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Genesis posing issues

shadowstar_wd_c3900d4b29shadowstar_wd_c3900d4b29 Posts: 35
edited December 1969 in The Commons

Anyone encounter the issue of using poses for genesis where the arms don't pose? I am having this problem with some pose sets, mainly Posed for V5 that came with the V5 bundle and some of the M5 pose sets that came with the M5 bundle. Everything poses fine except for the arms. This does not happen every time, and I can't figure out what is causing it or how to fix it.

Using Daz 4.0.3.47

Any clues?

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  • scorpioscorpio Posts: 8,470
    edited December 1969

    Yes I had that happen the other day, couldn't work it out myself either.

  • SpottedKittySpottedKitty Posts: 7,232
    edited December 1969

    Are you always starting from a zero-posed figure? The only time I've had weird arm poses is when I use the Up-Down Arms dial (in Pose Control, I think) and forget to zero it before applying a pose. The usual effect is to make the figure appear to be wearing an invisible straitjacket. Anything like what you're getting?

  • shadowstar_wd_c3900d4b29shadowstar_wd_c3900d4b29 Posts: 35
    edited December 1969

    Can't say I have had that effect from it. Normally the arms stay in a mostly zeroed pose. It seems like the pose effects the collar bone, but does not propagate down the rest of the bone chain.

  • KhoryKhory Posts: 3,854
    edited December 1969

    Which M5 set?

  • shadowstar_wd_c3900d4b29shadowstar_wd_c3900d4b29 Posts: 35
    edited July 2012

    Having issues with M5 Base Poses and M5 Photo Studio Poses. Those are the ones I know of off hand.

    Here is an example. I loaded a saved character that I know is doing it and reset it's pose. Then I posed it with the same pose next to a default M5. The one on the left is the freshly loaded M5. The head and arms do not get the pose instructions it seems.

    Just checked, the Easy going poses are doing it as well. Tested the basic male poses that come with DS4 and they work fine on both the new and older character. DM's poses from their last few sets are also having this issue.

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  • KhoryKhory Posts: 3,854
    edited December 1969

    So I can come out of panic mode that it was my set.. I think I have the others so I will check them as soon as I finish this promo. The DM set from the last set with the pool? V5 set? Or one with M5?

  • shadowstar_wd_c3900d4b29shadowstar_wd_c3900d4b29 Posts: 35
    edited December 1969

    Dm's Zahirs Place, DM's Circle and DM's Prompt Fantasy.

  • SkirikiSkiriki Posts: 4,976
    edited July 2012

    Huh! Now I wish that my render would stop already so I can check out if this was what locked my Genesis as well, since I used one of the Easy-Going poses for my figure and it stopped responding to stuff. Yeah, I could run a second instance, but since this is a big big render, I don't want a chance that it'll crash...


    Hey OP -- can you tell me if you're experiencing this as well?

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  • shadowstar_wd_c3900d4b29shadowstar_wd_c3900d4b29 Posts: 35
    edited December 1969

    Can't say that I have experienced that specific issue before. Sorry. :ohh:

  • SkirikiSkiriki Posts: 4,976
    edited December 1969

    Okay, I'll just check if that was it after the render is done, because it might be related. On the other hand... this looks like one of those 20 hour renders due to overabundance of light sources, ubersurfaces, uber light areas and reflective surfaces and transparencies...

  • shadowstar_wd_c3900d4b29shadowstar_wd_c3900d4b29 Posts: 35
    edited December 1969

    Oh I know long render times. I render with Reality/Lux only. 20 hours is a good render time :D

  • KhoryKhory Posts: 3,854
    edited December 1969

    I get it as well if there are already translations (up down etc) applied to the figure. It may be a thing with .dsf files not over writing the information but adding to it. I think the only thing to do is be sure to 0 the figure before you start to try poses. .dsf files are the suggested file type because they can be used in carrara by the way. So the sets are more flexible.

  • shadowstar_wd_c3900d4b29shadowstar_wd_c3900d4b29 Posts: 35
    edited December 1969

    I have tried zeroing the figure before posing and it doesn't do anything to fix the issue. I am really stumped on this issue and most of my pose sets for genesis are effected by it. Anyone else have any ideas on the cause or a fix for this?

