Horsin' Around
mavante
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By "horsin' around," I mean in practical, not veterinary, terms, what are the differences between the Daz Millennium Horse and Daz Horse 2? (For bonus points, ditto between those and the Hivewire Horse.)
There are carriages and sleighs and tack and things that say they are for the Millennium Horse, but will they work equally well with Horse 2 (or "that other" horse)?
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They're all different figures, their shape, rigging and textures are different. Millennium Horse is a very old figure using parametric rigging, both Horse 2 and Harry the Horse are weight mapped figures, for example.
Items made for the Millennium Horse won't work for any of the other horses "as is"
You can probably manage to use things like carriages and sleighs with other horses with a bit of fiddling though, at least for still images.
The poses to fit those things to their compatible horses won't work on the non-compatible house. I'll/you'll need to manually scale, position, and parent, posibly using dForce on some portions of the product (not the horse) to get a better fit.
There is also the Charger horse.
Thanks for the info. That's what I was afraid would be the case.
The centaurs are based on the DAZ Horse 2, so they can share textures, breeds, and props. Nothing like a shetland centaur wearing a western saddle!
Edit: Sorry, I was wrong. Centaurs have the breeds in the Shaping tab and can use Horse 2 tail textures. To use the saddles, you need to load them unparented, position and resize them, then parent them to the centaur.
Just to be ornry, there are even more horses out there, although these days you aren't as likely to be stumbling over products made for them.
But there are still a number of freebies for the old Poser Horse, and a 3rd-pary developer had an AdHorse some years back. There may be others as well (like the DAZ Charger, which, I am pretty sure predates the MilHorse.
Buyt, yeah. The MilHorse was widely supported and there are a lot of things for it. It used legacy rigging, so could be used in Poser or Studio without issues. The DAZ Horse2 is Studio only and the Hivewire Horse comes in both Poser and Studio versions. (Buying either means you can download either, or both.)
I just want to hook some nag up to a winter sleigh for a short animation, but the only such sleigh in the store requires the Millenium Horse (and even that Vintage Sleigh has the ominous message "Tested in Poser only"), and of course I have Horse 2 and not Millenium Horse, so my sleigh plan has gone off a cliff, and I'm slayed.
Perhaps I should just decide to have my romantic couple ride a T-Rex with a saddle, an armored dragon, a centaur, or a space ship through the glistening winter countryside. Then I would have no problem filling my needs in the Daz store. Sheeeeeeeeesh ...
Sadly, there does seem to be a lack of tack, etc made for the Daz Horse 2. There are two saddle packs, both of which use the same bridle...and there are a few older barding sets. These are all 3DL and require some work to get them looking good in Iray...and the older barding sets are...a bit sparse. There is the newer Dark Knight set that has a nice saddle and bridle. But in terms of wagons, farm gear, or a sleigh? Nada. I'd say you could try for a sleigh or wagon model from a 3D stock site, but even then you wouldn't have the proper tack to go with it.
What I *really* want is a nice medieval-ish tack set. Not barding. But just tack. Bridles haven't changed much over the centuries, but the detail work of the couple bridles we have is really simplistic...so something more ornate (tassels and whatnot). And I really would love to see a saddle set that comes with a breast strap. I'm not sure why DH2 never got much love. After the Dark Knight HD detailing updates, and with some improved textures, it really is/can be a beautiful horse.
There's a lack of really usable harness tack for *all* of the horses. A reasonable number of saddles, and quite a bit of battle armor, but hitching a horse to a vehicle is an exercise in frustration. (Tested only in Poser is a non-issue in content that old. That used legacy rigging which was the same in both programs. The warning was probably to do with materials.)
About the best harness I've found is the one that comes with Riverthorn's Gypsy Wagon over at Hivewire, and it's for the Hivewire horse. But to use it with any other vehicle might require going at the wagon with the geometry editor to get the traces as well as the harness. (They may be a matt zone and you can just turn the rest off, but a sleigh rides lower than a wagon, so you'll still have to cobble things together.)
And at that, the reins are barely long enough to reach the driver. I rather suspect that it has always been assumed that reins would be added in postwork. But that won't do for animation.
I have used both Daz Horse 2 and Hivewire Horse. Both of them are really nice, although I like the mane, tail and feathers on the HW horse, aka "Harry." I haven't tried the strand based hair for DH2 yet, it looks really nice. The tail and feathers for MAXX Centaur are fibermesh and you need a good video card or it will slow your viewport.
As far as tack is concerned, Harry does have a tack converter which makes more items available. What's really hard to find are harnesses for the coaches. For DH2, you could use the harnesses from either the Horse Drawn Carriage or the Chariot and try to fit it to coaches and buggies. I haven't tried converting Mellinium tack with Hivewire's tack converter for coaches and buggies yet.
https://www.daz3d.com/horse-drawn-carriage-for-daz-horse-2
All my attempts at fitting Horse 2 props to a centaur have resulted in disaster.
Ditto. I bought the Maxx Centaur specifically for the feather and after lots of frustration gave up. If someone has figured out the wizardry involved in fitting props, etc between the two figures, I'd love to know.
The Medieval Wagon by Merlin Studios has a bridle and harness for the Horse 2.
https://www.daz3d.com/medieval-wagon
If you like Samurai styling, there is Kibamusha for G2M and Horse 2
I made myself clones for the Genesis 3 centaurs, not even loaded the 8 ones yet
https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/195001/edited-title-centaur-clothing-and-clone-issues
but my clones only help size and shape the stuff as you can read, nobody was interested in that discussion back then so I never found out what step I was missing
So far I've had more success fitting horse props onto a dinosaur than I have with centaurs.
Cool image.
Maybe because Centaurs have human brains and refuse to have saddles and reins?
Thanks for that tip! Don't know if it can be jiggled to work with the old snow sleigh, but am going to find out. If not, I may have to exhume Millennium Horse.
If it helps, the harness in that set is what I used in the above image.
Thanks Gordig. Yes, I thought I recognized Merlin's Medieval Wagon in your image. I don't know if the connecting poles (whatever those are called) for the sleigh (see attached) can be made to match up with the connectors from the Merlin rig on Horse 2, and don't have a way of checking right now, but will later. If successful I'll be posting the results at some point.
I did buy the Hivewire Horse Racing Stack by Ken Gilliland but it doesn't mention that the tack & such included are compatible with DAZ Horse 2 or the Millenium Horse only the Hivewire Horse so I'm in for a lot of fitting and parenting. It's well worth the price I paid though.
The jockey silks I had already bought in 2016 at the DAZ 3D store but those are a SickleYield product.
I had to laugh I used the same hair as Wendy on my G3 Centuar with the DAZ Horse2 western saddle ,took a bit of fiddling to fit but it did
looks good
I was just curious is all those old poser animals (aka milhorse) are lower res and can effectively used for background creatures?