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Unless talking about 70+ years old cabins in the woods, the mains here in Finland is usually 3-phase 400 volts/25 amps, which is then divided into different circuits for household use through 16 or 10 amp fuses at 240 volts. Even those old cabins have 1-phase 240 volts/16 amps.
Volts x Amps = Watts, ie. you get double the watts with 240 volts, using the same fuse size.
I have a 50 year old USA house, just before the national building codes changed that would of made this house be in such better shape 50 years later, and I don't even have but 3 3 prong grounded electrical outlets in the entire house and for some rooms I actually have to cut power to the entire house to work on a circuit in that room (not that I plan on doing more than minimal upgrades on a house that the county PVA is ever going to rate higher than a C from it's current D+). The house my dad had built in 1972 (apparently in those days a 4 bedroom split level would cost you $24K and change then) still looks new while the used house I bought built just 2 years earlier looks like it was build 100 years ago instead so those building code and building material changes were very important. Also, much like desktop PCs nowadays, houses started being built largely prefab sections put together on site which make a use difference in durability and quality.
Lucky the desktop I build last winter and the new laptop I was given are using 7 nm/12 nm CPU circuits/GPU circuits and so power usage isn't even what a single old fashion 1500W infrared filament space heater would use for the two together. I did have to buy 2 pong to 3 prong plug adaptors until I get around to replacing all the electrical outlets in this house with GFI electrical outlets (built-in circuit breaker extention cords are essentionally the same thing if you want to save work and messing with electrical wiring). I'd call a professional electrictician to do the job but they've been all put on government contracts to sit around all day and drink coffee at pay rates so abnormally high no normal person can scrape up enough cash to get them out of their chairs to even answer their business phones. That's a lot of cash that they won't even answer their phones or return calls. Plumbers around here are the same way. I had to call every plumbing business in town before I convinced one to come out here for "only $800 for 4 hours work".
@nonesuch00
That's the boat I'm in too. While I do have 3 pronged outlets, the companies that made a lot of the stuff used in this house no longer exist. There are some 'knock off' aftermarket parts, but yeah shopping for parts for things is a real challenge. Just went through that issue recently with a pair of leaky faucets... the 'knock off' parts I eventually tracked down via a 'professional' plumber supply dealer were close enough fortunately, but not exact matches of course.
My breaker box falls into that category. There may be an 'aftermarket' knock off of the breaker design I'm sure, but that'd involve disabling a circuit long enough to take one of the breakers to the local contractor electrical supply vendor to see what we could figure out. I'm not about to replace the entire breaker box, and then there's the issue of having to upgrade to current code if any significant electrical work gets done. There are other issues as well, but short form, yeah can't afford that right now/not doing that.
At least it's 220 into the box, with 2 110V rails that combine to 220 for things like the dryer and furnace... I'll cross the 'upgrade to current code standards' bridge when I absolutely have to (hopefully never, that gets expensive), until then, workarounds!
Haha, I actually have a seperate breaker box, whoops, fuse box, just for the hot water heater that still uses the screw in fuses! Lucky everything else but the hot water heater is an ancient flip light switch style breaker box.
...64 cores, 128 threads, 8 channel memory that supports up to 2TB. With with AweSurface for 3DL, that bus stop scene I did a couple years ago would be fully rendered by the time I lifted my hand from the trackball.
The old furnace in this house had those screw in fuses. I remember those! The furnace eventually died and got replaced, but the replacement unit died within about 10 years, requiring an expensive repair/replacment of parts. Just another instance of 'they don't build 'em like they used to'.
Call me a luddite, but I have no desire for such things as computer controlled lighting, etc. Leviton toggle switches are plenty advanced for my tastes!
As for my computer hardware, yeah I like to stay close to up to date at least, 'cuz I do work on my computer, and I had the same attitude when doing the live music thing, but that 'smart house' stuff is just frills, not a necessity.
Thanks for the trip down memory lane! We probably should be discussing Threadrippers more and ancient buldings less though...
Keeping my fingers crossed for a 16 core option for 7nm Threadripper for us 'regular types'.
Also, we should find out next week if Desktop Renoir will see separate chips in the regular retail channel immediately or fairly soon (in the coming months) or if we will be stuck with 'OEM only' for the time being. A mini PC Renoir or two have already been announced or spoiled, so we know they are coming, and several B550 boards have Renoir incorporated into their product manuals already. Like the Asrock B550 Taichi for instance...
https://download.asrock.com/Manual/B550 Taichi.pdf
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-will-be-first-to-release-mini-PCs-with-AMD-Ryzen-4000-Renoir-APUs-this-summer.476559.0.html
I've been wanting an 8 core Renoir for a separate build, but that's a topic for another time...
