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Thank you @Saphirewild and @Chohole!
The actual (first) question is, are purchased/paid-for Head or Body Morph packages for Genesis, Genesis 2, Genesis 3 and Genesis 8 like the Genesis Evolution: Head Morphs and Genesis Evolution: Body Morphs or the Genesis 8 Male Head Morphs and Genesis 8 Male Body Morphs, which are all additional to the Head and Body Morphs that come with the base figures, No-Count or Purchased/Paid-For items? And why? :)
Second question, do the Victoria 4.2 and Michael 4 Creature Creator Morphs fall under 'similar' (Morphs++ and similar) and therefor are No-Count items?
I asked her once again and this is her answer:
Chohole6:44AM
our old rules said
Base figures (All Gen 2, 3, 4 and Genesis1 and 2) don’t count as a purchased item or a freebie and may be used as needed.
Morphs will count toward a purchased item.
The rules as of jan 2017 rule 3 says:
This was a heavily requested rules change because these morphs are basically required to really get much use out of the base figures, and they are often required for many paid for or even freebie character packages to work.
According to rule 3, at least some morphs are no counts rather than purchased, which is where the current confusion lies:
Shapes++ is mentioned specifically, as well as "general morph packs".
My understanding is that following items count as "general morph packs" and are no counts:
M4 Shapes++, V4 Shapes++
Genesis Evolution Body, Genesis Evolution Head
G2M Body, G2M Head, G2F Body, G2F Head
G3M Body, G3M Head, G3F Body, G3F Head
G8M Body, G8M Head, G8F Body, G8F Head
(I'm not familiar with pre Gen4 products)
Let me know if I got it wrong. Sorry for the hassle!
Thanks. "Morphs will count toward a purchased item." means that the Genesis Evolution: Head Morphs and Genesis Evolution: Body Morphs or the Genesis 8 Male Head Morphs and Genesis 8 Male Body Morphs as well as the Victoria 4.2 and Michael 4 Creature Creator Morphs are Purchased/Paid-For items. But...
Rule 3 says that "their general morphs packs (Morphs++ and similar)" are No-Count items. What is meant by "similar"? And by "their general morphs packs"?
Tramp Graphics "...they are often required for many paid for or even freebie character packages to work."
There are plenty of freebie character packages that don't need those (purchased/paid-for) morphs. And if you use a purchased/paid-for character package that requires these (purchased/paid-for) morphs than those morphs should be listed as Purchased/Paid-For as well and not as No-Count items! (In my humble opinion that is, but I think it does make sense...)
Sorry to be so difficult, but let's try to get this clear for everyone!
@Hylas
What's meant by "similar morph packages" is the Evolution morph packs.Those are the Genesis line (Genesis-Genesis 8) equivalents of the Morphs ++ of the Gen 4 figures. The Evolution morph packs each provide the same basic types of morphs for the various Genesis generations, that the Morphs ++ packages provided for Gen 4 figures (Victoria4, Michael 4, etc). They just used the term "Evolution Morphs" instead of "Morphs ++". Functionally, they're the same thing. Morphs ++, and Evolution morphs are what rule three covers.
Oh, @Saphirewild, any chance you can check out my second entry?
Thank you for your (partly superfluous) explanation Tramp Graphics.
Do you agree on all this @Saphirewild ?
Sir Smuggley Smuggins: "Personally I think that everybody should sit down and have a nice cup of tea while I look up the answer in the Book Of All Knowledge..."*
*If you're wondering "What?!" then have a look here. But if you're not, then don't.
P.S. Here's a list of the first few morphs from V4 Shapes++ (I think?):
Peronally, if the Genesis 1, 3, and 8 head and body morphs that Hylas linked to aren't considered 'similar' to these, then I think the dictionary definition of 'similar' needs changing*.
Sir Smuggley Smuggins: "Cheapskate ! Who invited you here, you ugly troll ! I said 'sit down and have a nice cup of tea', not 'come in all you ugly trolls'. And how many times have I told you, you need to leave the tea to brew. You don't stir..."
*I wonder if that can be done seemlessly...
Sir Smuggley Smuggins: "Ah, here it is, on page eleventy-twelve-and-a-fifth: 'In order to use Genesis Evolution Body, Genesis Evolution Head, G2M Body, G2M Head, G2F Body, G2F Head, G3M Body, G3M Head, G3F Body, G3F Head, G8M Body, G8M Head, G8F Body, and/or G8F Head Morphs as No Counts you have to make a saving throw against your Intelligence or Wisdom, whichever is the greater'. Would anybody like a biscuit with their tea ?"
My entry
Twitterpated
Ah, young love!
