding an option for realistic heels is neither "less choice" nor a "grave loss" to anyone or anything.
And you actually typed that all, with a straight face, and thought it made a good point? It won't hurt anyone else to kitbash more realistic shoes onto outfits where high heels are ridiculous, but it would be a "grave loss" to your creativity to have to kitbash high heels onto an outfit that didn't come pre-configured as a Penthouse cartoon?
Seriously?
That's excellent. I'm glad it works for you - it's beautifully made.
I just don't do much farce comedy or slapstick or cartoony stuff in my professional or personal art. (or sexist stuff, if we're pretending that "functional" is semantically equal to "non-feminine" - not that I have any interest in a fight or debate about sexism, but the suggestion that something can't be functional without diminishing the femininity of it's user is, by defintion, sexism.)
That's it! That's where the mini-thrusters are housed! :)
This.
Heck, I don't mind if they want to leave in an option for high heels... It's silly, but if it'll make the difference in a sale, and they want to include it, sure. Likewise, if they don't feel it's worth their time to include a normal boot with the outfit, as an option, or even if they just don't want to make a not-high-heels version - that's fine - it is and should be their call.
But, I don't have to buy it... And if I want products I want to buy to show up in the marketplace, I should tell them that.
If I told a chevy dealer that I'd buy that new Corvette if it came in some other color besides red, I think the chances are pretty low that someone is going to happen by and tell me how terrible I am for "whining about" red cars, and why don't I just learn to buy a few cans of spraypaint and spraypaint the color I want on the car - even though the finish will suck and it won't look right - instead of trying to limit everyone's creativity by making them live in a world where people aren't forced to drive red cars.
I'm not even saying every outfit should come with the option for decent shoes - just, it'd be nice if outfits where high heels would be silly at least had the option for normal heels.
(ok, I'll say it - every outfit should come with the option for decent shoes - in a perfect world, anyway - but, in a perfect world, no artist should be forced to include an option for decent heels, either, so, there's a natural impasse there.)
My apologies for sounding condencing, it's just that.. The heels argument has re-appeared a few dozen times already, so yes, I was a bit annoyed by that and figured I'd assemble a little list of facts ????
Yet, I do somewhat agree that often the heels/no heels distribution is odd, to say the least..
Outfits and suits that you'd expect to have heels turn out to have some sort of slippers, while outfits that seem quite bulky (like the A.N.T.S. suit here) get the most elegant heels one could imagine as a finishing touch.
And ofcourse there's all the stuff inbetween all that. Now, I quite like the wedges on this A.N.T.S. suit, I've definitely seen weirder designs that are less my thing, but I also do get that some people would've expected some sturdier boots with that armored frame instead.
tinfoil/ I guess it's a secret conspiracy between several PA's, to exchange shoe designs with eachother, forcing us to buy both sets to get something sensible. /tinfoil
Thanks, and no worries. My apologies, as well - I know it's got to get old for people who want heels on everything, or want not-heels on everything, or even just don't care and don't want to hear it yet again.
It's just that, from the point of view of someone who sells art, I'd want to know if some buyers weren't buying because of some small feature I could have easily added, and, as someone who buys stock, I feel it's always best to let the sources you buy from know what you want.
In this case, it's not just that it's "bulky" - it's that it's combat armor! :) You wear high heels in combat armor, and you're probably going to get killed. And probably not even by an enemy round - probably by some NCO whose job it is to make sure you don't do anything profanely stupid that endangers yourself and others in your unit. :)
Not every illustration is serious - some are humorous or silly or cheesecake, and maybe the juxtaposition of high heels with bad-ass combat armor works really well in those... But some illustrations are intended to be more serious, and the addition of boots that won't get you killed would be nice for those times. I give one of my clients an illustration of their bad-ass heroine in combat armor with high heels, and I'm going to need combat armor. Preferably without high heels. ;) So, any stock I know I'm going to have to do X hours worth of work to "fix" before I can use it is, obviously, of less value to me, and goes toward defeating the purpose of saving time by using stock to begin with.