@Kyotokid,
I gave the 3990WX some serious thought, but even with the fairly recent price drop that's just too rich for my blood. If I was doing the 3Delight thing I'd be singing a different tune, but I'm too indoctrinated by the Iray Kool Aid at this point...
I'm buying the AMD Ryzen 9 3950X (16 cores / 32 threads / Zen 2 Generation 3) or better as soon as one of them drops below $500. I have a B450 AMD Ryzen Gen 2 motherboard (released originally for Zen+ but a BIOS upgrade made it able to handle the Ryzen 9 3950X CPUs).
I will say that being able to tell HAL to turn on the lights is nice. It only scares the occasional person. The bonus is the shower is set to my exact preference, and my wife has hers. No more fiddling every time. I Just say "HAL Ken Shower" But I coded the setup using some Raspberry Pi's. Nothing is recording my conversations and sending it to Bezos or anyone else or taking pics of what goes on in the shower.
Back on the TR Pro no one but Lenovo has announced anything. Which is pretty aggravating. The model they've announced is no where near stratching the CPU.
A 16 core with 128 gen 4 PCIE lanes would be quite a beast for certain applications (not for iRay but as a storage box).
It was nice to see AMD reversing course on the backwards compatability thing for the 400 series motherboards. It's almost old news now, but since it took AMD and it's partners so long to bring B550 to the market, they would have left a lot of people hanging otherwise. This applies more to the upcoming Vermeer processors of course. Current speculation is pointing to a 10-15% increase with Vermeer overall, with 20% or more in some cases for the Vermeer processors, but of course until the independent benchmarks are published grain of salt and all that. Vermeer is already at B0 stepping, and doesn't seem to be hitting any snags according to reports, so that's promising.
That being said, the 3950X did take a while longer to come out once the other 3000 series Ryzens hit the market. If the 4000 series follows the same pattern, no sense waiting on a 16 core 4000 series. Besides, the silcion scalpers will probably buy up all available supply anyways and sell them at a huge markup, so it'd be an even longer wait unless you are lucky or don't mind paying significantly over MSRP.
Milan also seems to be on track for late 2020/early 2021, but those will probably be hoovered up by the usual 'mega server' suspects like Google, Amazon, etc... like Rome was. 'Lesser' customers might not see those until mid year again, similar to what happened with Rome. That's relevant as Threadripper and EPYC go hand in hand development wise, as they use mostly the same slicion on slightly different packages. AMD could surprise us, of course, but as I remember 7nm Threadripper trailed 7nm Ryzen by around 4 months, as did the 3950X.
7nm Ryzen was 7/7/2019, so I wonder if AMD will pick a similarly significant date for Vermeer. The '7's were a play on 7nm, so 9/9 doesn't really fit that thought, and that seems a little soon based on the rumormill. Not sure what other 'fun' date AMD could pick for Vermeer. Computex 2020 had been rescheduled to the end of September, but of course it is now cancelled.
CES in January is curently still 'on' but we are beginning to hear rumblings of a few manufacturers cosidering taking a 'pass' on the event due to the 'new normal'. Others, like the automotive industry, are currently pinning higher hopes for CES as some of the other events that relate to them have been cancelled recently. Hence, CES may be the next big showcase event to show off their wares. A lot can happen in six months, so it should be an interesting ride.
As the old apparently not Chinese British curse goes, 'May you live in interesting times".
Rome went to Amazon and Google before they were validated. I could not have taken them then even if they were offered. They went into "open" sale when they were fully validated.
I still couldn't buy them due to an exclusive contract with Intel but as soon as that ended we started buying them, and I think I, and the other IT managers, have got the bosses convinced not to do that again.
AMD may have a clever way of doing this though. Deploy their new server chips in AWS and Google server farms where standard server validations are not required. What does Google care about VMWare? But that does let them get the chips out there in deployments and get all sorts of deployment info while they get the validations done, and they do have to do the validations before guys like us will touch them.
They also sent some chips out as TR to effects houses before they were available for retail, remember the hype about somebody using them to render some movie? They likely had some issues with yields in the early production and had the option of sitting onperfectly good chips while yields improvedor getting them in hands of partners who were willing to deal with early production stuff and to give them ad hype.
...yeah, after I rendered a scene in 3DL that came out with a high degree of realism, which took all of about 14 min (that in Iray CPU mode took over two and a half hours) I kind of poured the kool aid down the drain. That was on an old 6 core Xeon (LGA 1366) with DDR3 memory. Here's a version I did in an old 1960s magazine photo style.