Will Nvidia discount Titan RTX upon AMPERE release?
mwasielewski1990
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So, as the topic says!
Do you people think nvidia might discount their Turing Titan RTX upon the release of the new Ampere architecture?
Reason I'm asking is I highly dobut it I will buy any Ampere card right after release because I don't want to wait until DAZ and IRAY are updated enough to use the new cards (last RTX generation was ... 6 months wait until DAZ rolled a stable update?)
What do you guys think?
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..hard to say. Would be nice to get 24 GB of VRAM at a decent price though
Even -30% would be a blast. I would buy 2 + an NVLINK :P
...yeah I'd be happy settling for one, but yes 48 GB plus a socond set of cores would keep me happy for a very long time.
Reportedly Nvidia has already ceased production of high end RTX chips to ensure there will be no high end retail RTX cards in the channel that need to be discounted when they launch consumer Ampere.
The only hope is for AMD to launch Big Navi ahead of Nvidia. But again, the rumor mill is that RTX3xxx will launch before Big Navi. Sigh....
Edit: tech sites are reporting that hght end RTX2xxx cards are already out of stock on many e-retail sites.
Yea, the scarcity now will kinda keep the prices much the same.. and personally the 3000 series wont be cheaper. Seen a few 'cheapish' Titans on Ebay..but again, nothing major
Lack of competition sucks. Unlike CPU, Nvidia and AMD are too comfortable with their respective consumer GPU market shares. AMD lets Nvidia raise $-performance for each genration and apply just enough discount to retain its market share, and each reports record profits. This is oligopoly not duopoly. Intel doesn't play price disrupters and Huawei has been taken out of the game before it even can get in now Trump has shut down its access to cutting edge foundry.
Nvidia never discounts previous gen cards. As stocks get short prices go up in the market.
Nvidia got pretty heavy backlash on the RTX pricing and based on the numbers they released 2080ti sales were far lower than 1080ti's. So it would not be surprising if Nvidia either brought the prices down for Ampere or did something to make the price seem more reasonable (presumably more VRAM) but until announcements are made and real 3rd party reviews come in we won't know.
There's an article on just this topic here. Perhaps September for Ampere they're saying now.
If what ther're saying is true about the 3000 series, and the NIVIDA people get their act together with Iray, it will mean my current renders on a RTX 2080 of say 25 minutes will drop to about 8-10 minutes if I'm prepared to shell out for a high end 3000 RTX, and from over an hour with my old GTX960 I had last year to that 8-10 minutes. Fortunately I'm in a position money-wise to do that. And even though I'm just a hobbist I no longer have the patience at my age to wait around for long renders. So if the assumptions about Ampere become a reality I'd be grabbing a one of these new things pretty fast.
I don't think Nvidia will discount anything, they'll be similar if higher prices IMO. Though their unit sales were lower than Pascal generation, their actual revenue was quite high due to the prices, their margins and lack of real competition.
We don't know, we don't yet know how long we will have to wait for Iray to support the new cards at all.
That's the 2080 Ti + the 2080+70 and their SUPER versions. TITAN RTX wasn't included in that (which makes sense, given that's a different buyer anyway) and is still very much available to buy.
This thread does make me now consider just grabbing a second TITAN RTX instead of waiting for the newer ones (I forgot that DAZ didn't update for RTX for some time last time). Of course, that may not be the case with this release, but still.
Those Ampere cards look totally impressive. DROOL
I would love to upgrade to a new 64 core 6.0Ghz super computer with 2 new 3x gpu's. ' But given what is going on in the world today and my budget shrinking extremely due my hours being cut in the last couple of months.. I doubt I will be purchasing any new hardware or a new computer for a while, unless I have to replace something to keep my old system I have working . I just do not have that kind of disposable income at this time, keeping the lights on seems more important at this time.
But digital tends is estimating the price of the to be competitive to the 2080's. Hopefully that rumors pans out to be true. https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/nvidia-rtx-3080-rumors-news-release-date-performance/
Thankfully I'm still loving my 2- 1080ti's with daz 4.12.0.85 on windows 7 pro.. this combinations for now is working very well for me, I can render animations with little no issues with cpu fall off, & its been very stable set up. so that is my biggest concern for now keeping what I have running, But yes I would love to upgrade to a 3x 24 gig vram GPU
Please keep in mind the current shortage could just as easily be a covid caused kink in the supply chain. Until Nvidia makes an announcement we just don't know anything.
RTX Titans are likely still in stock, if production has ceased, simply because they don't sell as fast as the cards lower in the product chain.
That's a question you can only answer once you can compare actual results from the released product; it this instance, opinions are worthless, but could cost you a lot.
They are still available; i just checked my usual supplier and whilst nearly 200 more, they are in stock.
Your best bet is to hope for a crypto crash.
Well, in the bench test thread just one 2080ti is already pushing very close to the speed of two 1080tis. That was a topic of debate when the 2080ti came out. So if Ampere is going to be faster than the 2080ti, which should be a given, then you can estimate a guess on this already.