Free:
Forest - https://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/forest/71340
Clearing in the Forest HDRI - https://www.deviantart.com/namtaar/art/Clearing-in-the-Forest-HDRI-811821241
Precious Deer Skins (Whitetail) - https://sharecg.com/v/91396/view/21/DAZ-Studio/Precious-Deer-Skins
Toon Cattail Prop - https://sharecg.com/v/26267/favorite/11/Poser/Toon-Cattail-Prop
Faeriedreams Strawberry Plant - http://www.mada3d.com/Freebies1.html (1st row from bottom)
Faeriedreams Flower Wreath - http://www.mada3d.com/Freebies1.html (4th row from bottom)
Plant Pack 2 - https://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/plant-pack-2/69770
Paid:
Precious Deer - https://www.daz3d.com/precious-deer
Lovely Precious Vol 02 Unicorn (Poses) - https://www.daz3d.com/lovely-precious-vol-02-unicorn
IBLM Master for Daz Studio - https://www.daz3d.com/ibl-master-for-daz-studio
Forest Prince Clothing (Antlers) - https://www.daz3d.com/forest-prince-clothing
I tweaked some materials, lights and the poses. All done within Daz Studio 3Delight. No post work except for the watermark.
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I am so sorry Tramp Graphics to be so late in getting this approved but I was dealing with the question of the morphs.
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I am sorry for being so late in approving your entry @Hylas!
As for the matter of the morphs I contacted DAZ_ann0314 about the matter and I do hope she will be by to answer this question.
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No problem at all! I'll move my entry once the morph discussion is resolved. Thanks for your effort!
Rule three specifically says
Morphs ++ are the general Morphs packs for V4,M4, and other Generation 4 figures. The Genesis Evolution Head and Body Morphs packs are the general morph packs for Genesis, and the general morphs packs for later figures are just called the "Head and Body Morphs" for each respective figure (Genesis 2 M/F, Genesis3 M/F, Genesis 8 M/F). Each set of morphs packs (Morphs ++, Genesis Evolution Head and Body, Genesis 2 M/F Head and Body, Genesis3 M/F Head and Body, Genesis 8 M/F Head and Body) are the respective "general morph packs" for that figure.
I was personally involved in the original discussion that resulted in that rules change. In fact, it was one of my specfic suggestions to the new rules. The other being an increase in the maximum Paid-for items from 3 to 5.
I think this solves the issue of Morphs, don't you all think?
This is also my interpretation of rule 3.
I'll continue to run with it then, barring word from "above" saying otherwise.
Why? Why would you want that? So that everybody can show off their purchased/paid-for stuff? It is a 3D Art Freebie Challenge! Oh well...
Yep. Why didn't you say that right away? (What Tramp Graphics said.)
I think it is a good thing that this has now been said so clearly.
No, because, as I said, the general morph packages are pretty much essential for being able to make full use of the figures and really be able to customize their shapes.
As for why I wanted the Paid for items increased was because, particularly when dealing with multiple characters, particularly ones with very specific "signature looks" that require certain content, such as the ones I use, There isn't always a freebie substitute for a given piece of needed content, particularly when talking about specific styles of hair, characters and skin textures of different ethnic groups (particularly Asian), or certain types of clothing. All but one of my female characters requires a paid for hair. One of my male and one of my female characters each characters requires a particular paid for character package for their shape, and/or textures, and one of my cfemale characters requires a particular set of clothes for her "signature look" that are not available as freebies, neither is another one of the outfits I often dress her in. Also, the male in question, when dressed in his "signature costume", requires a specific paid for outift as part of that costume (the rest of it being custom made). In fact, every one of my various characters requires at least one piece of paid for content, if not two, and usually not the same ones between them. There were many times I wasn't able to create the scene I wanted, or use all of the characters I wanted because they required too many paid for items to meet the old limt.In fact, it was getting difficult to even use just these two specific characters together because of that limit.
This wa also a problem I was seeing among other participants. People were struggling to keep under the old 3 Paid for Item limit, often having to abandon ideas, or limiting myself to only one character, because it was impossible to meet the limit.
Not only tjhat, but there are a lot of freebies out there which are dependent upon a given paid for item, such as freebie texture sets for Paid for hair and clothing.
So, no, it wasn't about wanting to showcase more paid for content. It was wanting to be able to use my characters as they were designed, and together. And it was to allow others to be able to do the same.
I am going to say this and we are going to move on plz and ty
I think it states it very clearly in the rules on what is "No Count" and what is "Paid" items and the powers that be told me that this is my challenge and my rules and Tramp Graphics statement is so true because we had discused this back 3 years ago when I first started my hosting of the freebie challenge also I agreed with Tramp Graphics so I did change that rule.
Thank you Tramp Graphics for helping me out with this subject.
You're welcome @saphirewild.
There is still a whole 2 days to go so get those "Natural Love" renders pouring in!
