OT: Crew Dragon Liftoff!
Greymom
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SPACE X Crew Dragon liftoff and on the way!!!
Three cheers and prayers of safety for our brave NASA astronauts Robert Behnken and Douglas Hurley!!
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I watched it live, too. Exciting! :)
And, as a "bonus", the main thruster, the Falcon 9, landed intact upon a platform at sea, ready to be reused!
Sincerely,
Bill
Unfortunately, we never get to see it, live, as it actually lands. The picture always cuts out a few seconds before then cuts back in just after the rockets cut off. Conspiracy theorists will be coming out of the woodwork.
The reasons I've heard are: a) that the ionization of the air as the flame nears the floating platform causes radio interference. And/or b) the disruption of the level position of the platform by the force of the approaching rocket causes the tight-beam directed radio/TV signal to lose connection with the receiver located on a nearby ship.
As an engineer, I find those explanations: a) plausible and b) sloppy engineering.
Surely if we can make a rocket find it's way back to the earth and stand upright on a floating barge, we can find a way to keep a radio signal stable in such low frequency disturbances as a rocking barge or though ionized air. Surely a different radio or light signaling method, or even wires are possible? Let's say that the problem is keeping a laser beam connected between the ships. I can understand that a mechanical set of gyroscopes, gymbols and mirrors might be a little slow reacting to the motion of the two ships, but 30 years ago I worked with a guy in a major government think-tank who invented and patented a solid-state crystal optical beam manipulator that would move laser beams nearly instantaneously by the voltage applied to the faces of the crystal, expressly for the purpose of targeting fast randomly moving objects.
Yeah, I know... we get to see the video recordings or photographic films later, but it's not the same as seeing it live.
...missed it but caught the "replay" yes very pleased.
Was up until after 03:00 this morning because or rioting and looting, Portland was one of several cities where the situation got out of hand on Friday.. I live just off the City Centre and some of the activity was only a few blocks away. The city is under a curfew that begins at 22:00 tonight..
Stay safe Kyoto
Wow- please be careful. More reasons to isolate.
That was not a dinosaur, it was a "Deagon"
It makes me proud to be a Human Space-Cabable country once again!
It seems almost a crime that this is the first time astronauts have launched from US soil in a decade. It breaks my heart what has happened to the US space program (or nearly complete lack thereof). We had so much potential for space exploration. Now we're insanely far behind where we should be. Back in 1989 Bush had laid out a spaceflight initiative that would have people on Mars for years now. But we haven't even been back to the moon. Worse, we haven't even left low earth orbit since 1972. It's just mind-boggling and utterly sad.
I really want to celebrate the "liftoff" but considering where we should be and how much time we've lost for no real good reason ...it just feels sad.
I heartily agree!
Truth!!!
Also consider that this is a private corporation that is not representative of the people.
I loved the live stream, and personally I cant wait to see Starship succesfully launch for the first time. It will be like going from a small wooden raft that can sail the undeep waters near shore, to a ship that can sail the high seas!
Watched it live and got to say, that was a fast "get us into space" launch, I don't remeber them being so quick! Cool looking cockpit too.
Not mind boggling if ever full disclosure was presented to the world. The Moon IS occupied and going by proof I got, whoever is up there doesn't want us up there. I will attach photo and see how long this post lasts ;-) n.b. This is not new news, they've been there for years.
The Space Shuttle pretty well jumped right up there too. It was the old Saturn 5 launches that seemed to hang there forever before really getting up some steam. Congrats to SpaceX on a successful launch.
My opinion is aliens want nothing to do with Earth. They've classified us as "Industrialized Barbarians" and violent aggressors. We can't be trusted with their advanced technology, so Earth is under embargo. Of course, the Meddling Greys, as they are known, do sneak down here once in a while to mess things up...
Real space travel won't be possible until chemical rockets are considered as obsolete as buggy whips! Where's Tom Swift when we need him?
Your "proof" has been noticed. Be expecting a visit from the moonlings.