  • KhoryKhory Posts: 3,854
    edited December 1969

    Not sure what to tell you. "Restore figure pose" worked for me and as SpottedKitty said it only seems to happen if I have moved the arms with up down etc in the pose folder.

  • shadowstar_wd_c3900d4b29shadowstar_wd_c3900d4b29 Posts: 35
    edited December 1969

    Im not sure what to say about it either. My issue is that it is with some pose sets and not others. This means it has to be something with how the poses are saved when being made.

  • KhoryKhory Posts: 3,854
    edited December 1969

    I think it is the .dsf files that are an issue for you. You could resave the files as .dsa files.

  • chsmo69chsmo69 Posts: 29
    edited December 1969

    Had this problem too. Though it may not be the solution for you, I discovered it was caused by an item being parented to the head. When I removed the hair, all was fine. Can't remember which hair piece was causing it, but every time I parented it, the arms refused to pose.

    Your image suggests this isn't the case, but somebody might find it helpful.

  • shadowstar_wd_c3900d4b29shadowstar_wd_c3900d4b29 Posts: 35
    edited July 2012

    This was the issue. The image above still had all the items parented to the model that wasn't working. I had just hidden them to make the picture. It wasn't the hair though that was doing it, removing that and the other head parented item didn't fix it, it was an item parented to the pelvis that was the culprit. Once I unparented it, the figure posed perfectly fine. Even reparenting it afterwards still allowed it to work.


    No idea why parented items are doing this, but at least now I know if i have the issue to unparent all items and reparent them to get it working again.

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  • KhoryKhory Posts: 3,854
    edited December 1969

    What item was it?

  • shadowstar_wd_c3900d4b29shadowstar_wd_c3900d4b29 Posts: 35
    edited December 1969

    The item that was causing it on that particular character was a freebie loin cloth from AlfaSeed that they put up on their DeviantArt page. Other characters have the same issue that I have never used that item on, but have hair parented or other props like earrings.

  • KhoryKhory Posts: 3,854
    edited December 1969

    I was wondering if it had anything to do with how props got parented in DS for genesis.

  • SkirikiSkiriki Posts: 4,976
    edited July 2012

    I'm going to double-check if I had something parented to Genesis in my case, although I doubt that.


    Edit: checked, and nope. Removing everything but the frozen figure followed by save-and-reopen did not unfreeze it either.

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  • KhoryKhory Posts: 3,854
    edited December 1969

    I know that the pose controls make it happen. But if "restore figure pose" is used that clears those. Sounds like only the parenting issue is unfix-able with the restore.

  • SaiyanessSaiyaness Posts: 715
    edited December 1969

    chsmo said:
    Had this problem too. Though it may not be the solution for you, I discovered it was caused by an item being parented to the head. When I removed the hair, all was fine. Can't remember which hair piece was causing it, but every time I parented it, the arms refused to pose.

    Your image suggests this isn't the case, but somebody might find it helpful.

    Weird! That fixed it! I did a forum search looking for posing issues with Genesis 2 and voila! That was it! I wouldn't have found it otherwise. Thankyou!!

  • jade monkeyjade monkey Posts: 111
    edited December 1969

    huh, i've been having this same problem with several pose sets -- nothing i tried seemed to fix it! but i use gen 4 hairs quite often, parented to the head, so maybe that's it? i'm away from my daz computer at the moment, but i will definitely check this later!
    thanks for the tips!

  • scorpioscorpio Posts: 8,470
    edited December 1969

    I don't know what it is, parenting hair to the head doesn't always trigger this, I had it happen the other day had to use a fit to hair. But I used the same hair and parented it on another figure another day and it was fine.

  • SaiyanessSaiyaness Posts: 715
    edited December 1969

    It's a weird issue. Had I not found the solution, I would have been stumped! I was using the ponytail from the Stalker Girl Hair for Genesis parented to Genesis 2 Female's head as fitting it to the figure caused it to lose its morphs...not sure if that had anything to do with it!! But yeah - arms didn't want to pose using presets. I THINK that was only after I had manually tweaked an arm though.

  • MattymanxMattymanx Posts: 6,949
    edited December 1969

    I have never run into this myself using Genesis or G2F yet. I know when you save a pose that you do not want to have any parented items selected. Its ok to have them on the figure still but you just dont want to have them selected.


    I wonder if those who can recreate this can list exactly what they did to get it (as in items used, including pose packs) and also list their DS version and OS.

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