3D Art Freebie Challenge February 2020 "Natural Love"
"After all the jacks are in their boxes, And the clowns have all gone to bed..." (© 1967 Jimi Hendrix - The Wind Cries Mary)
After loading a fifth character into the scene I could not render it anymore because my computer ran out of memory, so I had to make 2 scenes... (Deleting something from a crowed scene sometimes almost takes forever!) Oh well, here is my entry for this month's 3D Art Freebie Challenge! :D
[Best watched at full size for details.]
"Wishful thinking..." (Food for thought)
Starring: Alysha, Tiana, Barack and Walther
The tale:
Whether you are a wealthy African-American woman, a son of an American aristocratic banker, an Arab oil magnate, an Asian businessman or a poor African orphan girl, (almost) everyone has a natural love of money...
Soundtrack:
Phil Collins - Another Day In Paradise (© 1989) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt2mbGP6vFI
Abba - Money, Money, Money (© 1976) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETxmCCsMoD0
COUNTABLE FREEBIES: (Alphabetic order)
#01! African Summer for Wilmap's Summer Top for G3F by eblank99
http://www.sharecg.com/v/81693/gallery/21/DAZ-Studio/African-Summer **
#02! AfroHead G3M 1 by abe01
https://sharecg.com/v/86164/gallery/21/DAZ-Studio/AfroHead-G3M-1 **
#03! Alysha For G8 by EmotionalDreams
https://sharecg.com/v/94680/browse/21/DAZ-Studio/Alysha-For-G8 **
#04! Arabian Dress (for G3M) by Noone102000
https://www.deviantart.com/noone102000/art/FREEBIE-Arabian-Dress-814819412 **
#05! A Summer Top for Genesis 3 Female by Wilmap's Digital Creations
https://www.wilmapsdigitalcreations.co.uk/view_product.php?id=398 **
#06! Barack for G3M by dumbuser
https://www.sharecg.com/v/88699/gallery/21/DAZ-Studio/Barack-for-G3M **
#07! Burger on Plate by CGAxis
https://free.cgaxis.com/product/3d-burger-plate-free/ *1
#08! Dante DMC5 Free Stubble for Genesis 8 Male by InTheFlesh
https://sharecg.com/v/94752/gallery/21/DAZ-Studio/Dante-DMC5-Free-Stubble-for-Genesis-8-Male **
#09! David 5 Starter Bundle by Daz Originals (DAZ3D Bi-weekly Freebie Feb 17 - Mar 2)
https://www.daz3d.com/david-5-starter-bundle **
[Pure Hair: Punk and Royal Punk outfit used]
#10! Dirty Skin Textures for G3F AND G8F by Noone102000
https://www.deviantart.com/noone102000/art/UPDATE-FREEBIE-Dirty-Skin-Textures-G3F-AND-G8F-801889979 **
#11! DOA 6 Marie Rose - Head and Body Morphs for G8F by TritiumCG
https://www.deviantart.com/tritiumcg/art/DOA-6-Marie-Rose-Head-and-Body-Morphs-for-G8F-825236730 **
#12! EA Sidecut Hair for Genesis 3 & 8 Female(s) by EichhornArt
https://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/ea-sidecut-hait-for-genesis-3-amp-8-femela-s-/82972 **
#13! Eyes Dilate for Genesis 8 Female by felldude
https://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/eyes-dilate-for-genesis-8-female/82869 **
#14! Face Morphs (Older/Younger) for Genesis 8 Female by felldude
https://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/face-morphs-older-younger-for-genesis-8-female/82938 **
#15! Fantasy Amazon Bundle for G8F - 100% FREE by SquarePeg3D
https://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/fantasy-amazon-bundle-for-g8f---100-free/79046 **
#16! Fiberhair Goatee Beard for Genesis 3 Male by RedzStudio
https://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/fiberhair-goatee-beard-for-genesis-3-male/75957 **
#17! freeSPEX Glasses for Genesis by Slosh
https://www.sharecg.com/v/69673/browse/21/DAZ-Studio/freeSPEX-Glasses-for-Genesis-DAZ-4.6
#18! Jewelry Set (G3F & G8F) by Leilana
https://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/jewelry-set/78314 **
#19! Hawaiian Floral Prints Seamless by RedEyeCat
https://redeyecat.wordpress.com/2014/06/07/its-a-tile-lollapalooza/ (First item)
[Used on String Bikini for Victoria 6]
#20! Huge Hoop Earrings for Genesis 3 Female by Fisty
https://sharecg.com/v/87043/gallery/21/DAZ-Studio/Huge-Hoop-Earrings-for-Genesis-3-Female **
#21! iPhone X by klausdbg
https://www.sharecg.com/v/89747/gallery/5/3D-Model/iPhone-X **
#22! Kim for G3M by dumbuser