..having some misgivings about the Starship project. Just the look of it sort of reminds me of the old television series Salvage One. There just seems to be something "cheap" about it and not in a good sense of the term. How many failures now with the worse being the explosion the other day of SN4. Meanwhile the completed portion of the SN6 body nearly crumpled in high winds while being moved (there is still a serious dent in it). Compared to the Falcon series, this looks like a "backyard" operation, sort of like strapping a rocket engine to a metal farm silo.
...apparently the Selenites figured out how to manufacture Cavorite.
Somehow I never pictured Elon Musk as Delos D. Harriman ...
Okay :-)
The ones I've seen of so far, well you know even I had a hard time believing what I AND the camera were seeing. They come in different heights, some appear to be VERY tall, I mean VERY. And about 3 to 6 at most could ride around in the usual sized pods that travel from there to Earth and back. The pods open up along the middle on the horizonal, like a lid of an eggshell. Sadly our cameras can only pick up too little of the details, all figures appear to be entirely black or white. So if any of them show up to visit me, I'm pretty sure that everybody that wants to, will see them too :-)
One of the black puff ships rather suddenly appeared over a local building one day and the 'pilot' {I guess} asked me a question and then it puffed off and away. It was not as long as the building with its hall. It seems to take on average, about 10-20 minutes for a vessel to travel from the Moon to the Earth and vice versa. They use what I think you call a jump gate or portal. Seems to be at least one, if not more, located in the skies over Ottawa. The people on the Moon are great telepaths which makes sense. Hard to lay down telephone wires through space lol ...
Yeah, that's been my developed opinion. Oak tree mechanics. Images of rockets out of a child's book. Too much hype, too little engineering. If they keep it up they might learn enough to get above the clouds. Either that, or run out of money. But even if they succeed I would not be signing up to be the first passenger. The Falcons on the otherhand are proper rockets. And the recovery of the 1st stages is very impressive. However, this Starship thing is a pipedream. But I so wanted to believe in it.
Although, I've told the story here before, when I started college in 1966 at Florida Institute of Technology in Melbourne, Florida 40 miles south of the Space Center our orientation night was an evening gathering on the grass in the quadrangle to watch projected movie films of early Cape Canaveral rocket failures. The college was founded and taught by engineers from the Cape. And the admonition was, "you're here to learn to not repeat these mistakes".
...I can think of one aerospace company that should take up that mantra.. .
Private places generally do everything as cheap as possible with as few "extras" and as little effort as they can. Money is the main target after all, so "cheap and good enough" is always good enough.
It's pretty much exactly like working in an operating theater in a public vs private hospital (i'm temporarily having this insight right now due to hospital temporarily shifting cases and staff to private places). The waiting room and everything the concious patients see is a bit nicer in a private place, and the staff bring more refeshments. However, in the back rooms it's cheap rubbish equipment and rushing through everything. The emergency team consists of a designated ambulence phoning guy.
It's pretty easy to see how there could be parrallels.
I am more inclined to accept undocumented top secret occupancy of the moon than the rot some people even in my own family spout that the first space mission was staged, SIL still believes they never went to the moon
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Considering we cannot locate missing aircraft on Earth and the number of payloads sent up for satellites it is quite plausible some unmanned activity at the very least is ongoing on the far side of the moon though given the sheer number of telescopes and radio listeners trained there by enthusiasts it would need to be pretty high tech and most likely the superpowers namely America and the Soviets involved.
I agree but I think we have some "space" engines. Things have been silent for a bit but a few years ago the tested both an ion drive and solar sails, and there is still the impossible engine rumors. Also, what about those drone ships with five year missions that just landed last week.
Actually, the government most often gives the contracts to the lowest bidder. They're less likely to be concerned about quality than a private business too - since they don't have to worry about backlash from customers or shareholders.
Oh good, I'm not the only one thinking that...
The fascinating aspect here is that astronaut survival has become an absolute requirement now that private industry is doing the work. NASA didn't want to spend the money back when they were the only game in town.
..however I'd take an old Boeing 707 any day over much of what we have today. Yeah noisy, smoky, and not as fuel efficient, but even the civilian version designed and built to military specs which made it one heck of a durable aeroplane. Crikey one had an engine explosion after departing San Francisco in the 1960s, losing about a third of the right wing and landed safely at Travis AFB.