Keep in mind that any "the 3080 is X% faster than a 2080ti" rumors all compare GAMING performance. Iray is not like gaming. In fact, Iray is one of the things that benefited the most from ray tracing cores. All rumors point to a big gain in ray tracing performance, anywhere from 2x to 4x the ray tracing performance of Turing. If that is true, even the "lower" end of that would translate to a very large performance upgrade over Turing for Iray.
While Turing cards may be out of stock, the fact is they will be obsolete when Ampere launches. I expect the demand for them to drop a lot, at least in the second hand market. However, I do believe that the Titan RTX will be an exception to that because of its 24GB VRAM and that it can Nvlink. If I owned a Titan RTX, I would be thinking of buying a second one for Nvlink rather than getting Ampere. So when you consider that people may be looking to do that, it would likely keep the cost of the Titan RTX high.
The lower ends SKUs will tumble like a stone, to a degree. I think the 2060 and its Super variant may get cheaper but not THAT much cheaper. And that is because what is below a 2060? Not much. The jump from a 1660ti to a 2060 is steep, and that could pose a problem. It is going to depend a lot on where the competition is.
Now for a word on Ampere getting support for Iray. In the documentation for OptiX Prime, you will find some notes about why it took so long to support new architectures. OptiX Prime was not the full OptiX, they are different things. OptiX Prime needed to be recompiled for every new GPU arch, and this meant they had to do a lot of work every generation to get new cards to function. But aha...the new Iray RTX ditched OptiX Prime and now uses the full OptiX 6.0. This means that they no longer need to recompile for Ampere, which means we should not have to wait forever for support. I feel pretty confident that Ampere will work with Iray RTX on day 1 because of this.
I would not take it to the bank just yet, but I believe it will be fine.
Either way I have two 1080tis, so if Ampere for some reason doesn't support Iray I can still just use one and use Ampere for games until it happens. Either way I don't think it is going to be a 6 month long wait. Still, I think all that will be needed is a driver update, Daz and Iray wont need to do a thing.
And BTW, Iray did work with Turing at launch with the Daz beta, just not the ray tracing. And even without the ray tracing cores the performance was impressive. The wait for full RTX support was long because they had to completely overhaul Iray in order to make it work with RTX. That is why OptiX Prime is gone. That had to get rid of Prime and replace it with OptiX 6.0, and that took time. That step will not be necessary this time around.
Are there any even passingly credible indications about whether or not Ampere will have an equivalent to the Titan RTX? When was the Titan RTX released relative to the main 20xx line?
Titan cards tend to come out months after the main line up. 2080ti came out in late Sept. 2018. RTX Titan came out the week before Xmas 2018 (no idea if any were actually for sale but that is the release date)
Pascal was all over the place. The first Pascal Titan came out before the 1080ti but it took nearly a year(IIRC) for the 1080ti to launch after th 1080. The second Pascal Titan launched just weeks after the 1080ti. There were many complaints.
Nvidia will certainly launch a flagship consumer card. Whether they will call it a 3080, 3080ti or 3090 is anybody's guess. I'm also reasonably certain they'll also launch a prosumer card. will they again call that Titan? No idea. But why mess with branding that works? Yeah I know Nvidia.
...interesting in that the Titan RTX is basically similar to the 6000 RTX, in just about ever respect save for the cost. This was the same situation back in the early Maxwell days when both the Titan-X and 6000M had 12 GB. The one difference was the drivers, as the Titan still used those from the GTX line, but base performance and specifications were very similar to one another which prompted some pros to opt for the less expensive Titan-X (999$) over the 5,000$ Quadro Nvida later doubled the VRAM of the 6000M to 24 GB, but kept the price the same.
The introductory price for an RTX Quadro 6000 was 6,300$ but Newegg has priced them at 4,099.99$ and Nvidia dropped the price for direct sales to 4,000$ while the RTX Titan still lists for 2,499.99$.at most vendors (including Nvida).
The big difference is the 6000 is validated for the SW that professional users care about. Workstation OEM's would never put a Titan in a system and we'd never put a Titan in a sever rack unless a customer specifically asked for it, and I've never had one ask for it.
Companies spending the kind of money these systems cost want the security of knowing it will work with the software they intend to use it for. You and I may know with 99+% certainty it will work fine with the Titan but the Quadro has the validation saying that if there is any issue that Nvidia and the software company's engineers will be all over fixing the issue, there might even be a downtime guarantee in some cases.
...interesting though that in both cases, Nvida didn't raise the price of the 6000M after the VRAM boost, and dropped price for the RTX 6000 by 2,300$.
They dropped the price of the whole RTX Quadro lineup. Even in the enterprise worl those launch prices were crazy.
....yeah wasn't the RTX 8000 originally something like 10,000$?
Yes. IIRC they cut the entire lineup in half because they had apparently lost their minds when they launched them. Even our customers who generally don't blink at the prices we quote weren't buying them at the original prices.