http://www.sharecg.com/v/88737/related/21/DAZ-Studio/Kim-for-G3M **
#23! Money by Yughues aka Nobiax
http://www.sharecg.com/v/62461/gallery/5/3D-Model/Money **
#24! Mystics Floor & Backplanes by MysticArtDesign
https://sharecg.com/v/94620/browse/21/DAZ-Studio/Mystics-Floor-Backplanes **
#25! Rainbow Sandals for Genesis 8 Female by amyaimei
https://www.deviantart.com/amyaimei/art/Rainbow-Sandals-for-Genesis-8-Female-713258864 **
#26! RE5 Sheva Alomar Head Morph for G8F by TritiumCG
https://www.deviantart.com/tritiumcg/art/RE5-Sheva-Alomar-Head-Morph-for-G8F-822643742 **
#27! RGB HDRi Soft Lights for Daz Studio - Iray by VAlzheimer *1
https://gumroad.com/valzheimer (3rd item)
#28! Side Swept ROse Hair (G3F,G8F) Part 1&2 by zoro_d
https://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/side-swept-rose-hair-g3f-g8f-part-1/79533 **
https://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/side-swept-rose-hair-g3f-g8f-part-2/79534 **
#29! Slave Tunic Dirty and Thorn for G3F and G8F by Noone102000
https://www.deviantart.com/noone102000/art/FREEBIE-Slave-Tunic-Dirty-and-Thorn-G3F-and-G8F-800738388 **
#30! SY 200 Morphs for Genesis 8 Head and Body by SickleYield
https://sharecg.com/v/91888/view/21/DAZ-Studio/SY-200-Morphs-for-Genesis-8-Head-and-Body **
#31! Tiana for G8F by RenderGuyNY
http://www.sharecg.com/v/88548/gallery/21/DAZ-Studio/Tiana-for-G8F-%5Bsome-nudity%5D **
#32! Walking Cane (OBJ Version) by LuxXeon
https://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/walking-cane-obj-version-/73706 **
#33! Walther for G8M by Ruslanomar
https://sharecg.com/v/92848/browse/21/DAZ-Studio/G8M-Walther **
NO-COUNT ITEMS:
--- 3Stone Ring for Genesis 3 Female by AllenArt
--- A Gentleman's Wardrobe for Teen Jayden 6 by Daz Originals, Aave, Nainen (DAZ3D Bi-weekly Freebie Jan 20 - Feb 3)
--- AllenArt Iray Jewelry Shaders by AllenArt (Still available on DeviantArt)
--- Betty Carique for G3F/G8F by hindudreams
--- Bezel Cut Ring for Genesis 3 & 8 Female by AllenArt
--- Briefcase by MikeD (The Holiday Loyalty Sale 2019 Free Item)
--- Casual Outfit for G3M by Tab [Sandals used]
--- CasualOutfit2 for G3M by Tab [Bracelet used]
--- Channel Bangle for Genesis 3 Female by AllenArt
++ DAZ Studio Iray HDR Outdoor Environments by Daz Originals, DimensionTheory [Maui used]
--- Free Iray Outdoor Lights by Dreamlight
--- Gem Bangles for G3F by AllenArt
--- Genesis 2 Male Beard by Laticis Imagery
--- Genesis 2 Male Beard 03 by Laticis Imagery
--- Nose Ring 01 for G2F, G3F and/or G8F by AllenArt
++ Rocker Outfit for G3F and G8F by by Daz Originals, DirtyFairy, Mada [Necklace and Thong used]
--- Sneakers for G3F by Tab
++ String Bikini for Victoria 6 by Daz Originals, Mada, Sarsa
++ Toulouse Hair for Genesis 3 Female by Daz Originals
PURCHASED/PAID FOR ITEMS: None 100% Freebies
*1 E-mail address required
** Registration required
#x! Countable Items (Bold ones are used by me for the first time I think.)
--- No longer available freebies
++ Free with DAZ Studio (or the Essentials)
$x. Purchased/Paid For Item
Rendered with DAZ Studio 4.10.0.123 (nVidia Iray)
Other free software used: GIMP v2.10.14 and Irfanview 4.54
Postwork: used the AltaLux Image Enhancement Filter (Effect) by Stefano Tommesani that comes with Irfanview and some filters (oa) that come with GIMP. Also used mcjDenoise by mcasual. (https://sites.google.com/site/mcasualsdazscripts9/mcjdenoise)
"Wishful thinking..." (Food for thought)
Thought I'd drop in just to see how things were going this month. I had too many real life challenges to enter this month.
@JackyBrown, so true!! I love the render and the message behind it.
Sorry about the out of memory error with the computer... been there! The first time that happened to me, I thought I was being attacked by a virus... yup, was I a noob!
Even now if I just add one extra prop, my poor laptop whines and complains then just pretends I'm not here!
@3dcheapskate, LOL! I had a copy of that book for years... ended up selling it a used bookstore sometime after college!
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I will give you time to move this entry then I will close the contest!